Nasa Makes A Disgusting Political Decision

The answer my friend is blowin in the wind.......

March 19, 2004

"Paul Henney" wrote in message :

The answer my friend is blowin in the wind.......

Literally.

You can see it piled hundreds of meters high in the centers of some of
the larger craters. Not the small aeolian salt and sand dunes you see
everywhere water was removed from the surface strata, but the really
big dark crescent shaped dune fields in the really large craters,
presumably made out of the sub-micron fines.

That's the stuff.

Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net

On the other hand if the spherules are ubiquitous even outside the
crater will you admit that you are wrong?
See this report for analogs on Earth for the spherules:

Mysteries of Sandstone Colors and Concretions
in Colorado Plateau Canyon Country
By Marjorie A. Chan and William T. Parry
http://www.ugs.state.ut.us/online/pdf/pi-77.pdf

Especially the Introduction and Section 3.


Bob Clark

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:55:17 -0500, jonathan wrote:


This is bull**** of the highest order.

Nasa is concluding the spheres are concretions
based on absurdly limited observations. Their
evidence consists of merely that the spheres
are aligned with the layering so they must
have formed in place. And that the slash
in the spheres 'hints', as they say, it's caused
by the layering in the rocks. Plus the presence
of hematite.

What a load of bull****.
They've assumed the spheres are concretions merely
because they ruled out impact and volcanism. Not
because they proved they're concretions.

If their theory is true, that the spheres formed
in place, then the spheres must be evenly distributed
across the field. But they will find instead that the
spheres will dissipate as they travel out. That
will be the proof of their mistake. That the spheres
are associated with, and emanating from, the craters.

I can't wait to see what nonsense they come up with then.


They have clearly decided any finding of life
will wait for the next mission, so they can guarantee
a next mission. There is no doubt now.

This is a historic miscalculation.

The large Opportunity crater is certain to hold the
most exciting findings of the entire mission.
Making it there will unveil the true motive behind
Nasa now, not discovery, but their own self-serving
asses.

Nasa must now find a way to prevent Opportunity
from making it to the crater, they have to!
Or watch the entire organization become the
source of ridicule and scandal.

They just set the agency back twenty years.


Jonathan

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"Robert Clark" wrote in message
m...
On the other hand if the spherules are ubiquitous even outside the
crater will you admit that you are wrong?

It is extremely unlikely he will admit he is wrong
under any circumstances. Such is not the way of
the True Believer.

See this report for analogs on Earth for the spherules:

Mysteries of Sandstone Colors and Concretions
in Colorado Plateau Canyon Country
By Marjorie A. Chan and William T. Parry
http://www.ugs.state.ut.us/online/pdf/pi-77.pdf

Especially the Introduction and Section 3.


Bob Clark

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:55:17 -0500, jonathan wrote:

This is bull**** of the highest order.

If their theory is true, that the spheres formed
in place, then the spheres must be evenly distributed
across the field. But they will find instead that the
spheres will dissipate as they travel out.

This conflicts with your earlier false assertion that
the spherules would be found to be in a uniformly
random distribution from point source origins.
Twice I pointed out to you that releases from
point sources would form gradients with distance but
you repeatedly ignored it. Now you are attempting
to use gradients with distance to attempt to prove
a point you never made. In an earlier post you
declared that spherules would be found as far as
the eye could see. Now you reverse yourself on
that point also.
You are worse that merely a sore loser.
You have been caught lying several times now.

That will be the proof of their mistake. That the
spheres are associated with, and emanating from,
the craters.

Why do you insist the spherules are emanating from
craters?

I can't wait to see what nonsense they come up with then.

Yes you can.

They have clearly decided any finding of life
will wait for the next mission, so they can guarantee
a next mission. There is no doubt now.

You have now crossed the line into direct stupidity here.
You have just told us that there is no doubt that if
they actually found life on this mission - that there would
not even necessarily be a guarantee of a next mission.
Therefore, even if they find life they will be forced to lie
about it to continue funding for the next mission.
Are you truly out of your mind?
Do you honestly think there is "no doubt" NASA would
quit exploring Mars as soon as they discover life?
As though NASA would say "Well, we have found life.
Whew. That's that. We can all go home now. Tomorrow
we'll do something else."
Where is it written or even implied that NASA's Mars
exploration budget will be cut if life is found?
What kind of useless misdirection are you once
again attempting to foist upon the public?

.. This is a historic miscalculation.

Not remotely.

The large Opportunity crater is certain to hold the
most exciting findings of the entire mission.
Making it there will unveil the true motive behind
Nasa now, not discovery, but their own self-serving
asses.

What are your true motives here?
Attempting to save face?
Clearly not the search for truth.

Nasa must now find a way to prevent Opportunity
from making it to the crater, they have to!
Or watch the entire organization become the
source of ridicule and scandal.

You are simply too dumb to believe.

They just set the agency back twenty years.

Chuckle.
Like a spoiled child, you appear to be getting younger
and younger as you back yourself into a corner.

"Robert Clark" wrote in message
m...
On the other hand if the spherules are ubiquitous even outside the
crater will you admit that you are wrong?
See this report for analogs on Earth for the spherules:

Mysteries of Sandstone Colors and Concretions
in Colorado Plateau Canyon Country
By Marjorie A. Chan and William T. Parry
http://www.ugs.state.ut.us/online/pdf/pi-77.pdf

Especially the Introduction and Section 3.


Bob Clark


Thanks Bob, I knew I'd seen spherules somewhere and couldn't remember.

Another
Bob

Robert Flory wrote:
"Robert Clark" wrote in message
m...

On the other hand if the spherules are ubiquitous even outside the
crater will you admit that you are wrong?
See this report for analogs on Earth for the spherules:

Mysteries of Sandstone Colors and Concretions
in Colorado Plateau Canyon Country
By Marjorie A. Chan and William T. Parry
http://www.ugs.state.ut.us/online/pdf/pi-77.pdf

Especially the Introduction and Section 3.


Bob Clark



Thanks Bob, I knew I'd seen spherules somewhere and couldn't remember.

Another
Bob

Bob F.,
Hi there. Did you see the hematite spherulites I posted about a
month ago about 2/15? http://members.socket.net/~joschaper/erthrock.jpg

The two in-situ spherulite rocks are in a basaltic ashfall, circa 1.4 Ga
in age. The spherulites themselves are iron--probably hematite, not
magnetite, tho there is magnetite around also. Genesis supposedly as a
secondary hydrothermal infilling of gas vesicles. about 2-5 mm in size,
and despite Missour humidity, they haven't rusted that much.

In contrast, Rock 3 contains lithophysae, or lapilli, or whatever you
want to call
them in a banded rhyolite from nearby. The spherulites are slightly
darker than the ashy/crumbly matrix in photos 1 and 3.

No one seems to have paid much attention to them, save Paul Y.

best regards,
Jo

In article , OhBrother
wrote:

However, since mars is really a battle planet, those little balls are actually
lead shot left from the last big martian war in which the warring tribes,
expelled from the hollow planet spent hundreds of generations of making
crude weapons of destruction (such as the lead shot) only to discover
there are no saltpeter and carbon veins to use for gunpowder. Why didn't
NASA know that?

They know about them. Richard C. Hoagland spotted the remains of one
of these battlefields strewn with tanks and howitzers at the Pathfinder
landing site, before the evil NASA conspirators squashed the evidence.

By now, of course, you think I'm kidding:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/pasadena2.html

(make sure you go all the way to the end of the page)


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"jonathan" wrote in message
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The actual evidence doesn't agree with your inane little guesswork theory,
so it must be a NASA conspiracy? Gee, who could have seen that one coming?
rolls eyes

"jonathan" wrote in message
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Plus the presence
of hematite.

Ummm...it appears the berries may be almost entirely hematite; they took a
spectrum of an area filled with berries, and and adjacent area with no
berries; massive hematite spike in the spectrum from the berries.

(Clue for morons: Sponges ain't made from hematite.)

I will give you credit, if you're for real, you're one of the more hilarious
USEnet science kooks I've seen in a while.

"jonathan" wrote in message
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This is bull**** of the highest order.

It is fun watching you squirm.