The hot rocks of Venus, looking intelligent

On Oct 11, 9:52 am, BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 11, 5:44 am, (Joseph Nebus) wrote:

BradGuth writes:
Please do further explain as to those very intelligent and/or rational
looking items as somehow being purely natural, and by way of example
as to sharing in where such a rational complex community looking group
of considerations are otherwise to be found within common planetology
w/o benefit of whatever intelligent life, such as right here on Earth.

You know, if you don't mind bringing that sentence in for
repairs we can have it ready for you to say by next Wednesday.

--
Joseph Nebus

And that word-game of your's has what exactly to do about planetology
or geology, and/or pertaining to the observationology of my having
uncovered the intelligent other life that's existing/coexisting on
Venus, as having made those hot rocks look exactly as though having
perfectly rational infrastructure of a large scale and fairly
complex community?

Are you folks still pretending to not know what specific radar
obtained image I'm talking about?

Is that also why you'd removed certain newsgroups of alt.astronomy,
sci.astro and alt.revisionism?

What's next? (the Art Deco treatment)
- Brad Guth -

Yeah, the Art Deco treatment!

Lately I've been plugging electrogravitics, but somehow the software
didn't recognize the program I was using and ruined my hyperpaint
software -
I've tried and tried to post at the imaging service, but the same
picture
never makes it through! This is what comes out the other end:

http://server6.theimagehosting.com/i...saved_text.JPG

What are they trying to do with my work?

This is terrible. I feel completely nullified

-

On Oct 11, 9:52 am, BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 11, 5:44 am, (Joseph Nebus) wrote:

BradGuth writes:
Please do further explain as to those very intelligent and/or rational
looking items as somehow being purely natural, and by way of example
as to sharing in where such a rational complex community looking group
of considerations are otherwise to be found within common planetology
w/o benefit of whatever intelligent life, such as right here on Earth.

You know, if you don't mind bringing that sentence in for
repairs we can have it ready for you to say by next Wednesday.

--
Joseph Nebus

And that word-game of your's has what exactly to do about planetology
or geology, and/or pertaining to the observationology of my having
uncovered the intelligent other life that's existing/coexisting on
Venus, as having made those hot rocks look exactly as though having
perfectly rational infrastructure of a large scale and fairly
complex community?

Are you folks still pretending to not know what specific radar
obtained image I'm talking about?

Is that also why you'd removed certain newsgroups of alt.astronomy,
sci.astro and alt.revisionism?

What's next? (the Art Deco treatment)
- Brad Guth -

Yeah, the Art Deco treatment!

Lately I've been plugging electrogravitics, but somehow the software
didn't recognize the program I was using and ruined my hyperpaint
software -
I've tried and tried to post at the imaging service, but the same
picture
never makes it through! This is what comes out the other end:

http://server6.theimagehosting.com/i...saved_text.JPG

What are they trying to do with my work?

This is terrible. I feel completely nullified

-

On Oct 11, 9:52 am, BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 11, 5:44 am, (Joseph Nebus) wrote:

BradGuth writes:
Please do further explain as to those very intelligent and/or rational
looking items as somehow being purely natural, and by way of example
as to sharing in where such a rational complex community looking group
of considerations are otherwise to be found within common planetology
w/o benefit of whatever intelligent life, such as right here on Earth.

You know, if you don't mind bringing that sentence in for
repairs we can have it ready for you to say by next Wednesday.

--
Joseph Nebus

And that word-game of your's has what exactly to do about planetology
or geology, and/or pertaining to the observationology of my having
uncovered the intelligent other life that's existing/coexisting on
Venus, as having made those hot rocks look exactly as though having
perfectly rational infrastructure of a large scale and fairly
complex community?

Are you folks still pretending to not know what specific radar
obtained image I'm talking about?

Is that also why you'd removed certain newsgroups of alt.astronomy,
sci.astro and alt.revisionism?

What's next? (the Art Deco treatment)
- Brad Guth -

Yeah, the Art Deco treatment!

Lately I've been plugging electrogravitics, but somehow the software
didn't recognize the program I was using and ruined my hyperpaint
software -
I've tried and tried to post at the imaging service, but the same
picture
never makes it through! This is what comes out the other end:

http://server6.theimagehosting.com/i...saved_text.JPG

What are they trying to do with my work?

This is terrible. I feel completely nullified

-

On Oct 11, 5:40 pm, American wrote:
On Oct 11, 9:52 am, BradGuth wrote:



On Oct 11, 5:44 am, (Joseph Nebus) wrote:

BradGuth writes:
Please do further explain as to those very intelligent and/or rational
looking items as somehow being purely natural, and by way of example
as to sharing in where such a rational complex community looking group
of considerations are otherwise to be found within common planetology
w/o benefit of whatever intelligent life, such as right here on Earth.

You know, if you don't mind bringing that sentence in for
repairs we can have it ready for you to say by next Wednesday.

--
Joseph Nebus

And that word-game of your's has what exactly to do about planetology
or geology, and/or pertaining to the observationology of my having
uncovered the intelligent other life that's existing/coexisting on
Venus, as having made those hot rocks look exactly as though having
perfectly rational infrastructure of a large scale and fairly
complex community?

Are you folks still pretending to not know what specific radar
obtained image I'm talking about?

Is that also why you'd removed certain newsgroups of alt.astronomy,
sci.astro and alt.revisionism?

What's next? (the Art Deco treatment)
- Brad Guth -

Yeah, the Art Deco treatment!

Lately I've been plugging electrogravitics, but somehow the software
didn't recognize the program I was using and ruined my hyperpaint
software -
I've tried and tried to post at the imaging service, but the same
picture
never makes it through! This is what comes out the other end:

http://server6.theimagehosting.com/i...saved_text.JPG

What are they trying to do with my work?

This is terrible. I feel completely nullified

-

Are all posters like the "Brain that Wouldn't Die"?):

http://www.filmfax.com/outre/theater/theater6.html

-

"BradGuth" wrote in message
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On Oct 10, 6:27 pm, "Jonathan" wrote:

Where both opposite extremes are in equilibrium and constantly
transitioning between the two, is where increasing order, complexity
and life is found. As in the Mona Lisa smile, which is it?
Devious of happy? If you can't tell which opposite extreme
dominates, you're at the complex 'edge', where beauty and
wisdom resides, where spontaneous order and
creation is found. Where systems self-organize
and take on a life of its own.

Where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

For starters, we are not talking about Earth, or even that of our
weird moon, of Mars or of whatever's so much further away.



But Brad, the above post is about an /abstract/ way of identifying
life and potential environments for life. It should work the
same everywhere.



Venus is
extremely nearby, and it's absolutely chuck full of its own raw energy
that only a born-again dork of a naysayer like yourself couldn't
possibly appreciate.


Venus has fallen into an extreme, a runaway greenhouse effect.
The lack of an opposite extreme means it should be as
inhospitable to life as could be.



In other words, your whole of whatever's greater simply has to go out
of its way in order to exclude upon intelligent other life regardless
of whatever's the applied technology, or even regardless of whatever's
the alternative evolution of which you know absolutely nothing about.



You haven't provided any links to the pics your talking about.



Please do further explain as to those very intelligent and/or rational
looking items as somehow being purely natural, and by way of example
as to sharing in where such a rational complex community looking group
of considerations are otherwise to be found within common planetology
w/o benefit of whatever intelligent life, such as right here on Earth.

For one basic example; How many tarmacs are there on Earth that had
absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with intelligent life?



Bonneville!



- Brad Guth -

On Oct 11, 5:11 pm, "Jonathan" wrote:

But Brad, the above post is about an /abstract/ way of identifying
life and potential environments for life. It should work the
same everywhere.

But Jonathan, that above post/rant of yours also takes absolutely
nothing of observationology into account. Are you blind?

Why are you folks so deathly afraid of looking at and of honestly
contributing on behalf of the image that's so gosh darn interesting?


Venus has fallen into an extreme, a runaway greenhouse effect.
The lack of an opposite extreme means it should be as
inhospitable to life as could be.

Venus no longer has a moon keeping it extra hot. Venus is simply a
planet that's less old than Earth. The newish planetology of Venus is
just what it is. Venus has not fallen into any such extreme.
However, your status quo or bust has fallen into the usual naysay
cesspool of life that's anything but honest about much of anything.


You haven't provided any links to the pics your talking about.

Yes I have, for better than 7 years. A better question is why are you
lying your butt off?


Bonneville!

Those Bonneville Salt Flats do not in any way look the least bit
artificial from space, or from any perspective, further proof that
just like our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) that you folks clearly
love, you are a born again liar.
- Brad Guth -

On Oct 12, 8:18 am, BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 11, 5:11 pm, "Jonathan" wrote:



But Brad, the above post is about an /abstract/ way of identifying
life and potential environments for life. It should work the
same everywhere.

But Jonathan, that above post/rant of yours also takes absolutely
nothing of observationology into account. Are you blind?

Why are you folks so deathly afraid of looking at and of honestly
contributing on behalf of the image that's so gosh darn interesting?



Venus has fallen into an extreme, a runaway greenhouse effect.
The lack of an opposite extreme means it should be as
inhospitable to life as could be.

Venus no longer has a moon keeping it extra hot. Venus is simply a
planet that's less old than Earth. The newish planetology of Venus is
just what it is. Venus has not fallen into any such extreme.
However, your status quo or bust has fallen into the usual naysay
cesspool of life that's anything but honest about much of anything.



You haven't provided any links to the pics your talking about.

Yes I have, for better than 7 years. A better question is why are you
lying your butt off?



Bonneville!

Those Bonneville Salt Flats do not in any way look the least bit
artificial from space, or from any perspective, further proof that
just like our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) that you folks clearly
love, you are a born again liar.
- Brad Guth -

Venus appears to be a hellish nightmare of a place on the surface,
yet those structures you are referring to look very, very interesting.
What if they were portals to the gates of hell? Then so what, Jesus
said, "Upon this rock I will build my church and not even the gates
of hell will overcome it". - THAT is precisely the meaning of the
structures that you are seeing on the surface - as we envisioned
hell all around us, that not a single environmental catastrophe will
cast its destruction our way - despite all odds to the contrary!

And what if those objects that you are referring to are not of God?
What if they are indeed portals to hell? Then if they are, you can
bet that God put them there, and they will in no way disappear!

American

On Oct 12, 6:27 am, American wrote:
On Oct 12, 8:18 am, BradGuth wrote:





On Oct 11, 5:11 pm, "Jonathan" wrote:

But Brad, the above post is about an /abstract/ way of identifying
life and potential environments for life. It should work the
same everywhere.

But Jonathan, that above post/rant of yours also takes absolutely
nothing of observationology into account. Are you blind?

Why are you folks so deathly afraid of looking at and of honestly
contributing on behalf of the image that's so gosh darn interesting?

Venus has fallen into an extreme, a runaway greenhouse effect.
The lack of an opposite extreme means it should be as
inhospitable to life as could be.

Venus no longer has a moon keeping it extra hot. Venus is simply a
planet that's less old than Earth. The newish planetology of Venus is
just what it is. Venus has not fallen into any such extreme.
However, your status quo or bust has fallen into the usual naysay
cesspool of life that's anything but honest about much of anything.

You haven't provided any links to the pics your talking about.

Yes I have, for better than 7 years. A better question is why are you
lying your butt off?

Bonneville!

Those Bonneville Salt Flats do not in any way look the least bit
artificial from space, or from any perspective, further proof that
just like our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) that you folks clearly
love, you are a born again liar.
- Brad Guth -

Venus appears to be a hellish nightmare of a place on the surface,
yet those structures you are referring to look very, very interesting.

That's true, as even that natural fluid arch looks very, very
interesting.

With better PhotoShop enlargements as derived from that original GIF
composite image of 225 meters/pixel, it'll only get even better
looking, because that's exactly what the new and improved PhotoShop
software does best.


What if they were portals to the gates of hell? Then so what, Jesus
said, "Upon this rock I will build my church and not even the gates
of hell will overcome it". - THAT is precisely the meaning of the
structures that you are seeing on the surface - as we envisioned
hell all around us, that not a single environmental catastrophe will
cast its destruction our way - despite all odds to the contrary!

Venus would make for a terrific kind of hell, although with unlimited
local energy means that almost anything is possible once accommodated
inside of a suitable infrastructure, or even while safely cruising
about, such as within your rigid composite airship.


And what if those objects that you are referring to are not of God?
What if they are indeed portals to hell? Then if they are, you can
bet that God put them there, and they will in no way disappear!

The newish planetology of Venus is very much hell like (from the
bottom up, not from the top down), but it is not too hellish for
applied technology, and cerinly not beyond the expertise of any God
worth half their weight in salt, of which go figure as to why Mars
doesn't have hardly any salt to speak of, although our moon has been
rather extra salty.
- Brad Guth -

On Oct 12, 9:56 am, BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 12, 6:27 am, American wrote:



On Oct 12, 8:18 am, BradGuth wrote:

On Oct 11, 5:11 pm, "Jonathan" wrote:

But Brad, the above post is about an /abstract/ way of identifying
life and potential environments for life. It should work the
same everywhere.

But Jonathan, that above post/rant of yours also takes absolutely
nothing of observationology into account. Are you blind?

Why are you folks so deathly afraid of looking at and of honestly
contributing on behalf of the image that's so gosh darn interesting?

Venus has fallen into an extreme, a runaway greenhouse effect.
The lack of an opposite extreme means it should be as
inhospitable to life as could be.

Venus no longer has a moon keeping it extra hot. Venus is simply a
planet that's less old than Earth. The newish planetology of Venus is
just what it is. Venus has not fallen into any such extreme.
However, your status quo or bust has fallen into the usual naysay
cesspool of life that's anything but honest about much of anything.

You haven't provided any links to the pics your talking about.

Yes I have, for better than 7 years. A better question is why are you
lying your butt off?

Bonneville!

Those Bonneville Salt Flats do not in any way look the least bit
artificial from space, or from any perspective, further proof that
just like our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) that you folks clearly
love, you are a born again liar.
- Brad Guth -

Venus appears to be a hellish nightmare of a place on the surface,
yet those structures you are referring to look very, very interesting.

That's true, as even that natural fluid arch looks very, very
interesting.

With better PhotoShop enlargements as derived from that original GIF
composite image of 225 meters/pixel, it'll only get even better
looking, because that's exactly what the new and improved PhotoShop
software does best.



What if they were portals to the gates of hell? Then so what, Jesus
said, "Upon this rock I will build my church and not even the gates
of hell will overcome it". - THAT is precisely the meaning of the
structures that you are seeing on the surface - as we envisioned
hell all around us, that not a single environmental catastrophe will
cast its destruction our way - despite all odds to the contrary!

Venus would make for a terrific kind of hell, although with unlimited
local energy means that almost anything is possible once accommodated
inside of a suitable infrastructure, or even while safely cruising
about, such as within your rigid composite airship.



And what if those objects that you are referring to are not of God?
What if they are indeed portals to hell? Then if they are, you can
bet that God put them there, and they will in no way disappear!

The newish planetology of Venus is very much hell like (from the
bottom up, not from the top down), but it is not too hellish for
applied technology, and cerinly not beyond the expertise of any God
worth half their weight in salt, of which go figure as to why Mars
doesn't have hardly any salt to speak of, although our moon has been
rather extra salty.
- Brad Guth -

It's not too far off to assume that some type of habitable structure
may have been designed to "land on Venus" (for purposes of?) -
and so I'm baffled as to why Venus - unless there is some reason
for observing the earth from afar, like someone or something was
preparing for a catastrophic event - in the instance that the earth
may be preparing for a pole shift - these beings might be stationed
on Venus to either monitor those changes, or call for a mass invasion
to the Earth once these changes begin to create mass chaos, and
take us all by surprise!

Who knows, those Venusian vessels might even use a technology
we already know about, but are more skillful in applying their
knowlege
for designing a cooling system that uses interferometry:

http://www.cheniere.org/images/weapons/interf1sm.jpg

It has also been researched that polarized air molecules that are
trapped in magnetic fields can 'stop' the normal movement of air
and cause an expansion that becomes quite cold.

Perhaps one of these or similar technology is at work on the
surface of Venus. Maybe we need to take a look and see what
is REALLY going on over there!

American

"BradGuth" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 11, 5:11 pm, "Jonathan" wrote:

But Brad, the above post is about an /abstract/ way of identifying
life and potential environments for life. It should work the
same everywhere.

But Jonathan, that above post/rant of yours also takes absolutely
nothing of observationology into account. Are you blind?


It might help to post the pics, I'm not sure now what
features you're talking about. But you should know
by now that the chaos and complexity sciences
are at heart a science of pattern recognition.
Using the output first as the source of knowledge.
Which is just what you're talking about, looking
for patterns which could only be the result of
life. And without having any first hand or detailed
info...the input...to work with. Just the patterns.

For instance, early on in the rover mission I use
to go on and on about how the laminated rocks
at Meridiani resemble still-water stromatolites.
And one pattern recognition technique was
built to try to identify stromatolites on mars
from only the pictures.


Lunar and Planetary Science XXXV (2004)

"This method provides a detection methodology for
auto-mated search campaigns and a first order analysis
for the biogenicity of the structures, using the ability
of the compressibility algorithm to capture the random
nature of abiotic sediment or the regular nature of a
biogenically controlled structure."
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2004/pdf/1414.pdf



Why are you folks so deathly afraid of looking at and of honestly
contributing on behalf of the image that's so gosh darn interesting?


Venus has fallen into an extreme, a runaway greenhouse effect.
The lack of an opposite extreme means it should be as
inhospitable to life as could be.

Venus no longer has a moon keeping it extra hot. Venus is simply a
planet that's less old than Earth. The newish planetology of Venus is
just what it is. Venus has not fallen into any such extreme.
However, your status quo or bust has fallen into the usual naysay
cesspool of life that's anything but honest about much of anything.


You haven't provided any links to the pics your talking about.

Yes I have, for better than 7 years. A better question is why are you
lying your butt off?


Bonneville!

Those Bonneville Salt Flats do not in any way look the least bit
artificial from space, or from any perspective, further proof that
just like our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) that you folks clearly
love, you are a born again liar.


Liar? I can't remember my own phone number. Since you're not
posting any pics to go along with your post, I can only guess
at what you're talking about. I always try to make my posts
so they stand alone, which is why they're so repetitive and
long winded.

Why are you being so lazy in making your case?



- Brad Guth -