The Mirror Universe

Dear Zanthius:

"Zanthius" wrote in message
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On 18 Mai, 22:26, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)"
wrote:
Photons have anti-particles (other photons).
Systems of photons (that means more than
one photon) have rest mass (in their center
of momentum frame). Photons contribute to
gravitation.

Really? I didn't know. So the if the entire solar
system was converted into photons, it would
contribute just as much to gravitation as it
does now?

Until the photons were no longer located "inside" the particular
place you are measuring gravitation from.

Isn't it quite strange that any particle has an
anti-particle? I suppose that would apply to
gravitons too...

If gravitons exist, I am sure the anti-gravitons
would be in the gravitational field of the
anti-matter.

No, anti-matter gravitates normally. But if there are
gravitons...

David A. Smith

"dead" wrote in message...
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On May 19, 12:30 am, Zanthius wrote:

http://www.archania.org/entanglement...ng_gravity.jpg

nice picture. north isn't up its a convention i like to see australia
on top... its whacky but i keep my world map the southside up and try
to think like that.

Omigod! "Polar bias"!

A bigotry for the coming age? g

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine

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On 18 Mai, 23:27, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" wrote:
Until the photons were no longer located "inside" the particular
place you are measuring gravitation from.

Everything is in constant movement, this includes our solar system in
its present state.

But if you had the photons synchronized to go together in the same
direction, they would carry the gravitational field of our solar
system with them?

On Sun, 18 May 2008 14:27:13 -0700, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)"
wrote:

gravitons...

CERN is looking for just that.

Carry on!

plonk

On 18 Mai, 23:27, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" wrote:
No, anti-matter gravitates normally. But if there are
gravitons...

I don't associate gravity with gravitons, but rather spacetime with a
kind of substance that is contracted by gravity, and according to this
view, anti-gravity would simply be "stretching" of spacetime, rather
than "contraction" of spacetime.

Dear Zanthius:
"Zanthius" wrote in message
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On 18 Mai, 23:27, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)"
wrote:
Until the photons were no longer located "inside"
the particular place you are measuring gravitation
from.

Everything is in constant movement, this includes
our solar system in its present state.

But if you had the photons synchronized to go
together in the same direction,

Oops! "Center of momentum frame" implies that there are
different momenta, that the photons are *absolutely not* directed
all in the same direction.

they would carry the gravitational field of our solar
system with them?

Until they passed any particular location.

Imagine you were orbitting a massive object. Imagine you rigged
the massive object to "blow" every bit of itself in every
direction, all out past your orbit. Until some of the pieces
passed your orbital radius, you would realize no change in your
orbit.

It can just happen faster if the "pieces" are photons.

David A. Smith

Dear Zanthius:

"Zanthius" wrote in message
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On 18 Mai, 23:27, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)"
wrote:
No, anti-matter gravitates normally. But if there
are gravitons...

I don't associate gravity with gravitons, but rather
spacetime with a kind of substance that is
contracted by gravity, and according to this
view, anti-gravity would simply be "stretching" of
spacetime, rather than "contraction" of spacetime.

Quantum mechanics requires an actor to mediate gravity. This
would be the graviton. So I guess the graviton could be its own
anti-particle?

Anyway, eventually a graviton will also have to model / mediate
spacetime. How successfully...

David A. Smith

On 19 Mai, 00:15, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" wrote:
It can just happen faster if the "pieces" are photons.

Isn't gravitational information propagated at lightspeed anyhow?

Dear Zanthius:

"Zanthius" wrote in message
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On 19 Mai, 00:15, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)"
wrote:
It can just happen faster if the "pieces" are
photons.

Isn't gravitational information propagated at
lightspeed anyhow?

In the theory that has spacetime as no type of "stuff" to be
warped, that is how it comes out of the math. As to your
"flavor", no telling how fast gravitational changes propagate.

Generating a significant test is problematic. Gravitational
effects from / by things we can annihilate are undetectable,
except perhaps over centuries...

David A. Smith

On May 19, 5:30*am, "Painius" wrote:
"dead" wrote in message...

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On May 19, 12:30 am, Zanthius wrote:

http://www.archania.org/entanglement...ng_gravity.jpg

nice picture. north isn't up its a convention i like to see australia
on top... its whacky but i keep my world map the southside up and try
to think like that.

Omigod! *"Polar bias"!

A bigotry for the coming age? *g

happy days and...
* *starry starry nights!



the stars are up tonight. should see the upper southern cross from up
here.

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine

*P.S. Thank YOU for reading!

* * P.P.S. Some secret sites (shh)...
* * * *http://painellsworth.net
* * * * * * *http://savethechildren.org
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *http://eBook-eDen.secretsgolden.com