OT - Jimmy Carter sets the nation straight

Quadibloc wrote:

On Jan 19, 12:27 pm, kT wrote:

And you fascists will be right in there with them.

How is it fascist to oppose the cruel murder of thousands of
completely innocent people, going innocently about their daily
business, out of a clear blue sky?

By invading a country not involved in said clear blue sky operation, at
a cost of trillions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of innocent
civilians and nearly 4000 US troops. Very clearly fascist, American.

When bad things like that happen, ordinary reasonable people, not
"fascists", expect to see to it that they will never happen again.

By inflicting horrors on other civilians, an order of magnitude worse.

You are a fascist and a war criminal American.

That is how the world views you now.

Heckava job there, Georgie.

On Jan 30, 5:43 am, kT wrote:
Quadibloc wrote:
On Jan 19, 12:27 pm, kT wrote:

And you fascists will be right in there with them.

How is it fascist to oppose the cruel murder of thousands of
completely innocent people, going innocently about their daily
business, out of a clear blue sky?

By invading a country not involved in said clear blue sky operation, at
a cost of trillions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of innocent
civilians and nearly 4000 US troops. Very clearly fascist, American.

When bad things like that happen, ordinary reasonable people, not
"fascists", expect to see to it that they will never happen again.

By inflicting horrors on other civilians, an order of magnitude worse.

You are a fascist and a war criminal American.

That is how the world views you now.

Heckava job there, Georgie.

Read this, based on interviews with ex Iraqi gowernment officials, how
crazy was Saddam in fact: "The authors are - Kevin Woods, James Lacey,
and Williamson Murray":
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/200605...he-inside.html

The full text of the IPP report:
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/special/iraq/ipp.pdf

The website of USJFCOM
http://www.jfcom.mil/newslink/storya...6/pa032406.htm


"Summary: A special, double-length article from the upcoming May/June
issue of Foreign Affairs, presenting key excerpts from the recently
declassified book-length report of the USJFCOM Iraqi Perspectives
Project."

"Kevin Woods is a defense analyst in Washington, D.C. James Lacey is a
military analyst for the U.S. Joint Forces Command. Williamson Murray
is Class of 1957 Distinguished Visiting Professor of History at the
U.S. Naval Academy. Along with Mark Stout and Michael Pease, they were
the principal participants in the USJFCOM Iraqi Perspectives Project."


Now you can read for youself how crazy Saddam had become. It´s really
an incredible to read.

Einar

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:27:58 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
Quadibloc made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

On Jan 19, 12:27 pm, kT wrote:

And you fascists will be right in there with them.

How is it fascist to oppose the cruel murder of thousands of
completely innocent people, going innocently about their daily
business, out of a clear blue sky?

Elifritz is one of those (many) idiots who thinks that "fascist" means
"anything I disagree with." The more often one uses the word
"fascist," the less likely one is to know what it actually means.

Just killfile the troll, as most of us have.

On Jan 19, 2:25*pm, OM wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:14:19 -0500, "Jeff Findley"

wrote:
The Onion is a fake/comedy/joke "news" website.

...Yes, Pat *knows* this. Which is why everyone who got nervous should
have realized he was posting a gag when it was obvious that the source
was The Onion.

...On a side note, there's only been one story that The Onion has
posted that was 100% factual and truthful. Considering the source
material, that's probably why they got away with it at the time:

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/38673

Yes OM, after reading the piece about Carter, you should create your
own rag called the OMion...LOL!!

On Jan 30, 3:43 am, kT wrote:
Quadibloc wrote:
On Jan 19, 12:27 pm, kT wrote:

And you fascists will be right in there with them.

How is it fascist to oppose the cruel murder of thousands of
completely innocent people, going innocently about their daily
business, out of a clear blue sky?

By invading a country not involved in said clear blue sky operation, at
a cost of trillions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of innocent
civilians and nearly 4000 US troops. Very clearly fascist, American.

Iraq invaded Kuwait some years back. Remember?

Saddam Hussein did not abide by the conditions under which that war
was ended. He did not co-operate, totally, utterly, promptly with
weapons inspections.

After September 11, 2001, the rules changed. There was no room to
tolerate any chance that weapons of mass destruction would be in the
hands of irresponsible enemies of America. (Responsible enemies of
America, like the Red Chinese, were another matter... at least for the
time being.)

When bad things like that happen, ordinary reasonable people, not
"fascists", expect to see to it that they will never happen again.

By inflicting horrors on other civilians, an order of magnitude worse.

You are a fascist and a war criminal American.

That is how the world views you now.

The civilian deaths in Iraq are caused by terrorist enemies of America
who want to take it over for their use - not by American soldiers.

Most of the world is sensible enough to know this. What stupid people
may think bothers me not at all.

John Savard

Quadibloc wrote:
On Jan 30, 3:43 am, kT wrote:
Quadibloc wrote:
On Jan 19, 12:27 pm, kT wrote:
And you fascists will be right in there with them.
How is it fascist to oppose the cruel murder of thousands of
completely innocent people, going innocently about their daily
business, out of a clear blue sky?
By invading a country not involved in said clear blue sky operation, at
a cost of trillions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of innocent
civilians and nearly 4000 US troops. Very clearly fascist, American.

Iraq invaded Kuwait some years back. Remember?

Next I suppose you'll say it's all Clinton's fault.

Saddam Hussein did not abide by the conditions under which that war
was ended. He did not co-operate, totally, utterly, promptly with
weapons inspections.

Which necessitated our killing hundreds of thousands of their civilians,
just to teach Saddam Hussein a lesson : cooperate, or we will kill your
people!

After September 11, 2001, the rules changed.

But the laws didn't. The Bush administration is criminally incompetent.

There was no room to
tolerate any chance that weapons of mass destruction would be in the
hands of irresponsible enemies of America. (Responsible enemies of
America, like the Red Chinese, were another matter... at least for the
time being.)

And since there actually weren't any weapons of mass destruction in
Iraq, it was necessary to lie about their existence, in order to kill
hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis for the bad behavior of their
dictator. That is the nutty American's logic in a nutshell.

When bad things like that happen, ordinary reasonable people, not
"fascists", expect to see to it that they will never happen again.
By inflicting horrors on other civilians, an order of magnitude worse.

You are a fascist and a war criminal American.

That is how the world views you now.

The civilian deaths in Iraq are caused by terrorist enemies of America
who want to take it over for their use - not by American soldiers.

Deaths which inarguably would not have occurred if the American
government didn't lie about Saddam Hussein's involvement in 911 or about
the nonexistence of weapons of mass destruction inside of Iraq.

Most of the world is sensible enough to know this.

Most of the world holds America in contempt of laws, moral and legal.

What stupid people may think bothers me not at all.

Of course not, you're an American fascist.

John Savard

American Fascist.

On Jan 30, 8:14 pm, kT wrote:
And since there actually weren't any weapons of mass destruction in
Iraq,

Our knowledge about the assets and intentions of hostile nations is
not perfect, so there is always a margin for error.

Since an error that would allow al-Qaeda to get its hands on an atomic
bomb would have catastrophic consequences, we have to ensure that any
errors that are made are on the safe side. Which is something the
Iranian leadership doesn't seem to understand - that, now, we have to
be 100% *certain* that Iran isn't building an atomic bomb, and
indications that a nuclear power program including reprocessing
capabilities is simply for energy production are not sufficient for
that purpose - only total cooperation with an inspection regime that
leaves no room whatsoever for diversion is sufficient.

Iran's leadership has already declared itself to be dangerously
irresponsible, willing to openly speak of hostile actions against
America's fellow liberal democracy, Israel. An atomic attack on Israel
is unthinkable, and will not be allowed to happen - any more than one
against the United States, or Luxembourg, or Italy, or Belgium, or
Taiwan, or Australia.

We wish to go on living our lives in peace and safety - ourselves, and
all the other people living in peace in democratic nations. Dictators
are not to be allowed the least opportunity to menace people living
under democracy. We had to put up with nonsense back during the Cold
War - thus, in 1983, the Argentine invasion of the Falkland Islands
didn't immediately result in Argentina being devastated from one end
to the other.

We don't have to put up with this kind of nonsense any longer - and we
certainly won't from enemies who have shown us that their level of
brutality is sickening.

For example, back before Israel abandoned the settlements in the Gaza
Strip, those wonderful freedom fighters over there distinguished
themselves by... videotaping their handwork as they murdered a
pregnant woman, after first killing her daughters, one by one, before
her eyes.

Astoundingly, this did not make front page headlines across North
America and Europe. Possibly the terrorists are intimidating the news
media.

As long as other people are prepared to leave us in peace, we have no
plans to attack or invade anyone. Real fascists are aggressors, trying
to rob and enslave others just because they're foreigners. All we want
is to be left in peace, but that didn't happen; instead, aggression
was commited against us. That is the height of folly, as Imperial
Japan once learned to its cost.

John Savard

Quadibloc wrote:

On Jan 30, 8:14 pm, kT wrote:
And since there actually weren't any weapons of mass destruction in
Iraq,

Our knowledge about the assets and intentions of hostile nations is
not perfect, so there is always a margin for error.

Like the 'Saddam Hussein is al-Qaeda' error you've already made.

Since an error that would allow al-Qaeda to get its hands on an atomic
bomb would have catastrophic consequences, we have to ensure that ...

America doesn't sell nuclear power technology to the goat herders.

Oops, I mean to third world countries like Turkey and North Korea.

On Jan 30, 8:34*am, (Rand Simberg)
wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:27:58 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
Quadibloc made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

On Jan 19, 12:27 pm, kT wrote:

And you fascists will be right in there with them.

How is it fascist to oppose the cruel murder of thousands of
completely innocent people, going innocently about their daily
business, out of a clear blue sky?

Elifritz is one of those (many) idiots who thinks that "fascist" means
"anything I disagree with." *The more often one uses the word
"fascist," the less likely one is to know what it actually means.

Just killfile the troll, as most of us have.

Is that a fact? How come more people respond to him than they do you?

Eric Chomko wrote:
On Jan 30, 8:34 am, (Rand Simberg)
wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:27:58 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
Quadibloc made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

On Jan 19, 12:27 pm, kT wrote:
And you fascists will be right in there with them.
How is it fascist to oppose the cruel murder of thousands of
completely innocent people, going innocently about their daily
business, out of a clear blue sky?
Elifritz is one of those (many) idiots who thinks that "fascist" means
"anything I disagree with." The more often one uses the word
"fascist," the less likely one is to know what it actually means.

I know exactly what it means, Rand, it means you are an unashamed,
unapologetic and belligerent global militant, who thinks that only your
neoconhead regime should hold power in America, and that you have the
fundamental right to impose your perverse version of 'democracy' (read
corporatism) unto any other nation whose resources your crave and claim.

One look at transterrestrial confirms it is a fascist paradise.

Just killfile the troll, as most of us have.

Or if all else fails, kill them, in the true fascist spirit.

Is that a fact? How come more people respond to him than they do you?

Because I occasionally post links on science newsgroups?