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Old January 22nd 08, 02:23 AM posted to sci.space.history, sci.space.policy
gaetanomarano
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On 22 Gen, 03:02, (Rand Simberg) wrote:

http://www.transterrestrial.com/archives/2005_11.html


my hundreds 2005's critics (always documented with data and analysis)
vs. your critics look like a B-52 bomber vs. a water gun...

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Old January 22nd 08, 01:22 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)
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"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
...

I generally allow freedom of speech on my blog. Particularly when I
agree with it.


Oh wow... the irony.



THEN, FINALLY, YOU AND OTHER "SPACE GURU" DISCOVER THAT THE ESAS PLAN
HAS LOTS OF DESIGN FLAWS...


I've been saying that ESAS was flawed from the day it was announced,
you idiot.


Yeah, but then again so have most of us. :-)


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Old January 22nd 08, 02:03 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
Rand Simberg[_1_]
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:22:21 -0500, in a place far, far away, "Greg D.
Moore \(Strider\)" made the phosphor
on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
...

I generally allow freedom of speech on my blog. Particularly when I
agree with it.


Oh wow... the irony.


What irony would that be?
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Old January 22nd 08, 07:06 PM posted to sci.space.history, sci.space.policy
Eric Chomko[_2_]
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On Jan 21, 7:53*pm, (Rand Simberg)
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:15:23 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
gaetanomarano made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:





On 21 Gen, 14:19, (Rand Simberg) wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:55:45 -0600, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:


You make heads or tails of this mess:
http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/20...internall.html


Whoever the new president is will have to deal with this. *The first
thing that I'd do is form a commission to review the "analysis" that
led to ESAS. *I suspect that they'll find that the sixty-day study was
extremely flawed and driven by the biases of its participants (Mike's
OSC mafia and Horowitz), and that it ignored all of the data provided
by the CE&R contracts.


MAYBE... SOMEDAY... SOMEONE WILL ADMITS I WAS RIGHT IN ALL MY ARTICLES
AND POSTS ON FORUMS AND BLOGS...


JUST SEARCH AND READ MY 1500+ POSTS ON UPLINK.SPACE.COM WRITTEN IN THE
LAST MONTHS OF 2005 WHEN WE HAD ONLY A FEW INFO ABOUT THE ESAS PLAN
(PUBLISHED AT THE END OF 2005) AND YOU CAN DISCOVER THAT ALL THE
PROBLEMS OF THE ESAS PLAN'S DESIGN FLAWS, HIGH COSTS, VERY LONG
TIMELINE, ETC. WAS ALREADY PREDICTED AND EXPLAINED 2.5 YEARS AGO !!!


THE SAME FOR MY FEW POSTS ON NSF


BOTH BANNED ME WHEN THEY HAVE SEEN THAT I DON'T OBEY TO THEIR DICTATS
ABOUT THE OPINIONS I CAN OR I CAN'T POST (SINCE I WRITE WHAT I SAY AND
I SAY WHAT I THINK) AND I'M NOT A SUPPORTER OF THEIR OWN "DIRECT-
LOBBY"


YOU, ALSO, HAS ALLOWED THE USERS OF YOUR BLOG TO POST INSULTS AGAINST
ME WITHOUT DELETE THEM (LIKE DONE SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE LINKS TO MY
"DISLIKED" ARCGUMENTS' ARTICLES...)


I generally allow freedom of speech on my blog. *Particularly when I
agree with it.


So, if you DON'T agree with a post, generally, then you deserve the
right to censor it as well, right?

I'm just taking your logic and reversing it.


THEN, FINALLY, YOU AND OTHER "SPACE GURU" DISCOVER THAT THE ESAS PLAN
HAS LOTS OF DESIGN FLAWS...


I've been saying that ESAS was flawed from the day it was announced,
you idiot.


Cite?


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Old January 22nd 08, 07:16 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
Rand Simberg[_1_]
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:06:32 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
Eric Chomko made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:


YOU, ALSO, HAS ALLOWED THE USERS OF YOUR BLOG TO POST INSULTS AGAINST
ME WITHOUT DELETE THEM (LIKE DONE SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE LINKS TO MY
"DISLIKED" ARCGUMENTS' ARTICLES...)


I generally allow freedom of speech on my blog. *Particularly when I
agree with it.


So, if you DON'T agree with a post, generally, then you deserve the
right to censor it as well, right?


I reserve the right to "censor" every post, you moron. It's my blog.
It's a right that I rarely employ, regardless of whether I agree or
disagree, as many frustrated commenters, who wish I policed the place
better, will tell you.

I'm just taking your logic and reversing it.


No, you're not. You're simply demonstrating your inability to employ
logic.
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Old January 22nd 08, 07:29 PM posted to sci.space.history, sci.space.policy
Eric Chomko[_2_]
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On Jan 22, 2:16*pm, (Rand Simberg)
wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:06:32 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
Eric Chomko made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

YOU, ALSO, HAS ALLOWED THE USERS OF YOUR BLOG TO POST INSULTS AGAINST
ME WITHOUT DELETE THEM (LIKE DONE SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE LINKS TO MY
"DISLIKED" ARCGUMENTS' ARTICLES...)


I generally allow freedom of speech on my blog. *Particularly when I
agree with it.


So, if you DON'T agree with a post, generally, then you deserve the
right to censor it as well, right?


I reserve the right to "censor" every post, you moron.


Then your blog is crap by your own admission. You aren't qualified to
be a fair moderator.

*It's my blog.


Right, like I said... crap.

It's a right that I rarely employ, regardless of whether I agree or
disagree, as many frustrated commenters, who wish I policed the place
better, will tell you.


Police the place? Yeah, it figures...


I'm just taking your logic and reversing it.


No, you're not. *You're simply demonstrating your inability to employ
logic.


No, you bascially admit that you set the rules. That is why I like it
here. No rules.

You know what you can do with your rules...
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Old January 22nd 08, 12:59 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
kT
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gaetanomarano wrote:
On 21 Gen, 14:19, (Rand Simberg) wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:55:45 -0600, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

You make heads or tails of this mess:
http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/20...internall.html

Whoever the new president is will have to deal with this. The first
thing that I'd do is form a commission to review the "analysis" that
led to ESAS. I suspect that they'll find that the sixty-day study was
extremely flawed and driven by the biases of its participants (Mike's
OSC mafia and Horowitz), and that it ignored all of the data provided
by the CE&R contracts.


MAYBE... SOMEDAY... SOMEONE WILL ADMITS I WAS RIGHT IN ALL MY ARTICLES
AND POSTS ON FORUMS AND BLOGS...

JUST SEARCH AND READ MY 1500+ POSTS ON UPLINK.SPACE.COM WRITTEN IN THE
LAST MONTHS OF 2005 WHEN WE HAD ONLY A FEW INFO ABOUT THE ESAS PLAN
(PUBLISHED AT THE END OF 2005) AND YOU CAN DISCOVER THAT ALL THE
PROBLEMS OF THE ESAS PLAN'S DESIGN FLAWS, HIGH COSTS, VERY LONG
TIMELINE, ETC. WAS ALREADY PREDICTED AND EXPLAINED 2.5 YEARS AGO !!!

THE SAME FOR MY FEW POSTS ON NSF

BOTH BANNED ME WHEN THEY HAVE SEEN THAT I DON'T OBEY TO THEIR DICTATS
ABOUT THE OPINIONS I CAN OR I CAN'T POST (SINCE I WRITE WHAT I SAY AND
I SAY WHAT I THINK) AND I'M NOT A SUPPORTER OF THEIR OWN "DIRECT-
LOBBY"

YOU, ALSO, HAS ALLOWED THE USERS OF YOUR BLOG TO POST INSULTS AGAINST
ME WITHOUT DELETE THEM (LIKE DONE SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE LINKS TO MY
"DISLIKED" ARCGUMENTS' ARTICLES...)

THEN, FINALLY, YOU AND OTHER "SPACE GURU" DISCOVER THAT THE ESAS PLAN
HAS LOTS OF DESIGN FLAWS...


You know they're starting to lose it when they go all caps.

He Geronimo, doesn't Italy have a space program? I know Italy has a lot
of really smart and clever physicists in Italy, I have a lot of friends
in the physics community. And you guys essentially even have your own
launcher, Vega, which is almost identical to the ATK Athena III in form.

So rather than losing your mind, why don't you put it to good use.
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Old January 22nd 08, 01:15 AM posted to sci.space.history, sci.space.policy
gaetanomarano
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On 22 Gen, 01:59, kT wrote:

He Geronimo, doesn't Italy have a space program? I know Italy has a lot
of really smart and clever physicists in Italy, I have a lot of friends
in the physics community. And you guys essentially even have your own
launcher, Vega, which is almost identical to the ATK Athena III in form.


many ISS modules are made in Italy and Italy is the 3rd contributor to
the ESA and Arianespace funds

a man-rated Ariane5 itself could be good to launch manned vehicles,
but, unfortunately, the "quiet europeans" was and are not enough brave
to do what USA, Russia and (now) China has already done

about the VEGA ...it's the new COTS' ATK/LockMart launcher that looks
pretty close to it...

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Old January 22nd 08, 01:30 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
kT
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gaetanomarano wrote:
On 22 Gen, 01:59, kT wrote:

He Geronimo, doesn't Italy have a space program? I know Italy has a lot
of really smart and clever physicists in Italy, I have a lot of friends
in the physics community. And you guys essentially even have your own
launcher, Vega, which is almost identical to the ATK Athena III in form.


many ISS modules are made in Italy and Italy is the 3rd contributor to
the ESA and Arianespace funds

a man-rated Ariane5 itself could be good to launch manned vehicles,
but, unfortunately, the "quiet europeans" was and are not enough brave
to do what USA, Russia and (now) China has already done

about the VEGA ...it's the new COTS' ATK/LockMart launcher that looks
pretty close to it...


So why don't you put your great mind to work rather than lamenting on
how the Americans stole all your ideas. You should be ashamed because
the Americans are failing in launch vehicle architecture design, it's
nothing much to be proud of that they got all their ideas from you.
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Old January 22nd 08, 01:48 AM posted to sci.space.history, sci.space.policy
gaetanomarano
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On 22 Gen, 02:30, kT wrote:

how the Americans stole all your ideas.


NEVER said that !!!

I've just published (and publish) my ideas on my website and blog
(than, on several space forums and blogs)

it's NOT my guilty, if, months of years AFTER me, others (no matter if
in USA or Europe or other countries) have my SAME idea

probably, it always is a coincidence...

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