Death Sentence for the Hubble?

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:45:27 GMT, in a place far, far away, Fred J.
McCall made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:


:I'm only saying that it's easy relative to how difficult some think
:it, not in any absolute sense.

Well, that's the first time THAT has come out.

No, it isn't. You haven't been paying attention.

:Was ISS 'easy'?
:It largely seems so, by your definition, and yet it is an order of
:magnitude over the original budget estimates and still seems well
:short of the originally discussed capabilities.
:
:That has nothing to do with the intrinsic ease or difficulty of
:building space stations.

No? Then where is all the money going? It's easy, remember? Why did
it have to keep adding budget and schedule?

Because the purpose of the program was not to build a space station.
The purpose of the program was to provide full employment in certain
congressional districts.

Charles Buckley ) wrote:
: Eric Chomko wrote:
: D Schneider ) wrote:
: : On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:24:47 +0000 (UTC), Eric Chomko
: : wrote:
:
: : D Schneider ) wrote:
: : : Eric Chomko wrote:
: :
: : : Charles Buckley ) wrote:
: : : [...]
: : : : (ISS, Apollo, with Shuttle being republican.
: : : [...]
: :
: : : Why is Apollo Republican? JFK and LBJ? Does Nixon get credit for
: : Apollo,
: : : somehow? I credit Nixon with Skylab.
: :
: : : Slow down. Read for comprehension, not for Evelyn Woods scorekeeping.
: :
: : Based upon your comment, you write about as well as I read.
: :
:
: : Uhh, my comment was indicating that it was clear that Charles Buckley was
: : *not* calling Apollo republican, and that you were showing poor reading
: : comprehension in thinking that he did.
:
: Please do explain what Mr. Buckley meant. My thick slavic skull sometimes
: has trouble getting info in. But once in it, likewise, the info doesn't
: easily escape.


: Apollo - ISS democrat.

: Shuttle republican.


: Apollo, there is not question about who was president.

: Shuttle was funded through all of its major phases with a republican
: president pushing it. (Although Congress was solidly democratic with
: an even larger majority than the republicans currently have)

: ISS.. Democratic president and democratic senate. Without the deal
: Clinton made, ISS would have been cancelled.

But ISS is run out of JSC in Houston, Texas, which as been solidly
Republican for a long time now. Likewise, Hubble is run out of GSFC in
Greenbelt, Maryland, which has solidly been Democratic for a long time as
well. Perhaps you need to take a local-NASA-facility look at your
political connection before you leap?

What Clinton did with ISS was to remove the "Freedom" moniker, shrink it
and emphasized its "international" label with ISS. JSC then decided that
ISS wasn't big enough to share with MSFC as was "Freedom", and took ISS
for itself. MSFC retaliated, not to JSC, but to GSFC(!), by taking
Spacelab. All this was happening with the commentary that the facilities
should go back to that which they were originally intended.

Eric

Charles Buckley ) wrote:
: Eric Chomko wrote:
: D Schneider ) wrote:
: : Eric Chomko wrote:
:
: : [...]
: : Please do explain what Mr. Buckley meant. My thick slavic skull sometimes
: : has trouble getting info in. But once in it, likewise, the info doesn't
: : easily escape.
:
: : How about "ISS and Apollo are on the Democrat list, while Shuttle is on
: : the Republican list"?
:
: ISS is Democrat? ISS is out of Texas. When was the last time any Democrat
: had anything to do with Texas?
:

: Johnson Space Center?

Right, 36 years ago...
Yeah, I guess you got me there. LOL!

: ISS was pushed through by Clinton in 1993. With 7 redesigns in 9 years
: and a very, very weak vote in the previous budget, ISS was doomed.
: Clinto pulled together the deal with the Russians and got it through
: congress.

Because "Freedom" was a bigger White Elephant.

: Note, there was not much by way of a partisan vote either.

Phooey! Guess what would happen if Hubble went to JSC and ISS went to
GSFC. We get that one Hubble repair mission!

: No, manned spaceflight is Republican and unmanned spaceflight is Democrat.
: THAT is the aspect of NASA in 2005.
:

: There is no evidence of that. The major blocks to the CEV are
: Republicans. (Specifically Chairman Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY)
: of the House Committe on Science). The Clinton administration
: supported more X programs aimed at manned space flight than
: any administration since the 1960's. This really is not a
: partisan issue. (Well, excepting that there are a lot of budget
: cuts this year in a lot of programs and Bush will not likely
: be able to avoid NASA getting the same.)

If it really isn't a partisan issue, then why not let one of the blue
states take CEV?

Eric

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:21:54 -0700, in a place far, far away, Charles
: Buckley made the phosphor on my monitor
: glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: No, manned spaceflight is Republican and unmanned spaceflight is Democrat.
: THAT is the aspect of NASA in 2005.
:
:
: There is no evidence of that. The major blocks to the CEV are
: Republicans. (Specifically Chairman Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY)
: of the House Committe on Science).

: Would that be the Chairman Boehlert who recently said in a hearing: "I
: am for returning humans to the moon by 2020. I am for moving ahead
: prudently but swiftly with the development of a Crew Exploration
: Vehicle (CEV) for that purpose."?

: scratching head at Charles' bizarre interpretation of recent events

: The Clinton administrationsupported more X programs aimed at
: manned space flight than
: any administration since the 1960's.

: Such as? I can't think of any other than X-33. I'm not aware that
: X-34 had anything to do with manned spaceflight, and DC-XA wasn't
: really a Clinton initiative--they just inherited it (unless by
: "support" you mean "not go out of their way to kill"). And one of the
: few line item vetoes that Clinton used (before the USSC ruled it
: unconstitutional) was to kill funding for the military spaceplane in
: 1997.

The question remains should NASA develop potential military spacecraft? If
anything NASA should get militray craft to use for peaceful space
exploration, not the other way around.

: This really is not a partisan issue.

: No, generally it's not. It's usually just a pork issue. Of course to
: Eric, *everything* is a partisan issue.


Not really, but I do wonder why you appear to hate NASA and give the DOD a
pass on virtually every issue where they intersect.

How about we send HST to JSC and ISS to GSFC? I bet we'd get a shuttle
repair mission to HST then!

Eric

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 01:51:28 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
(Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

But ISS is run out of JSC in Houston, Texas, which as been solidly
Republican for a long time now.

Ummm...Eric?

The mayor of Houston is a Democrat.

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 02:11:15 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
(Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:


: Such as? I can't think of any other than X-33. I'm not aware that
: X-34 had anything to do with manned spaceflight, and DC-XA wasn't
: really a Clinton initiative--they just inherited it (unless by
: "support" you mean "not go out of their way to kill"). And one of the
: few line item vetoes that Clinton used (before the USSC ruled it
: unconstitutional) was to kill funding for the military spaceplane in
: 1997.

The question remains should NASA develop potential military spacecraft?

That question has nothing to do with anything written here by anyone.
Once again, you are the supreme village idiot of the newsgroup, and
master of the non-sequitur.

rest of village idiocy snipped

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 01:51:28 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: But ISS is run out of JSC in Houston, Texas, which as been solidly
: Republican for a long time now.

: Ummm...Eric?

: The mayor of Houston is a Democrat.

So what? Most big city mayors are black and Democrat.

Hell the governor of Maryland is a Republican, too. Does that make
Maryland a hot-bed of conservatism?

Eric

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 02:11:15 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:


: : Such as? I can't think of any other than X-33. I'm not aware that
: : X-34 had anything to do with manned spaceflight, and DC-XA wasn't
: : really a Clinton initiative--they just inherited it (unless by
: : "support" you mean "not go out of their way to kill"). And one of the
: : few line item vetoes that Clinton used (before the USSC ruled it
: : unconstitutional) was to kill funding for the military spaceplane in
: : 1997.
:
: The question remains should NASA develop potential military spacecraft?

: That question has nothing to do with anything written here by anyone.
: Once again, you are the supreme village idiot of the newsgroup, and
: master of the non-sequitur.

Yeah, it is so far not related that you went out of your way at ad
hominem, again. Why don't you state WHY it isn't related.

Does the phrase "the military spaceplane" appear in an above paragragh?
Huh, it does. I guess you stand corrected, yet again. It is that sort of
pomposity that you display that has be committed to exposing you as the
fraud that you are.

: rest of village idiocy snipped

As I have said, if YOU are anything in the way of commercial space, other
than a cheerleader, then it is doomed to fail due to imcompetence. That
may occur with you as a mere cheerleader as well!

I will learn all you know, pass you and expose you along the way. Of that
I am certain! You had better ratcheted it up a notch to even last a year
in this gambit. Mark my word!

Eric

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:25:13 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: : But ISS is run out of JSC in Houston, Texas, which as been solidly
: : Republican for a long time now.
:
: : Ummm...Eric?
:
: : The mayor of Houston is a Democrat.
:
: So what? Most big city mayors are black and Democrat.

: So, apparently Houston is not as "solidly Republican" as you fantasize
: in the words above.

Sure it is. Tom DeLay redistricted the area to make it so. The Democrats
in tha rea left in order to avoid a vote.

: Hell the governor of Maryland is a Republican, too. Does that make
: Maryland a hot-bed of conservatism?

: I have made no claims about Maryland, idiot.

You have made no valid claims about ANYTHING! You have no room referring
to your betters as "idiot".

Eric

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:39:49 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: : On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 02:11:15 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: : (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: : monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
:
:
: : : Such as? I can't think of any other than X-33. I'm not aware that
: : : X-34 had anything to do with manned spaceflight, and DC-XA wasn't
: : : really a Clinton initiative--they just inherited it (unless by
: : : "support" you mean "not go out of their way to kill"). And one of the
: : : few line item vetoes that Clinton used (before the USSC ruled it
: : : unconstitutional) was to kill funding for the military spaceplane in
: : : 1997.
: :
: : The question remains should NASA develop potential military spacecraft?
:
: : That question has nothing to do with anything written here by anyone.
: : Once again, you are the supreme village idiot of the newsgroup, and
: : master of the non-sequitur.
:
: Yeah, it is so far not related that you went out of your way at ad
: hominem, again. Why don't you state WHY it isn't related.

: Because NASA is a civilian agency, and DOESN'T DEVELOP MILITARY
: AIRCRAFT OR SPACECRAFT.

Fool! Did or did not the shuttle have DOD missions? The shuttle is
proof that when it comes to spacecraft that the DOD and NASA overlap.

Explain exactly what STS-51C, STS-51J, STS-27, STS-28, STS-33, STS-36,
STS-38, and STS-44 were all about. While you're at it tell the AF to stop
using TDRSS, I dare you!

: I will learn all you know, pass you and expose you along the way. Of
that
: I am certain! You had better ratcheted it up a notch to even last a year
: in this gambit. Mark my word!

: Knock yourself out.

You got the verb right, but not direct object.

You're a AA ballplayer than thinks he's in the Majors.

Eric