Congress wants to cut JWST

On Jul 6, 8:41*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
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On Jul 6, 5:03 pm, "Jonathan" wrote:

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http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1107/06jwst/

The republican house isn't in a position to dictate policy.
But their brain farts keep stinking up the joint.

If you want to see really stinky politics, Florida
has to be at near the top of the list. Sometimes
I just can't believe what they get away with.

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That's true. Florida is a rogue nation of GOP/ZNR rednecks.

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On Jul 6, 5:03 pm, "Jonathan" wrote:



If you want to see really stinky politics, Florida
has to be at near the top of the list. Sometimes
I just can't believe what they get away with.


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That's true. Florida is a rogue nation of GOP/ZNR rednecks.


And come to think of it, the following train of events show
the depths of political and economic depravity of South Florida
in particular.

The Everglades in South Florida created a limited amount
of land for new construction. And that shortage started
a quick escalation of home prices. As it heated up, all kinds
of crooked ideas for mortgages sprang up. People started
'day trading' mortgages down here. It spread and got out of
control. Leading to perhaps the greatest economic blunder
of all time. The massive rescue bill of the banking and
mortgage industries.

Which resulted in the collapse of the stock market. A long
national recession, and world-wide depression follows, that'll
probably last another five years or so.

Really, in all honesty, the US should invade ...South Florida
if we wish to maintain peace and prosperity for all.



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"bob haller" wrote in message news:32457e27-8398-40e2-
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http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1107/06jwst/

And rightly so! After Hubble's later success NASA wanted to out-do
Hubble with something grand and came up with something monstrous. JWST
is too complex and therefore wildly expensive to build. Being located
at L1 the thing would have to work perfectly first time around and
that's going to be a challenge with so many moving parts. How far along
with development are they anyway? About a third? Except for a few
mirrors I haven't seen much. And if something snags we'll have a $10
billion turkey on our hands. I thought the Europeans were crazy flying
two telescopes on a single Ariane 5 to L1, but those didn't have
complex mechanisms to deploy.

Why didn't they just build another Hubble, bigger and better, but
serviceable robotically with replaceable batteries and reaction wheels
or something? How big a telescope can one fit inside a Atlas V or
Falcon Heavy anyway? Surely something Hubble-sized would fit, right?

On 7/7/2011 10:15 AM, Anne Onime wrote:
I thought the Europeans were crazy flying
two telescopes on a single Ariane 5 to L1, but those didn't have
complex mechanisms to deploy.

Why didn't they just build another Hubble, bigger and better, but
serviceable robotically with replaceable batteries and reaction wheels
or something? How big a telescope can one fit inside a Atlas V or
Falcon Heavy anyway? Surely something Hubble-sized would fit, right?

I keep wondering if the fact that the JWST was to be launched on a
Ariane V is playing any part in it maybe getting axed?

Pat

Pat Flannery wrote:
On 7/7/2011 10:15 AM, Anne Onime wrote:
I thought the Europeans were crazy flying
two telescopes on a single Ariane 5 to L1, but those didn't have
complex mechanisms to deploy.

Why didn't they just build another Hubble, bigger and better, but
serviceable robotically with replaceable batteries and reaction
wheels or something? How big a telescope can one fit inside a
Atlas V or Falcon Heavy anyway? Surely something Hubble-sized
would fit, right?

I keep wondering if the fact that the JWST was to be launched on a
Ariane V is playing any part in it maybe getting axed?

Ah, but now that Elon Musk and SpaceX have announced Falcon Heavy,
and, ostensibly it has even more lifting capacity than Ariane V:

http://www.spacex.com/falcon_heavy.php

("Please disregard the different heights and inclinations within the
table." ...as in "Disregard that man behind the curtain")

NASA and Congress could double-down and launch *two* JWSTs?-)

rick jones
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On 7/7/2011 10:11 AM, Rick Jones wrote:
Pat wrote:


I keep wondering if the fact that the JWST was to be launched on a
Ariane V is playing any part in it maybe getting axed?

Ah, but now that Elon Musk and SpaceX have announced Falcon Heavy,
and, ostensibly it has even more lifting capacity than Ariane V:

Yeah, put the JWST was designed to fold and fit specifically under the
Ariane V payload shroud:
http://www.jwst.nasa.gov/images/ariane4.jpg

Pat

Le 07/07/11 20:15, Anne Onime a écrit :
"bob wrote in message news:32457e27-8398-40e2-
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http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1107/06jwst/

And rightly so!

Yes!!!

The total cost of JWST is the equivalent of two weeks
Iraq's war (6.5 billion vs around 12 billion per month for Iraq)

Now the U.S. will be able to go on spending for two weeks more!

GREAT!

The total cost is also 7% of the AIG bailout. Now the U.S.
will be able to throw a bit MORE money to those companies. THAT is
money well spent.

Stop spending in astronomy, science, etc. Who cares what lies beyond?

Astronomy has no practical significance. How many dead Iraqis
has the Hubble scope brought us?

There wasn't a single dead person because of Hubble, nothing was
destroyed. This is an unsustainable path and must be scrapped
immediately.

On Jul 7, 3:18*pm, jacob navia wrote:
Le 07/07/11 20:15, Anne Onime a crit :

"bob *wrote in message news:32457e27-8398-40e2-
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http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1107/06jwst/

And rightly so!

Yes!!!

The total cost of JWST is the equivalent of two weeks
Iraq's war (6.5 billion vs around 12 billion per month for Iraq)

Now the U.S. will be able to go on spending for two weeks more!

GREAT!

The total cost is also 7% of the AIG bailout. Now the U.S.
will be able to throw a bit MORE money to those companies. THAT is
money well spent.

Stop spending in astronomy, science, etc. Who cares what lies beyond?

Astronomy has no practical significance. How many dead Iraqis
has the Hubble scope brought us?

There wasn't a single dead person because of Hubble, nothing was
destroyed. This is an unsustainable path and must be scrapped
immediately.

truly the wars were a waste.

for the cost of the wars we could of started colonizing mars and
explored the entire planetaary system

truly the wars were a waste.

for the cost of the wars we could of started colonizing mars and
explored the entire planetaary system

The real problem with wars is - everybody knows how to get the troops on the
beach - but nobody ever seems to have an exit strategy or any idea when to
execute it.

Val
Kraut

On 7/7/2011 5:26 PM, Val Kraut wrote:
truly the wars were a waste.

for the cost of the wars we could of started colonizing mars and
explored the entire planetaary system

There's oil we can steal on Mars? :-D

Pat