Blueprint for Hydrogen Fuel Infrastructure Development Suppressed

* wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:57:22 -0500, Miles Long wrote:


Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.


Hydrogen fuel cells have been knows for decades. See first URL.


http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...sti_id=7334791

http://www.swiftenterprises.net/pub/... %20CELLS.PDF

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php





Didn't say that they weren't known, that with current technologies, it
costs more to produce hydrogen than the gains in it's use.

Miles "Still the Bottom Line" Long

* wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:57:22 -0500, Miles Long wrote:

Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.

Hydrogen fuel cells have been knows for decades. See first URL.


http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...sti_id=7334791


http://www.swiftenterprises.net/pub/...DROGEN%20PEROX
IDE%20FUEL%20CELLS.PDF

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php


There's no "free lunch"

There's no "perpetual motion" machine.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:57:22 -0500, Miles Long wrote:

Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.

Hydrogen fuel cells have been knows for decades. See first URL.


http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...sti_id=7334791

http://www.swiftenterprises.net/pub/... %20CELLS.PDF

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php

"*" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:57:22 -0500, Miles Long wrote:

Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.

Hydrogen fuel cells have been knows for decades. See first URL.

MAKING HYDROGEN IS THE PROBLEM, YOU MORON.

But it's fun destroying your pet theories.

R

http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...sti_id=7334791


http://www.swiftenterprises.net/pub/... %20CELLS.PDF

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:24:32 GMT, "Rocketman"
wrote:

[...]

MAKING HYDROGEN IS THE PROBLEM, YOU MORON.


What about this don't you understand?

http://www.alternatefuels.com/hydrogen.htm

Background /Common uses: Free hydrogen is found only in very small traces in
the atmosphere, but solar and stellar spectra show that it is abundant in
the sun and other stars, and is, in fact, the most common element in the
universe. Hydrogen is already used to produce countless products and to
enhance many industrial processes. The U.S. produces 100 billion cubic feet
per year of hydrogen for industry and for the space program. The largest
user of hydrogen is the petroleum industry for converting crude oil into
gasoline and hundreds of chemicals. Sometimes used in welding torches for
welding or cutting metals.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:24:32 GMT, "Rocketman"
wrote:

[...]

MAKING HYDROGEN IS THE PROBLEM, YOU MORON.


What about this don't you understand?

http://www.alternatefuels.com/hydrogen.htm

Background /Common uses: Free hydrogen is found only in very small traces in
the atmosphere, but solar and stellar spectra show that it is abundant in
the sun and other stars, and is, in fact, the most common element in the
universe. Hydrogen is already used to produce countless products and to
enhance many industrial processes. The U.S. produces 100 billion cubic feet
per year of hydrogen for industry and for the space program. The largest
user of hydrogen is the petroleum industry for converting crude oil into
gasoline and hundreds of chemicals. Sometimes used in welding torches for
welding or cutting metals.

"*" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:57:22 -0500, Miles Long wrote:

Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.

Hydrogen fuel cells have been knows for decades. See first URL.

MAKING HYDROGEN IS THE PROBLEM, YOU MORON.

But it's fun destroying your pet theories.

R

http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...sti_id=7334791


http://www.swiftenterprises.net/pub/... %20CELLS.PDF

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php

"Miles Long" wrote in message news:c6m6vo$8n9 The only
energy source that can fill the shoes mentioned above is wind
power. Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.

Miles "Tilting at Windmills" Long

Yes, and if you have wind generated electricity you will sell it directly to
the grid and not make hydrogen out of it. It's a matter of return on
investment. Hydrogen is a politically correct scam.
Bob

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:16:36 GMT, "Bob M." wrote:


"Miles Long" wrote in message news:c6m6vo$8n9 The only
energy source that can fill the shoes mentioned above is wind
power. Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.

Miles "Tilting at Windmills" Long

Yes, and if you have wind generated electricity you will sell it directly to
the grid and not make hydrogen out of it. It's a matter of return on
investment.

If you have a hydrogen peroxide fuel cell, you don't need to buy energy from
'the grid', which is fueled primarily by petroleum.

http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/...sek.Swift.html

Hydrogen is a politically correct scam.

The politicians are all busy taking over countries for their oil.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:16:36 GMT, "Bob M." wrote:


"Miles Long" wrote in message news:c6m6vo$8n9 The only
energy source that can fill the shoes mentioned above is wind
power. Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.

Miles "Tilting at Windmills" Long

Yes, and if you have wind generated electricity you will sell it directly to
the grid and not make hydrogen out of it. It's a matter of return on
investment.

If you have a hydrogen peroxide fuel cell, you don't need to buy energy from
'the grid', which is fueled primarily by petroleum.

http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/...sek.Swift.html

Hydrogen is a politically correct scam.

The politicians are all busy taking over countries for their oil.