Giant Stealth Planet May Explain Rain of Comets from Solar System's Edge

On Dec 9, 9:52*pm, wrote:
"Our sun may have a companion that disturbs comets
from the edge of the solar system — a giant planet with
up to four times the mass of Jupiter, researchers
suggest.

A NASA space telescope launched last year may soon
detect such a stealth companion to our sun, if it actually
exists, in the distant icy realm of the comet-birthing
Oort cloud, which surrounds our solar system with billions
of icy objects.

The potential jumbo Jupiter would likely be a world so frigid
it is difficult to spot, researchers said. It could be found up
to 30,000 astronomical units from the sun. One AU is the
distance between the Earth and the sun, about 93 million
miles (150 million km)."

See:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/201012...ealthplanetmay...

Lynn Yarris, Walter and Luis Alvarez of Berkeley Lab seems to connect
a number of their deductively interpreted investigative dots.
However, for some reason the cycle of gravity influence from Sirius is
always getting excluded, even though it’s still offering a much
greater influence than you think, and getting stronger by the day. If
you’d care to learn more of what Sirius used to be worth (including it
progenitor molecular cloud that could have easily been worth 3e37 kg)
and what it’s maximum influence potential had to offer, I have the
necessary math to back up what I’ve interpreted.

“Nemesis was first proposed in 1984 to explain perplexing cycles in
mass extinctions on Earth. About every 27 million years, almost like
clockwork, there is a significantly higher likelihood that a mass
extinction will take place on our planet – akin to the apocalypse that
killed off the dinosaurs (and much of the rest of Earth's life) about
65.5 million years ago.”

“THE THEORIZED COMPANION STAR, THROUGH ITS GRAVITATIONAL PULL,
UNLEASHES A FURIOUS STORM OF COMETS IN THE INNER SOLAR SYSTEM LASTING
FROM 100,000 TO TWO MILLION YEARS. SEVERAL OF THESE COMETS STRIKE THE
EARTH.”
http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/...s-nemesis.html

If we get nailed by that 10+ km big one with enough density and
velocity to set most of our world on fire and cause another half inch
layer of sooty red clay saturated with iridium to form, along with
months of perpetual darkness that’ll pretty much terminate that vast
bulk of life as we know it, as such it might be a good idea for having
some kind of local or interstellar lifeboat, upon or within which some
of us might survive.

It’s perfectly clear going by the great number of 100+ km diameter
craters on our moon that has a much tougher and thicker crust than
Earth, that Earth had to have taken at least ten fold as may impacts,
and likely each one of those impactors would have had the capability
of exterminating most terrestrial life as we know it, especially of
the sorts that produced so many 250+ km and of course that absolutely
horrific 2500 km crater.

Now that we've kinda pillaged, plundered and trashed mother Earth for
all she’s worth, not to mention having overpopulated as well as our
having raped and/or polluted most every ocean to the point of no
return, whereas its prime aquatic predators are starving and having to
switch over to eating humans and most anything else that swims by
(including cannibalism of their own species), and otherwise expanding
dead zones that only accommodate jellyfish, perhaps it's time for us
to move on in order to locate a replacement Eden/Earth (if necessary
an exoplanet Super-Earth (GJ 1214 b) of 40+ light years distant might
have to do), as this may become the only viable long-term future for
humanity that just can’t seem to leave anything preexisting well
enough alone.

As is, our global dimming by one point has serious negative
consequences, say going from an albedo of 39% down to 38% (another
peer accepted albedo of .367 is obviously much dimmer), is actually a
huge increase in solar energy absorbing, not to mention what our
personal captured asteroid/planetoid of 7.35e22 kg has been doing to
us by way of its 2e20 N worth of tidal force modulating our entire
planet.

It’s worth noting that one redneck fart from either HVAC, Hagar or
rabbi Saul Levy and the albedo dimming over their single-wide trailer
drops by 5 points. (just saying)

Sooty/polluted air, and especially those elements of dirty CO2 and NOx
are all very bad news for the global environment (worse yet and acidic
when getting extra saturated with water).

I believe our spendy OCO mission was foiled by Big Energy, because
they really don't want us to ever realize just how bad they've made it
for us. They also don't want us to ever realize how much tonnage of
hydrogen, helium and raw methane is getting released and forever lost
per second, not to mention their all-inclusive contributions of
creating CO2 and NOx plus a good dozen other mostly toxic elements
released and/or created via their own plus our end-use combustion is
actually pretty horrific.

~ BG

On Dec 10, 1:08*am, Pat Flannery wrote:

Yeah, heard this before...it used to be a brown dwarf star called
Nemisis:

But the article says that two centuries of comet observations have
produced evidence of Tyche that is unlikely to be a statistical fluke.
So, instead of a dwarf star with a big orbit of 26 million years,
we're dealing with a smaller body with a shorter period.

WISE would be sensitive enough to establish if there is a planet where
they are predicting one might exist, or if the calculations are off.

Will Matese and Whitmire end up remembered like Adams and Leverrier?
Or will Tyche end up like Vulcan? We don't know yet. But this is
routine scientific research, not a diabolical plot to plug WISE - or,
for that matter, the James Webb space telescope - to the American
taxpayer.

John Savard

On Dec 11, 12:38*am, Quadibloc wrote:
On Dec 10, 1:08*am, Pat Flannery wrote:

Yeah, heard this before...it used to be a brown dwarf star called
Nemisis:

But the article says that two centuries of comet observations have
produced evidence of Tyche that is unlikely to be a statistical fluke.
So, instead of a dwarf star with a big orbit of 26 million years,
we're dealing with a smaller body with a shorter period.

WISE would be sensitive enough to establish if there is a planet where
they are predicting one might exist, or if the calculations are off.

Will Matese and Whitmire end up remembered like Adams and Leverrier?
Or will Tyche end up like Vulcan? We don't know yet. But this is
routine scientific research, not a diabolical plot to plug WISE - or,
for that matter, the James Webb space telescope - to the American
taxpayer.

And here's a link to the original paper:

http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/1004.4584

which I found, earliest in the Google search results, on a Planet X/
Nibiru web site, of all places. Even kooks do have there uses, it
seems.

John Savard

I find the abstract stunningly cheerful.

The probability of Tyche existing is *comparable* to the probability
of the whole thing being a statistical fluke, and there being nothing
out there.

That indeed doesn't quite sound like the signal is really standing out
from the noise here. But WISE happened to be up there snapping its
pictures for other reasons. If their paper had been the only thing on
which to base funding for it, that would have different.

John Savard

On Dec 9, 9:52*pm, wrote:
"Our sun may have a companion that disturbs comets
from the edge of the solar system — a giant planet with
up to four times the mass of Jupiter, researchers
suggest.

A NASA space telescope launched last year may soon
detect such a stealth companion to our sun, if it actually
exists, in the distant icy realm of the comet-birthing
Oort cloud, which surrounds our solar system with billions
of icy objects.

The potential jumbo Jupiter would likely be a world so frigid
it is difficult to spot, researchers said. It could be found up
to 30,000 astronomical units from the sun. One AU is the
distance between the Earth and the sun, about 93 million
miles (150 million km)."

See:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/201012...ealthplanetmay...

Lynn Yarris, Walter and Luis Alvarez of Berkeley Lab seem to connect a
number of their deductively interpreted investigative dots in a
sufficiently rational way. However, for some reason the ongoing cycle
of the nearby gravity influence from Sirius is always getting
excluded, even though it’s still offering a much greater influence
than you’ve been told to think, and it’s only getting stronger by the
day. If you’d care to learn more of what Sirius used to be worth
(including it progenitor molecular/nebula cloud that could have easily
been worth 3e37 kg up to 5e37 kg), and further considering whatever
its maximum influence potential had to offer, on that thought I have
the necessary math to back up what I’ve interpreted.

“Nemesis was first proposed in 1984 to explain perplexing cycles in
mass extinctions on Earth. About every 27 million years, almost like
clockwork, there is a significantly higher likelihood that a mass
extinction will take place on our planet – akin to the apocalypse that
killed off the dinosaurs (and much of the rest of Earth's life) about
65.5 million years ago.”

“The theorized companion star, through its gravitational pull,
unleashes a furious storm of comets in the inner solar system lasting
from 100,000 to two million years. several of these comets strike the
earth.”
http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/...s-nemesis.html

If we get nailed by that 10+ km big one with enough density and
velocity to set most of our world on fire and cause yet another half
inch layer of sooty red clay as saturated with iridium to form, along
with months of perpetual darkness that’ll pretty much terminate that
vast bulk of life as we know it, as such it might be a good idea for
our planet having some kind of local or interstellar capable lifeboat,
upon or within which some of us might survive.

It’s perfectly clear, going by the great number of 100+ km diameter
craters on our moon that has a much tougher and thicker crust than
Earth, that our planet had to have taken at least ten fold as many and
worse impacts, and likely each one of those impactors would have had
the capability of exterminating most terrestrial life as we know it,
especially of the sorts that produced so many craters of 250+ km and
of course that absolutely horrific 2500 km crater at its south pole.

Now that we've kinda pillaged, plundered and trashed our mother Earth
for all she’s worth, not to mention having overpopulated as well as
our having commercially harvested and/or polluted most every km3 of
ocean to the point of no return, whereas its prime aquatic predators
are starving and having to adapt by switching over to eating humans
and most anything else that swims by (including cannibalism of their
own species), and otherwise our expanding O2 depleted dead zones that
only accommodate jellyfish habitats, whereas perhaps it's time for us
to move on in order to locate a replacement Eden/Earth (if necessary
an exoplanet Super-Earth (GJ 1214 b) of 40+ light years distant might
have to do), as this may become the only viable long-term future for
humanity that just can’t seem to leave anything preexisting well
enough alone.

As is, our artificial global dimming by one point over the past few
centuries has serious negative consequences, say going from an albedo
of 39% down to 38% (another peer accepted albedo of .367 is obviously
much dimmer), is actually a huge increase in solar energy absorbing,
not to mention what our personal captured asteroid/planetoid of
7.35e22 kg has been doing to us by way of its 2e20 N worth of tidal
force modulating our entire planet.

It’s worth noting that one redneck fart from either HVAC, Hagar or
rabbi Saul Levy and the albedo dimming over their single-wide trailer
drops by 5 points. (just saying)

Sooty/polluted air, and especially those elements of dirty CO2 and NOx
are all very bad news for the global environment (worse yet and
obviously acidic when getting extra saturated with water).

I believe our spendy OCO mission was intentionally foiled by Big
Energy, because they really don't want us to ever realize just how bad
they've made it for us. They also don't want us to ever realize how
much tonnage of hydrogen, helium and raw methane is getting released
and forever lost per second, not to mention their all-inclusive
contributions of creating CO2 and NOx, plus another good dozen other
mostly toxic elements released and/or created via their own plus our
end-use combustion is actually a pretty horrific scale of mass
consumption and systematic disregard for the global environment, which
wouldn’t be so terrible if this global trauma were only contributed by
10% of the global population instead of the 75+% that has no further
intentions of their being left in our pretentious infidel dust, so to
speak.

~ BG

On Dec 10, 11:43*pm, Quadibloc wrote:
I find the abstract stunningly cheerful.

The probability of Tyche existing is *comparable* to the probability
of the whole thing being a statistical fluke, and there being nothing
out there.

That indeed doesn't quite sound like the signal is really standing out
from the noise here. But WISE happened to be up there snapping its
pictures for other reasons. If their paper had been the only thing on
which to base funding for it, that would have different.

John Savard

Considering we can spot planets around other stars, how could
we miss the biggest planet (or is it the second-biggest sun?)
in our own solar system? Assuming, of course, that it actually
exists.

skrev i meddelelsen
...

Considering we can spot planets around other stars, how could
we miss the biggest planet (or is it the second-biggest sun?)
in our own solar system? Assuming, of course, that it actually
exists.

Because the extra-solar planets have been spotted either by transits (the
planet passes between its star and us) or by their gravitational tugs on
their stars, which causes periodic wobbles in their stars' radial velocities
which we can discern by Doppler-shift. A hypothetical heavy planet that
orbits the Sun at the proposed very large distance will kinda rarely transit
the Sun as seen by us, and will produce a wobble with insignificant
acceleration and a period of millions of years. I believe some extra-solar
planets have also been inferred by gaps in dust disks surrounding other
stars.

Jon Lennart Beck.

On Dec 13, 1:07*pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
On 12/13/2010 9:54 AM, Raven wrote:
* A hypothetical heavy planet that

orbits the Sun at the proposed very large distance will kinda rarely
transit
the Sun as seen by us,

Let us hope it never transits the Sun as seen from Earth...or we, Venus,
and Mercury are going to go flying all over the place like billiard
balls due to its gravity.

Pat

Perhaps if it merely impacts our sun, as such it'll replenish the
cache of hydrogen, so that our sun would cool back down?

Just kidding about that, because originally our sun was worth at least
2.6e30 kg, and it was seriously much hotter and nastier than it is
nowadays.

~ BG

On Dec 13, 9:54*am, "Raven"
k wrote:
skrev i ...

Considering we can spot planets around other stars, how could
we miss the biggest planet (or is it the second-biggest sun?)
in our own solar system? *Assuming, of course, that it actually
exists.

* *Because the extra-solar planets have been spotted either by transits (the
planet passes between its star and us) or by their gravitational tugs on
their stars, which causes periodic wobbles in their stars' radial velocities
which we can discern by Doppler-shift. *A hypothetical heavy planet that
orbits the Sun at the proposed very large distance will kinda rarely transit
the Sun as seen by us, and will produce a wobble with insignificant
acceleration and a period of millions of years. *I believe some extra-solar
planets have also been inferred by gaps in dust disks surrounding other
stars.

Jon Lennart Beck.

Sirius is still a greater threat.

What’s holding our solar system to Sirius shouldn’t be any great
surprise (especially considering its progenitor molecular cloud mass
of 3e37 kg), and thereby it should more than outweigh whatever the
media/infomercial hyped Nemesis dwarf star or whatever enormous carbon
dark buckyball cloaked gas giant planet has to offer. It seems as
though our NASA is just feeding us another ruse to ponder, as a
tactical diversion away from the more likely truth. In other words,
business as usual.

~ BG

On 12/13/2010 9:54 AM, Raven wrote:
A hypothetical heavy planet that
orbits the Sun at the proposed very large distance will kinda rarely
transit
the Sun as seen by us,

Let us hope it never transits the Sun as seen from Earth...or we, Venus,
and Mercury are going to go flying all over the place like billiard
balls due to its gravity.

Pat