REPUBS should PAY if they kill Healthcare

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Chief wrote:

What a laugh.

http://www.elihu.envy.nu/NeoPics/Sounds/HR_Cackle.wav

A good example of how stupid and dumbed down many of the Americans are
these days.

To believe Obama is a socialist is pure stupidity.

Right. No one need "believe." It's too damn obvious.

Class warfare. Nationalization of key industries. Lack of trust in free
market. Punitive taxes on the wealthy. Expansion of government services.

"I believe Barry Obama is a socialist," is like saying "I believe Bernie
Madoff is a swindler," or "I believe Tiger Woods is an adulterer," or "I
believe Britney Spears is neurotic."

To think the House and Senate manuverings are unconstitutional is to not
know the same constitution you are so worried about.

"But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by
Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the
Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively."

--
Neolibertarian

"[The American People] know that we don't have deficits
because people are taxed too little; we have deficits
because big government spends too much."
---Ronald Reagan

HAHAHAHAHHAHA. You all will find out. Soon. If pass.
The country will go down. If fails. The country will look at
Obama as it should have when he was elected. He's incompetent
and inexperienced. Should not have been elected. But those who
elected him. Be warned. You'll see.


"Jonathan" wrote in message
...

It's bad enough that George Bush left Pres Obama a twice a century
recession...it's bad enough that republican mismanagement clipped
our standard of living some 20%...it's bad enough republican
cronyism cost millions of Americans their homes and life savings
..it's bad enough they left a half finished war.....it's bad enough they
took the largest budget surplus in decades, and turned it into the
largest deficits ever...but if the republicans now kill this healthcare
legislation, they should run out of town on a rail with prejuduce.

If the democrats need to stoop to republican tactics to force
this through, so be it. They had their shot at eight years in power
and did noting more than ruin lives, ruin the economy, ruin our
life savings and ruin the reputation of the United States of
America.

Enough is enough, even civil disobedience will soon become
justified to make sure its a long long time before the republican
party regains power in DC.

Nothing is more dangerous than millions of people that have
nothing left to lose, thanks to the Republican party.


Jonathan

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"American" wrote in message
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! The vote will be in less than 72 hours!





! California flipped vote to yes when bribed with 25% more WATER for
their districts!

! Earmarks are piling mountain high for those with undecided votes!

! Backroom deals using bribery and extortion are swindling voters out
of the future of our country!

! If this bill is passed, there will be a decision on immigration
reform next week!

! Call your representative today! The count is on and will expire
Sunday!

! The key undecided states are Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Indiana!

! Find your representative today before it is too late :

http://www.house.gov/

! Here is a model letter to send to your representative :

[Sen./Rep.] [FIRST NAME] [LAST NAME]
Washington, DC

Please REJECT Socialized Health Care!

Dear [Sen./Rep.] [LAST NAME]:

I'm writing to ask you to please reject ANY attempt to force
socialized health care or government-mandated health insurance on
Americans.

The plans currently being pushed by the Democratic leadership would
create a government takeover of healthcare, with a price tag of $2.5
trillion over 10 years, giant slashes to the already under-funded
Medicare, expansion of Medicaid, huge tax increases that would cost an
estimated five million American jobs and stifle medical innovation,
and individual mandates to purchase government-approved insurance
plans -- just to name a few. Polls show that the majority of Americans
are OPPOSED to ANY such attempts at imposing government-controlled
healthcare. And to add insult to injury, the press is reporting that
Democratic leaders plan to pass their plans using a so-called
reconciliation bill, a seldom-used procedure that only requires a
simple majority of votes for Senate passage -- which would be
unprecedented for social legislation of this cost and scale.

This whole thing is OUTRAGEOUS, and YOU must stop it. Please, do the
RIGHT thing -- reject ANY attempt to force socialized health care or
government-mandated health insurance on Americans, no matter WHAT form
it may take. Thank you.

Sincerely,

[YOUR NAME]
[ADDRESS]
[CITY], [STATE] [ZIP]


! Join the League of American Voters and donate to keep the anti-
propoganda campaign alive!

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! Congress should amend the McCarran-Ferguson Act to allow interstate
competition in health insurance

"We can't have a free market in health insurance until Congress
eliminates the antitrust exemption protecting health insurance
companies from competition. If Democrats really wanted to punish
insurance companies, which they manifestly do not, they'd make
insurers compete"

- A. Coulter

! This is America's last stand!

Show your support by contacting your legislator today!


American

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"Jonathan" wrote:

"Neolibertarian" wrote in message
news:e4458$4ba4c589$18f55223$1605@allthenewsgroups .com...


This isn't even a coherent straw man argument, dummy.


It's not an argument, it's a threat.



The Constitution reads "We the People..."


Right. President Bush/Cheney became obsessed with Iraq
and forgot about the American people.

The Khobar Towers attack was in response to the sanctions against Iraq.
The personnel attacked were in Saudi Arabia enforcing the No-Fly zones
in Iraq.

Bin Laden explained that the 1998 African Embassy bombings were in
response to the intractable situation in Iraq. He compared the sanctions
in Iraq to the terrible, intractable situation in the Occupied
Territories.

In 2000, the USS Cole was attacked. She was in the Gulf as part of the
task force charged with enforcing the sanctions against Iraq.

When America was attacked on 9/11, Osama bin Laden made it clear the
jihadis had attacked America in response to the suffering of the Iraqis.


--
Neolibertarian

"[The American People] know that we don't have deficits
because people are taxed too little; we have deficits
because big government spends too much."
---Ronald Reagan

On Mar 19, 8:00*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
"Harold Burton" wrote in message

...

In article ,
"Jonathan" wrote:

It's bad enough that George Bush left Pres Obama a twice a century
recession...

But then Obama doubled it.

Snicker.

Below lies the chart of the Dow for the last year of your side, and
the first year of mine. Notice your side is the one of the left.
The largest market crash since 1929.

And the line on the right is my side. Going from *8000 to 11,000.
A 35% rise in one short year.http://bigcharts.marke****ch.com/qui...asp?symb=djia&...

But go ahead, try to blame Obama for the crash, and credit Bush for the
surge.
And continue 'snickering' at the length of the recession, if it makes you
feel
better.

Jonathan

s

It's Burton. He never has anything of substance to say, just lies and
snickering like a retard.

On Mar 20, 5:59*am, Neolibertarian wrote:
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*"Jonathan" wrote:
It's bad enough that George Bush left Pres Obama a twice a century
recession...it's bad enough that republican mismanagement clipped
our standard of living some 20%...it's bad enough republican
cronyism cost millions of Americans their homes and life savings
..it's bad enough they left a half finished war.....it's bad enough they
took the largest budget surplus in decades, and turned it into the
largest deficits ever...but if the republicans now kill this healthcare
legislation, they should run out of town on a rail with prejuduce.

If the democrats need to stoop to republican tactics to force
this through, so be it. They had their shot at eight years in power
and did noting more than ruin lives, ruin the economy, ruin our
life savings and ruin the reputation of the United States of
America.

Enough is enough, even civil disobedience will soon become
justified to make sure its *a long long time before the republican
party regains power in DC.

Nothing is more dangerous than millions of people that have
nothing left to lose, thanks to the Republican party.

This isn't even a coherent straw man argument, dummy.

The Constitution reads "We the People..."

If you're looking to blame someone for everything in your world that's
less than perfect, you need look no further than those words.

--
Neolibertarian

"[The American People] know that we don't have deficits
because people are taxed too little; we have deficits
because big government spends too much."
* * * * * * * * * ---Ronald Reagan

Says the guy who tripled the national debt.

On Mar 20, 2:21*pm, Neolibertarian wrote:
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*Chief wrote:

What a laugh.

http://www.elihu.envy.nu/NeoPics/Sounds/HR_Cackle.wav



A good example of how stupid and dumbed down many of the Americans are
these days.

To believe Obama is a socialist is pure stupidity.

Right. No one need "believe." It's too damn obvious.

Class warfare.

Around long before Obama got there.

Nationalization of key industries.

What industry has Obama "nationalized", pray tell?

Lack of trust in free
market.

Yeah, I imagine people were SOOOOOO trusting of the free market after
those CEO's handed themselves million-dollar bonuses for destroying
the economy.

Punitive taxes on the wealthy.

They deserve to be punished. They wrecked the economy, and they have
bailout money to pay back.

Expansion of government services.

Good.


"I believe Barry Obama is a socialist," is like saying "I believe Bernie
Madoff is a swindler," or "I believe Tiger Woods is an adulterer," or "I
believe Britney Spears is neurotic."

Or "the poster called Neolibertarian is a retard".


To think the House and Senate manuverings are unconstitutional is to not
know the same constitution you are so worried about.

"But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by
Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the
Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively."


Annnnnnnddddddd.....

On Mar 20, 4:48*pm, Neolibertarian wrote:
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*"Jonathan" wrote:
"Neolibertarian" wrote in message
news:e4458$4ba4c589$18f55223$1605@allthenewsgroup s.com...

This isn't even a coherent straw man argument, dummy.

It's not an argument, it's a threat.

The Constitution reads "We the People..."

Right. President Bush/Cheney became obsessed with Iraq
and forgot about the American people.

The Khobar Towers attack was in response to the sanctions against Iraq.

Surrreeeee....

The personnel attacked were in Saudi Arabia enforcing the No-Fly zones
in Iraq.


I see, let Saddam massacre from the air all the Kurds and Shiites he
wants.

Bin Laden explained that the 1998 African Embassy bombings were in
response to the intractable situation in Iraq. He compared the sanctions
in Iraq to the terrible, intractable situation in the Occupied
Territories.

I call bull****. Cite?


In 2000, the USS Cole was attacked. She was in the Gulf as part of the
task force charged with enforcing the sanctions against Iraq.

Uh huh.


When America was attacked on 9/11, Osama bin Laden made it clear the
jihadis had attacked America in response to the suffering of the Iraqis.


I call bull**** on you. OBL despised Saddam Hussein.

Sooooooo....let me get this straight...sanctions are bad, but invading
for nonexistent reasons is just ducky.

On Mar 20, 3:26*pm, "carl" wrote:
HAHAHAHAHHAHA. You all will find out. Soon. If pass.
The country will go down. If fails. The country will look at
Obama as it should have when he was elected. He's incompetent
and inexperienced. Should not have been elected. But those who
elected him. Be warned. You'll see.


Yeah right. One year after Bush took office, the WTC was rubble and
the economy was going from a boom and an operating surplus into the
****ter. ****, Obama's done way better than Bush has so far.


"Jonathan" wrote in message

...





It's bad enough that George Bush left Pres Obama a twice a century
recession...it's bad enough that republican mismanagement clipped
our standard of living some 20%...it's bad enough republican
cronyism cost millions of Americans their homes and life savings
..it's bad enough they left a half finished war.....it's bad enough they
took the largest budget surplus in decades, and turned it into the
largest deficits ever...but if the republicans now kill this healthcare
legislation, they should run out of town on a rail with prejuduce.

If the democrats need to stoop to republican tactics to force
this through, so be it. They had their shot at eight years in power
and did noting more than ruin lives, ruin the economy, ruin our
life savings and ruin the reputation of the United States of
America.

Enough is enough, even civil disobedience will soon become
justified to make sure its *a long long time before the republican
party regains power in DC.

Nothing is more dangerous than millions of people that have
nothing left to lose, thanks to the Republican party.

Jonathan

s

"American" wrote in message
....
! The vote will be in less than 72 hours!

! California flipped vote to yes when bribed with 25% more WATER for
their districts!

! Earmarks are piling mountain high for those with undecided votes!

! Backroom deals using bribery and extortion are swindling voters out
of the future of our country!

! If this bill is passed, there will be a decision on immigration
reform next week!

! Call your representative today! *The count is on and will expire
Sunday!

! The key undecided states are Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Indiana!

! Find your representative today before it is too late :

http://www.house.gov/

! Here is a model letter to send to your representative :

[Sen./Rep.] [FIRST NAME] [LAST NAME]
Washington, DC

Please REJECT Socialized Health Care!

Dear [Sen./Rep.] [LAST NAME]:

I'm writing to ask you to please reject ANY attempt to force
socialized health care or government-mandated health insurance on
Americans.


"Because I am a moron. Who loves to take it up the ass from insurance
companies."

The plans currently being pushed by the Democratic leadership would
create a government takeover of healthcare,

"Which is waaaaayyyyyy worse than having it run by a bunch of crooks
who make their money by NOT treating you"


with a price tag of $2.5
trillion over 10 years,

"Which seems to get bigger every time Glenn Beck opens his mouth"


giant slashes to the already under-funded
Medicare, expansion of Medicaid, huge tax increases that would cost an
estimated five million American jobs and stifle medical innovation,

"Which is why doctors and nurses are all in favor of it"

and individual mandates to purchase government-approved insurance
plans -- just to name a few. Polls show that the majority of Americans
are OPPOSED to ANY such attempts at imposing government-controlled
healthcare.

"Even though the majority say they are in favor of a public option.
But what do they know?"


And to add insult to injury, the press is reporting that
Democratic leaders plan to pass their plans using a so-called
reconciliation bill, a seldom-used procedure that only requires a
simple majority of votes for Senate passage -- which would be
unprecedented for social legislation of this cost and scale.

"Far better we should let a minority of Senators fillibuster this
thing, shut down government in a time of economic crisis, and stifle
the people's wishes."



This whole thing is OUTRAGEOUS, and YOU must stop it. Please, do the
RIGHT thing -- reject ANY attempt to force socialized health care or
government-mandated health insurance on Americans, no matter WHAT form
it may take. Thank you.


"P.S.: And while you're at it, do something about the flying
leprechauns ****ting on my lawn."


Sincerely,

[YOUR NAME]
[ADDRESS]
[CITY], [STATE] [ZIP]

! Join the League of American Voters and donate to keep the anti-
propoganda campaign alive!

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You want to fight propaganda using a propaganda magazine. Funny.

! Congress should amend the McCarran-Ferguson Act to allow interstate
competition in health insurance

"We can't have a free market in health insurance until Congress
eliminates the antitrust exemption protecting health insurance
companies from competition. If Democrats really wanted to punish
insurance companies, which they manifestly do not, they'd make
insurers compete"

- A. Coulter

The right wing's answer to Tokyo Rose.


! This is America's last stand!

Show your support by contacting your legislator today!

American

I did! And told them to push it through!

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,
" wrote:

On Mar 20, 1:06?am, "carl" wrote:
As it is. Obama is always blameless. Everything that happens on Obama's
watch is Bush's fault. Never Obama's. Thats what dems belief.

"Jonathan" wrote in message

...





"Harold Burton" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Jonathan" wrote:

It's bad enough that George Bush left Pres Obama a twice a century
recession...

But then Obama doubled it.

Snicker.

Below lies the chart of the Dow for the last year of your side, and
the first year of mine. Notice your side is the one of the left.
The largest market crash since 1929.

And the line on the right is my side. Going from ?8000 to 11,000.
A 35% rise in one short year.
http://bigcharts.marke****ch.com/qui...asp?symb=djia&...

But go ahead, try to blame Obama for the crash, and credit Bush for the
surge.
And continue 'snickering' at the length of the recession, if it makes you
feel
better.

Jonathan

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Bush was captain of the US TITANIC, it hit the iceberg,
and began sinking Obama was transported in as it was taking on
water.

yeah sure its obamas fault.



Yep.


snicker.

In article
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Siobhan Medeiros wrote:

This isn't even a coherent straw man argument, dummy.

It's not an argument, it's a threat.

The Constitution reads "We the People..."

Right. President Bush/Cheney became obsessed with Iraq
and forgot about the American people.

The Khobar Towers attack was in response to the sanctions against Iraq.

Surrreeeee....

It's pretty easy to look up.

"On 25 June 1996, a terrorist truck bomb exploded outside the northern
perimeter of the US portion of the Khobar Towers housing complex,
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. The US controlled portion of Khobar Towers was a
facility housing US Air Force, US Army and British and French allied
forces supporting the coalition air operation over Iraq, Operation
SOUTHERN WATCH. The explosion killed 19 Air Force service members and
injured hundreds more. It also injured many Saudi Arabian citizens and
third country nationals."

http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/khobar_af/part1.htm

The dead were all serving in the US Air Force 4404th Air Wing.

The target wasn't chosen at random.


The personnel attacked were in Saudi Arabia enforcing the No-Fly zones
in Iraq.


I see, let Saddam massacre from the air all the Kurds and Shiites he
wants.

The sanctions imposed on Iraq in 1991 were, perhaps, the most severe in
history, especially given their length.

In 1995, the Food & Agriculture Organization of the UN released a study
claiming as many as 500,000 Iraqi children had died as a direct result
of the sanctions.

In 1998 three UN officials responsible for coordinating the sanctions
resigned in as many months, claiming that the sanctions were a "totally
bankrupt concept."

Enforcement of the "no-fly zones" didn't really stop Saddam's actions
against the Kurds. His security police, along with elements of HAMAS,
were active in the Kurdish territories throughout the sanctions period,
only ending with the 2003 invasion.

Sanctions are not an alternative to war. Sometimes they can be a
deliberate march to war.

This was the case when they were first tried by Athens in 432 BC, this
was true with the Treaty of Versailles in 1919, and it was still
painfully evident with UN Security Council Resolution 687 in 1991.

Bin Laden explained that the 1998 African Embassy bombings were in
response to the intractable situation in Iraq. He compared the sanctions
in Iraq to the terrible, intractable situation in the Occupied
Territories.

I call bull****. Cite?

This is even easier to look up--how is it you haven't done so?

Your nation has been at war for 9 years, you've lost almost 8,000
citizens to it, spent nearly $1 trillion, yet you've never looked into
it? Shame on you.

"Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by
the Crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those
killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans
are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they
are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious
war or the fragmentation and devastation.

"So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to
humiliate their Muslim neighbors. Third, if the Americans' aims behind
these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the
Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem
and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness
to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their
endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq..."

---Osama bin Laden
Fatwa of War, 1998


In 2000, the USS Cole was attacked. She was in the Gulf as part of the
task force charged with enforcing the sanctions against Iraq.

Uh huh.

"On August 8, 2000 the USS Cole departed the Norfolk Naval Station for a
five-month deployment to the Persian Gulf to participate in the US-led
operation enforcing UN sanctions against Iraq. It was scheduled to
return to the United States on December 21, 2000."

http://www.answers.com/topic/uss-cole

The target wasn't chosen at random.


When America was attacked on 9/11, Osama bin Laden made it clear the
jihadis had attacked America in response to the suffering of the Iraqis.


I call bull**** on you. OBL despised Saddam Hussein.

Salafist jihadis despise all rulers who claim to be secular. While the
pall of secularism continued for a time to surround Saddam's regime, the
last time the Iraqi Revolutionary Council would declare itself secular
was way back in 1990. In 1991, as he faced down the west over his
invasion of Kuwait, he would assume the mantle of Islamic King. This was
viewed with suspicion at the time, of course. Many observers believed
his change only cosmetic.

By 1993, Saddam had fully converted to Salafism. He instituted the
famous "Return to Faith Campaign" inside Iraq, which required all
Ba'athist party members to pass periodic exams on the Qu'ran. Meetings
were begun and ended with prayers. From that point on, it is well known
(to everyone but Americans) that Iraq was no longer secular.

"Bin Ladin was also willing to explore possibilities for cooperation
with Iraq, even though Iraq's dictator, Saddam Hussein, had never had an
Islamist agenda-save for his opportunistic pose as a defender of the
faithful against "Crusaders" during the Gulf War of 1991. Moreover, Bin
Ladin had in fact been sponsoring anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi
Kurdistan, and sought to attract them into his Islamic army.

"To protect his own ties with Iraq, Turabi reportedly brokered an
agreement that Bin Ladin would stop supporting activities against
Saddam."

No coincidence that all this occurred in 1993. Saddam also used his new
"born-again" credentials to broker rapprochement with Syria. Iraq and
Syria would reopen their borders to each other in 1997, and they
reopened an old oil pipeline that they used to circumvent the UN "Oil
for Food" restrictions.

No coincidence that by 1998, Saddam felt secure enough to end all
cooperation with the UN inspectors.

Sooooooo....let me get this straight...sanctions are bad, but invading
for nonexistent reasons is just ducky.

The statement being responded to is this:

"President Bush/Cheney became obsessed with Iraq and forgot about the
American people."

I was merely pointing out that the American people were only mystified
by the "obsession" with Iraq, because they mostly let "experts" do all
their thinking for them.

Sooner or later, the "experts" understand this all too well.

--
Neolibertarian

"[The American People] know that we don't have deficits
because people are taxed too little; we have deficits
because big government spends too much."
---Ronald Reagan