NEW COSMOLOGY?

On 26 Juli, 18:42, "Androcles" wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message

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Your alternative to an explanation of the world is no explanation at all?

Better that than a wrong one.
Your alternative to parents is Santa put the prezzies under the tree?

Hello Headmaster Androcles which ships laser reach the monkey deity
first in example below(Accoring to relativity).

I have no doubt that in your mind and my emission theory will answer
traveller A.

And isn't it funny though they claim (*ANSWER FROM ABOVE HERE*), each
laser will travel at invariant at "c" relative each observer(According
to relativity).

When they in fact each laser will travel different distance relative
each emitter (A,B and C) during same time period in the monkey frame.
(In relativity not emitter theory)

I don't think i know theyre measure tools lacks global validity. I am
sure they can find better use for their bananas.

JT

On 26 Juli, 19:59, JT wrote:
On 26 Juli, 18:42, "Androcles" wrote:

"Leon" wrote in message

...

Your alternative to an explanation of the world is no explanation at all?

Better that than a wrong one.
Your alternative to parents is Santa put the prezzies under the tree?

Hello Headmaster Androcles which ships laser reach the monkey deity
first in example below(Accoring to relativity).

I have no doubt that in your mind and my emission theory will answer
traveller A.

And isn't it funny though they claim (*ANSWER FROM ABOVE HERE*), each
laser will travel at invariant at "c" relative each observer(According
to relativity).

When they in fact each laser will travel different distance relative
each emitter (A,B and C) during same time period in the monkey frame.
(In relativity not emitter theory)

I don't think i know theyre measure tools lacks global validity. I am
sure they can find better use for their bananas.

JT

Oh i forgot they are receding from monkey deity hehehe, because in
emiter theory and any other theory *THE SIGN ACTYALLY MATTER*.

But in special relativity it does not matter f the ships approaching
or receding the monkey deity wull synchronise the beams by will and
make sure all beans will travek uniform to reach the object. And yet
travel 300 000 km relative each ship. It is so amazing that they all
have travelled 300 000 km but have different lengts of their
lightpaths, and also ignorant stupid to beleive that a length is a
measurement dependent on clocks.

But the ****ers standardised it that way, just to butt**** themself
all over with the banana.

JT

Androcles schreef:
"Leon" wrote in message
...

Your alternative to an explanation of the world is no explanation at all?

Better that than a wrong one.
Your alternative to parents is Santa put the prezzies under the tree?

I don't agree. It's better to have an explanation than none.
And relativity explains quite a lot.

JT schreef:

You are confused. You cannot have information coming from one world at
different speeds. This would result in having different worlds at the
same time. As long as an observer is restricted to one universe that is.

No you are the confused one, all noneaccelerated observers do assume
to be at rest in SR.

It is not relevant.

So observers travelling at A=0.3c, B=0.6c , C=0.9c relative to monkey
deity, will measure different timing for extinction of it, assuming
the implosion ot the airfilled ballon take 3 sec of local monkey time,
each oberver will measure it to take different time. This is
"according to relativity".

These are only thought experiments, because no one can travel these
speeds. The thought behind it is that information, to reach any point in
space, has a maximum speed, so that you cannot have both information
about an event in a spot and not have the information about an event at
the same spot.

There is only one event but three different timings of it.

One for each observer, if not at rest worth eachother.
But the real problem is the beleif light travel at c, it trash
causality.

It is easy to see if the three ships shoots the monkey deity when
they *ALL* are at a distance of 1 lightsecond, 300 000 km according to
the monkey deities measurement and clock. When they all line up is
event in monkeyframe.

The first uestion is raised which ships laser will reach the inflated
monkey deity ballon first.
*FEEL FREE TO ANSWER*

Information travelling towards you about the hit of the ballon will take
it's time. The three lasers will reach the ballon at the same time. But
an observer might see the event before anyone else will see it. When you
have two observers close together there will be not anyone who has the
information, that the ballon was hit, faster than the other.

And the second question is how can each ship measure it's own laser to
be fired at 300 000 km relative them.

*FEEL FREE TO ANSWER*

Laserlight will travel at the same speed independent to you're own
speed. It may seem to be slower though. The trick is to always
incalculate a roundtrip for information. The laser will reach the
ballon, the information about this will travel back. When you calculate
the speeds, they will be constant (for the roundtrip).


Omly local monkey meters and monkey pocke****ches will solve that
problem.

BECAUSE LIGHT DO NOT TRAVEL INVARIANT THRU SPACE, according to
relativity each observer will measure it to do so though, USING MONKEY
METERS AND POCKET WATCHES.

I understand the problem, but you should not try to focus on measurement
of the speed itself, but on the calculation of the speed in a roundtrip.

On 26 Juli, 20:25, Leon wrote:
Androcles schreef:

"Leon" wrote in message
...

Your alternative to an explanation of the world is no explanation at all?

Better that than a wrong one.
Your alternative to parents is Santa put the prezzies under the tree?

I don't agree. It's better to have an explanation than none.
And relativity explains quite a lot.

Explanation to what exactly.

JT

On 26 Juli, 20:37, Leon wrote:
JT schreef:

You are confused. You cannot have information coming from one world at
different speeds. This would result in having different worlds at the
same time. As long as an observer is restricted to one universe that is.

No you are the confused one, all noneaccelerated observers do assume
to be at rest in SR.

It is not relevant.

Oh sure it is it the main thesis with special relativity, no frame is
prefered.

So observers travelling at A=0.3c, B=0.6c , C=0.9c *relative to monkey
deity, will measure different timing for extinction of it, assuming
the implosion ot the airfilled ballon take 3 sec of local monkey time,
each oberver will measure it to take different time. This is
"according to relativity".

These are only thought experiments, because no one can travel these
speeds.

Oh that is actually irrelevant for a logical thought experiment. The
speed does not even matter it is the principle. So you are wrong here
to.

The thought behind it is that information, to reach any point in
space, has a maximum speed, so that you cannot have both information
about an event in a spot and not have the information about an event at
the same spot.

In special relativity it actually do not need to take time to travel
from point A and B, i told you so. The maximum speed is is measured by
the observer.


There is only one event but three different timings of it.

One for each observer, if not at rest worth eachother.
But the real problem is the beleif light travel at c, it trash
causality.

It is easy to see if the three ships *shoots the monkey deity when
they *ALL* are at a distance of 1 lightsecond, 300 000 km according to
the monkey deities measurement and clock. When they all line up is
event in monkeyframe.

The first uestion is raised which ships laser will reach the inflated
monkey deity ballon first.
*FEEL FREE TO ANSWER*

Information travelling towards you about the hit of the ballon will take
it's time.
That was not the question and is not relevant.....

But the answer would be obvious if you were not having your head up
your ass or measuring with a banana.
*THE SHOPS WAS AT 300 000 km distance*

This question just for you... how long time will it take before the
lasers hit the inflated ballon as measured in the monkey frame. HINT
the answer is obvious

The three lasers will reach the ballon at the same time.

Bravo!!!! Applause you answered a question using special relativity

But an observer might see the event before anyone else will see it.

I did not ask for that so it is not really interesting.

When you have two observers close together there will be not anyone who has the
information, that the ballon was hit, faster than the other.

It does not matter in this case, that was not the question.


And the second question is how can each ship measure it's own laser to
be fired at 300 000 km relative them.

*FEEL FREE TO ANSWER*

Laserlight will travel at the same speed independent to you're own
speed.

You did not answer the question.

But you do understand my question? How can there be different
distances between each ship and respective laserbeam front?

Or do you say it is not?

How long should each beam have travelled from each ship after 1 second
in the monkey deities frame?
*ANSWER GO HERE*

Can you see they travelled different distances relative each ship,
during the second?

Can you see they did not travel invariant?

Can you see they travelled different lengths/distances during the
second.

Can you see that the neccesity of banana rulers and pocket watches in
each frame.

Do this notion of timings and distances make sense to you, do you
still think that light travel invariant at c,

It may seem to be slower though. The trick is to always
incalculate a roundtrip for information. The laser will reach the
ballon, the information about this will travel back. When you calculate
the speeds, they will be constant (for the roundtrip).

Well the roundtrip is not interesting only the distances after 1
second and they prove, invariant light at c wrong.


Omly local monkey meters and monkey pocke****ches will solve that
problem.

BECAUSE LIGHT DO NOT TRAVEL INVARIANT THRU SPACE, according to
relativity each observer will measure it to do so though, USING MONKEY
METERS AND POCKET WATCHES.

I understand the problem, but you should not try to focus on measurement
of the speed itself, but on the calculation of the speed in a roundtrip.

No i focus on the distances the light travelled under 1 second in the
monkey deities frame, and it is a different distance for each ship.
Light do not travel invariant at c you anr the rest of monkeys is
simply wrong i just did prove it.


JT

JT schreef:
On 26 Juli, 20:25, Leon wrote:
Androcles schreef:

"Leon" wrote in message
...
Your alternative to an explanation of the world is no explanation at all?
Better that than a wrong one.
Your alternative to parents is Santa put the prezzies under the tree?
I don't agree. It's better to have an explanation than none.
And relativity explains quite a lot.

Explanation to what exactly.

Why an observer may see something as first happening, while another
observer might see another thing as first happening.

JT schreef:

You are confused. You cannot have information coming from one world at
different speeds. This would result in having different worlds at the
same time. As long as an observer is restricted to one universe that is.
No you are the confused one, all noneaccelerated observers do assume
to be at rest in SR.
It is not relevant.

Oh sure it is it the main thesis with special relativity, no frame is
prefered.

It's not relevant for the question why there is a maximum speed.


So observers travelling at A=0.3c, B=0.6c , C=0.9c relative to monkey
deity, will measure different timing for extinction of it, assuming
the implosion ot the airfilled ballon take 3 sec of local monkey time,
each oberver will measure it to take different time. This is
"according to relativity".
These are only thought experiments, because no one can travel these
speeds.

Oh that is actually irrelevant for a logical thought experiment. The
speed does not even matter it is the principle. So you are wrong here
to.

I wanted to point out where the thought experiment was pointing at. You
commit a red-hering fallacy.

The thought behind it is that information, to reach any point in
space, has a maximum speed, so that you cannot have both information
about an event in a spot and not have the information about an event at
the same spot.

In special relativity it actually do not need to take time to travel
from point A and B, i told you so. The maximum speed is is measured by
the observer.

The observer has to have the information of an event far off. So there
is a roundtrip.


There is only one event but three different timings of it.
One for each observer, if not at rest worth eachother.
But the real problem is the beleif light travel at c, it trash
causality.
It is easy to see if the three ships shoots the monkey deity when
they *ALL* are at a distance of 1 lightsecond, 300 000 km according to
the monkey deities measurement and clock. When they all line up is
event in monkeyframe.
The first uestion is raised which ships laser will reach the inflated
monkey deity ballon first.
*FEEL FREE TO ANSWER*
Information travelling towards you about the hit of the ballon will take
it's time.
That was not the question and is not relevant.....

It's absolutely relevant for the question why there is a maximum speed.

But the answer would be obvious if you were not having your head up
your ass or measuring with a banana.
*THE SHOPS WAS AT 300 000 km distance*

Don't invent shops all of a sudden.

This question just for you... how long time will it take before the
lasers hit the inflated ballon as measured in the monkey frame. HINT
the answer is obvious

The three lasers will reach the ballon at the same time.

Bravo!!!! Applause you answered a question using special relativity

But an observer might see the event before anyone else will see it.

I did not ask for that so it is not really interesting.

You are only intersted in the idea that you know better than Einstein.

When you have two observers close together there will be not anyone who has the
information, that the ballon was hit, faster than the other.

It does not matter in this case, that was not the question.

It was, the question was about a maximum speed. How would the world be,
when the person next to me would recieve information at higher speeds
than me He would see the ballon blow, and I only moments later. Would
that make sence?


And the second question is how can each ship measure it's own laser to
be fired at 300 000 km relative them.
*FEEL FREE TO ANSWER*
Laserlight will travel at the same speed independent to you're own
speed.

You did not answer the question.

I did, you measure the distance the laser travels, and the time of the
roundtrip of information about the event to be back at your place. You
then divide the distance with the time. The best experiment would be a
laser firing at a mirror and the ballon near the observer.

But you do understand my question? How can there be different
distances between each ship and respective laserbeam front?

Or do you say it is not?

How can there be a distance between the earth and the moon?

How long should each beam have travelled from each ship after 1 second
in the monkey deities frame?
*ANSWER GO HERE*

The information about the covered distance will reach the observer.
Let's say you count stripes. Independent of the speed of the observer
the stripes have a fixed distance. The event of the laser reaching the
20th stripe will reach the observer in exactly this time where the
distance of 40 stripes is covered at the speed of light.


Can you see they travelled different distances relative each ship,
during the second?

When you stick to one observer's story no. When we take different
stories from different observers yes.


Can you see they did not travel invariant?

I don't know what you mean by invariant. When an observer travels at
high speed and sends out a beam, the speed of the observer will have no
influence on the speed of the beam. The tip of the laser is visible to
the observer after a roundtrip of the light. When calculated the
travelled distance and time will give the speed of light. Relative the
speed of beam would be less than the speed of light, but the light needs
to travel back to the observer too. The covered distance and time will
give the speed of light.


Can you see they travelled different lengths/distances during the
second.

Only relative for the observer, not when calculated with real covered
distances.

"JT" wrote in message
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On 26 Juli, 18:42, "Androcles" wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message

...

Your alternative to an explanation of the world is no explanation at
all?

Better that than a wrong one.
Your alternative to parents is Santa put the prezzies under the tree?

Hello Headmaster Androcles which ships laser reach the monkey deity
first in example below(Accoring to relativity).

I have no doubt that in your mind and my emission theory will answer
traveller A.

*YOUR* emission theory? Do tell.




And isn't it funny though they claim (*ANSWER FROM ABOVE HERE*), each
laser will travel at invariant at "c" relative each observer(According
to relativity).

When they in fact each laser will travel different distance relative
each emitter (A,B and C) during same time period in the monkey frame.
(In relativity not emitter theory)

I don't think i know theyre measure tools lacks global validity. I am
sure they can find better use for their bananas.

JT

"JT" wrote in message
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On 26 Juli, 19:59, JT wrote:
On 26 Juli, 18:42, "Androcles" wrote:

"Leon" wrote in message

...

Your alternative to an explanation of the world is no explanation at
all?

Better that than a wrong one.
Your alternative to parents is Santa put the prezzies under the tree?

Hello Headmaster Androcles which ships laser reach the monkey deity
first in example below(Accoring to relativity).

I have no doubt that in your mind and my emission theory will answer
traveller A.

And isn't it funny though they claim (*ANSWER FROM ABOVE HERE*), each
laser will travel at invariant at "c" relative each observer(According
to relativity).

When they in fact each laser will travel different distance relative
each emitter (A,B and C) during same time period in the monkey frame.
(In relativity not emitter theory)

I don't think i know theyre measure tools lacks global validity. I am
sure they can find better use for their bananas.

JT

Oh i forgot they are receding from monkey deity hehehe, because in
emiter theory and any other theory *THE SIGN ACTYALLY MATTER*.

Actyally, huh?