Tom Back

Bill,

Don't wait from me any comments about you or your behavior. Really,
what you did wrong now and in a past? Nothing. So, why you provoke
me to tell something bad about you?

I also would like to see any facts where you or anybody else will
show me real attac on Tom Back. The only idea of my posts was to
restore a real history - when Markus with Tom's Back full support
developed attacks against other products (TAK, AP, ARIES) with falsely
(and IMO, intentionally) cooked pictures - as "factual" provement of
TMB's scopes superiority in color correction and overall correction.
If you are not blind, re-read these threads and see all yourself.
I also advice you to not to frighten me by ban from your group, but
instead of this try to stay on position of other APO (same color-free and
TMB's or even better) manufacturers thouse production Markus and Tom
tried to belittle vs their own LZOS one.

BTW. I am not wonder why TMB now joint with SV. Very similar methods in
fight against competitors. ;-)
We can expect further development of their methods. The very firs
results was: Tom Back claimed here, in the s.a.a., that ORION 80mm F/7.5
ED APO is not an APO (despite it show no false color on Vega, while
130mm F/6 Super-puper TMB does.)


V.D.


Why you talk so funny? You really should take some english grammar
lessons.

On 23 Sep 2003 18:38:49 GMT, (CHASLX200) wrote:

Subject: Tom Back
From: "Al"
Date: 9/23/03 11:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

Valery,

It's clear to me and I hope that it's clear to you that you are your own
worse enemy. In the past, I've been forced to live through some of your
disruptive flame wars and tirades beginning with the one a few years ago
when you turned the Yahoo "Chinese Refractors" group into rubble. Too bad,
because I enjoyed that group and your antics is the reason I left. Not too
much later, you used SAA as a stage to duel with Astro Physics and then
later with Ed Ting and the Chromacor review debacle. Everytime you do this,
Valery, a few guys vow never to buy your product again, no matter how good
they are.

I hope you will do yourself a favor and consider not dominating SAA for the
next week with your gripes. Try using private email or the telephone.


Al
************************
Well you guys can think what ya want!
But i can tell ya TMB -APO's are some the best optics i have ever used. I had
a chance last week to use a 4" TMB, and let me tell ya, that was one sharp
scope! I could use over 400x with ease, i find it better than my TAK FL-102,
and it's built like a tank. About two years ago, i got a look thru another
4"TMB, it was about as perfect as perfect can be!

Guess there is no such thing as the perfect scope, but both TMB's would get a
10 on my list...

Chas P.

If TMB are "among the best" then what is THE BEST??

"Garney Malenfant" wrote

Why you talk so funny? You really should take some english grammar
lessons.

He's Russian.

Peter


What does Valery D make in terms of telescopes to deserve such a
retort?

A seemingly magic device that enables an achromat to emulate
an apochromat.

Alan


Where is it advertsied? I suppose this VD character keeps a low
profile with his bashing...he just may end up getting really bashed
around sometime if thats's what he does..

He's Russian.

And seems to be a crybaby, also...

Maybe we need a NG called
"sci.astro.bitchsession" for this sort of posting.
Clear, Dark, Steady Skies!
(And considerate neighbors!!!)

"Garney Malenfant" wrote in message
news
On 23 Sep 2003 18:38:49 GMT, (CHASLX200) wrote:

Subject: Tom Back
From: "Al"
Date: 9/23/03 11:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

Valery,

It's clear to me and I hope that it's clear to you that you are your own
worse enemy. In the past, I've been forced to live through some of your
disruptive flame wars and tirades beginning with the one a few years ago
when you turned the Yahoo "Chinese Refractors" group into rubble. Too
bad,
because I enjoyed that group and your antics is the reason I left. Not
too
much later, you used SAA as a stage to duel with Astro Physics and then
later with Ed Ting and the Chromacor review debacle. Everytime you do
this,
Valery, a few guys vow never to buy your product again, no matter how
good
they are.

I hope you will do yourself a favor and consider not dominating SAA for
the
next week with your gripes. Try using private email or the telephone.


Al
************************
Well you guys can think what ya want!
But i can tell ya TMB -APO's are some the best optics i have ever used.
I had
a chance last week to use a 4" TMB, and let me tell ya, that was one
sharp
scope! I could use over 400x with ease, i find it better than my TAK
FL-102,
and it's built like a tank. About two years ago, i got a look thru
another
4"TMB, it was about as perfect as perfect can be!

Guess there is no such thing as the perfect scope, but both TMB's would
get a
10 on my list...

Chas P.

If TMB are "among the best" then what is THE BEST??

When you get down to Tak, AP, TMB and a few others, you have left the pack
way behind and the best becomes a matter of choice.

Al

Howard Lester wrote:

"Garney Malenfant" wrote

Why you talk so funny? You really should take some english grammar
lessons.

He's Russian.

Living in Ukraine IIRC.

So he's writing in probably his third language (after Russian and
Ukraine) - if you feel so strongly that his English grammer needs
comment, why don't you comment in Russian? It's appropriate that you do,
since this is an international group, and I'm sure that your Russian
grammer is up to the task.

Subject: Tom Back
From: Alan W. Craft
Date: 9/23/03 12:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:


Wha', your Takahashi ~FS-102~, or a ~VIXEN~ FL102S?

Whichever it is, do you still have it?
****************
I sold the Tak, and never had a Vixen FL102S! I have a Vixen 114mm ED F/5.3,
and just bought a EM-200 mount for it...

Chas P.

Subject: Tom Back
From: Garney Malenfant
Date: 9/23/03 12:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:


If TMB are "among the best" then what is THE BEST??

********************
No scope is the best! Each one has it's drawbacks, be it size , weight, and on
and on.

Chas P.

On 22 Sep 2003 23:39:39 -0700, (ValeryD)
wrote:

SNIP...

The baby's crying again... Whose turn is it to get up?