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Old October 19th 08, 03:13 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Double A Fabric of space is very strong,but gravity is stronger
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Old October 19th 08, 03:15 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Only infinite density could produce an infinitely powerfulvacuum.

Jeff What is an infinite vacuum?

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Old October 19th 08, 04:08 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Only a virtual ( unreal ) event horizon has infinite energy.

You asked me: “ What is an infinite vacuum ? ”.

An “ infinitely Powerful vacuum ” takes infinite energy to create;
and only a virtual ( unreal ) event horizon has infinite energy.

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Old October 19th 08, 05:49 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote...
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Double A Fabric of space is very strong,but gravity is stronger
TreBert


TB, you're not seriously meaning that you think there
are such things as "singularities", are you? I mean,
how can "infinite mass" fit into "zero volume"?

Okay, i get that neutron stars are compressed matter,
so compressed that the atoms have sort of been
"squished" and the matter of the star is mostly just
neutrons. And i get that neutrons pack a whole lot of
mass into a very small volume. And i also get that a
black hole compresses even more mass than a neutron
star into an even smaller volume.

But i don't get an infinite mass compressed into a zero
volume (singularity). For me, it's one of the things that
ruins the BB theories.

I have toyed with the idea of a photon being an infinite
mass compressed into a zero volume, which would be
why we can only sense it as an itty bitty quantum, a
particle-like wave that usually moves real fast. But no,
it's just too much of a stretch for me.

My idea of mass is that it must always, by nature, take
up some volume. It always has a limited (never infinite)
nature. And while i can visualize a "zero volume", i find
it very hard picturing it being filled with anything. Just
don't make sense to me.

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Old October 19th 08, 08:29 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Only infinite density could produce an infinitely powerfulvacuum.

On Oct 19, 12:06 am, Jeff$B"%(BRelf wrote:
Only infinite density could produce an infinitely powerful vacuum,
neither could exist, neither could be measured.



Would vacuum be measured in units of suck?

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Old October 19th 08, 08:31 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Oct 19, 7:13*am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
Double A *Fabric of space is very strong,but gravity is stronger
TreBert



When gravity comes up against the quantum forces at the Planck scale,
the quantum forces are stronger.

Double-A

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Old October 19th 08, 08:36 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Oct 19, 9:49*am, "Painius" wrote:
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Double A *Fabric of space is very strong,but gravity is stronger
TreBert


TB, you're not seriously meaning that you think there
are such things as "singularities", are you? *I mean,
how can "infinite mass" fit into "zero volume"?



Bert likes to dream about such things.


Okay, i get that neutron stars are compressed matter,
so compressed that the atoms have sort of been
"squished" and the matter of the star is mostly just
neutrons. *And i get that neutrons pack a whole lot of
mass into a very small volume. *And i also get that a
black hole compresses even more mass than a neutron
star into an even smaller volume.

But i don't get an infinite mass compressed into a zero
volume (singularity). For me, it's one of the things that
ruins the BB theories.

I have toyed with the idea of a photon being an infinite
mass compressed into a zero volume, which would be
why we can only sense it as an itty bitty quantum, a
particle-like wave that usually moves real fast. *But no,
it's just too much of a stretch for me.

My idea of mass is that it must always, by nature, take
up some volume. It always has a limited (never infinite)
nature. *And while i can visualize a "zero volume", i find
it very hard picturing it being filled with anything. *Just
don't make sense to me.

happy days and...
* *starry starry nights!



Right!

Double-A

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Old October 19th 08, 09:39 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Oct 14, 1:08*pm, "Hagar" wrote:
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1.
A black hole is a theoretical region of space in which the
gravitational field *is so powerful that nothing can escape.

I was doing a really Big Bang on a Black Hole some time ago ...
unfortunately, her husband came home prematurely and I had to scoot through
the bathroom window ... big mofo he was, to boot ....


No singularity.

Mitch Raemsch
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Old October 20th 08, 12:12 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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Default Only infinite density could produce an infinitely powerfulvacuum.

On Oct 19, 7:15 am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
Jeff What is an infinite vacuum?


Good grief. Try zero atoms/km3

Can a photon pass or migrate through an absolute vacuum of zero atoms/
km3?

~ BG
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Old October 20th 08, 12:13 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Oct 19, 7:13 am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
Double A Fabric of space is very strong,but gravity is stronger
TreBert


The force of electrostatic attraction is even stronger than gravity.

Try to imagine how many teraVolts our Selene/moon is charged up with.

~ BG
 




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