What's the buzz, Buzz?

OTOH, why do I have the sneaky suspicion that when it's all said and done,
we'll find that we're spending the same on Orion/Aries ops that we spend on
shuttle ops today?

Dave

probably the same, given its nasa. their main interest is spending
money not accomplishing anything.

hopefully a new vehicle that isnt the ares will at minumum be safer.
ts bad to kill crews.

but by the time a new vehicle is ready the station will be at de orbit
time to burn up over pacific.........

nasa doesnt need a new dedicated launcher. just go with private
industry on existing expendables

X flights over X time at this price

a écrit :
OTOH, why do I have the sneaky suspicion that when it's all said and done,
we'll find that we're spending the same on Orion/Aries ops that we spend on
shuttle ops today?

Dave

probably the same, given its nasa. their main interest is spending
money not accomplishing anything.


NASA has explored

Mercury, Venus, the moon,
Mars, Jupiter, Saturn Neptune Uranus and Pluto.

Today, NASA has machines in orbit around Mars and Saturn
Machines are traveling towards Mercury and Pluto.

NASA has sent machines beyond the solar system, into interplanetary
space (Voyager 1 and 2, and the Pioneer probes)

Nasa sent humans to the Moon, and has participated to the building
of the international space station.

This organization will be remembered forever in all school books of the
future. To say that Nasa "accomplished nothing" proves only the stupidity
of the anonymous coward that wrote those words.

nasa doesnt need a new dedicated launcher. just go with private
industry on existing expendables


"Private industry" has accomplished nothing till now, but a few shots
of experimental hardware.

On Nov 30, 12:46�pm, jacob navia wrote:
a �crit :

OTOH, why do I have the sneaky suspicion that when it's all said and done,
we'll find that we're spending the same on Orion/Aries ops that we spend on
shuttle ops today?

Dave

probably the same, given its nasa. their main interest is spending
money not accomplishing anything.

NASA has explored

Mercury, Venus, the moon,
Mars, Jupiter, Saturn Neptune Uranus and Pluto.

Today, NASA has machines in orbit around Mars and Saturn
Machines are traveling towards Mercury and Pluto.

NASA has sent machines beyond the solar system, into interplanetary
space (Voyager 1 and 2, and the Pioneer probes)

Nasa sent humans to the Moon, and has participated to the building
of the international space station.

This organization will be remembered forever in all school books of the
future. To say that Nasa "accomplished nothing" proves only the stupidity
of the anonymous coward that wrote those words.

nasa doesnt need a new dedicated launcher. just go with private
industry on existing expendables

"Private industry" has accomplished nothing till now, but a few shots
of experimental hardware.

yeah the original nasa did accomplish a lot.

but the new manned launcher is all political pork piggie payoffs.

existing atlas and delta expendables would cost less, hep the industry
with a increased launch rate, and could of been ready to fly by now.

we cant afford to pay off shuttle contractors.........

make private space launchers income tax free for 20 years and watch
that industry explode.

even john young says the new launchger is too big, too expensive and
no one wants it........

nasa specked the vehicle to lock out all existing vehicles

David Spain wrote:
Pat Flannery writes:

The Buzzter will _not_ be silenced:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/buzz-a..._b_371205.html

Geez I dunno Pat,

I found myself more in agreement with what I read here than disagreement.

Then you will want to be the first on your block to support him* by
buying the entire "Buzz Aldrin Rocket Hero" collection of model kits!
http://www.revell.com/model-kits/lic...cket-hero.html
....and remember, these StarBuzz licensed kits each contain a replica of
the gold olive branch left on the Moon by the Apollo astronauts!
http://www.revell.com/catalog/images/free_pin-lg.jpg
And that's just the beginning of your journey into Buzzdom!
Don't forget to purchase several copies of Buzz's book: "Magnificent
Desolation", which make great Christmas gifts!
And in fact, any StarBuzz licensed item makes a great gift!:
http://buzzaldrin.com/?q=hero
It may have been one small step for Neal, but it was one giant marketing
opportunity for Buzz.

Pat

* And I mean that financially.

"Pat Flannery" sez:

Then you will want to be the first on your block to support him* by buying
the entire "Buzz Aldrin Rocket Hero" collection of model kits!
http://www.revell.com/model-kits/lic...cket-hero.html
...and remember, these StarBuzz licensed kits each contain a replica of
the gold olive branch left on the Moon by the Apollo astronauts!
http://www.revell.com/catalog/images/free_pin-lg.jpg
And that's just the beginning of your journey into Buzzdom!
Don't forget to purchase several copies of Buzz's book: "Magnificent
Desolation", which make great Christmas gifts!
And in fact, any StarBuzz licensed item makes a great gift!:
http://buzzaldrin.com/?q=hero
It may have been one small step for Neal, but it was one giant marketing
opportunity for Buzz.

Pat

* And I mean that financially.

I take it you have a problem with any and all celebrities using their name
to market, endorse and sell products?

Peter Cushing's Ghost wrote:

It may have been one small step for Neal, but it was one giant
marketing opportunity for Buzz.

Pat

* And I mean that financially.

I take it you have a problem with any and all celebrities using their
name to market, endorse and sell products?

Yes.
Especially Rocket Heroes.
The problem is that he considers himself a "celebrity" rather than
someone who did something historic at great expense to the taxpayer.
His antics cheapen him, Project Apollo, and NASA in general.

Luckily, I have a solution...NASA must establish a "Sandman" division
that terminates astronauts with extreme prejudice if age, greed, ego, or
craziness makes their behavior become erratic and embarrassing to the
agency.
These terminations must be handled carefully, so that there is plausible
deniability, but a clear warning is sent to other members of the
astronaut corps that they had better shape up and fly right or they too
will soon be "retired".
For instance, Aldrin may be found dead in his bathroom after apparently
trying to shave with a machete and slipping on a bar of soap into a
bathtub that he was using to raise piranhas.
I know this suggestion may not be popular, but it is for the
astronaut's, NASA's, and our nation's own good. ;-)

Pat

"Pat Flannery" sez:

I take it you have a problem with any and all celebrities using their
name to market, endorse and sell products?

Yes.
Especially Rocket Heroes.
The problem is that he considers himself a "celebrity" rather than someone
who did something historic at great expense to the taxpayer.
His antics cheapen him, Project Apollo, and NASA in general.

Please. What "cheapens" NASA is preventable incidents like the two Space
Shuttle losses and the Apollo 1 fire and their ongoing waste of taxpayer's
money on the Ares program just for starters. Not to mention recent tabloid
antics like the "Diapernaut" love triangle and kidnapping attempt.

Guys like Aldrin who did their time with honor and distinction in the space
program, are for all intents and purposes retired and wholly entitled to
write books, endorse products and basically do whatever they want even if
that trades on their status as former astronauts. It's not like they have
spectacular retirement pensions from the space program. It's absolutely
absurd to deny these people the right to make an income as retired NASA
employees. That's good ol' USA style capitalism.

If the worst thing you can rag on Aldrin about is using his likeness to
promote Apollo model kits, the guy's a saint compared to those in charge of
OK'ing the Challenger launch on that cold January morning in '88.

"David Spain" wrote in message
...

OTOH, why do I have the sneaky suspicion that when it's all said and done,
we'll find that we're spending the same on Orion/Aries ops that we spend
on
shuttle ops today?


I think we'll be lucky if it's only that much. :-/

Honestly, I don't think we'll see any savings. KSC is expensive. If there
was a higher flight rate, the fixed costs would be spread out more. But
with Orion, I suspect we'll have as few flights as we do now.


Dave



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Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:


I think we'll be lucky if it's only that much. :-/

Honestly, I don't think we'll see any savings.


I don't think we are going to see any Ares/Orion for that matter.

Pat

"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
dakotatelephone...
Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:


I think we'll be lucky if it's only that much. :-/

Honestly, I don't think we'll see any savings.


I don't think we are going to see any Ares/Orion for that matter.

Pat

True.

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