The Ranger and the Pronto Are No More

"Ratboy99" wrote in message
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For Bill:
Not as a rule, but counting the nature of the human, you should
remember, that not all people will share with you your excitement of
the scope that you have not received yet, there will be enough
F...man, Coneheads or others around that will have opposite reaction
for understandable reasons. Ignoring this may cause nervous strain and
long threads here on saa.

Best regards to all of you.
Yuri

Yes Yuri, you are right, it is certainly a good deal my fault that it went
as
far as it did, I will not allow this to happen (with myself involved)
again.

Looking forward to the big scope,
rat

Well, I blame both you and Mike for getting me into trouble. g

All I did was state plainly that given the decision to buy a 4" F9 scope,
I'd get an OA4. What happened after that was just a blur. My failed defense
of the TEC140, which I knew was behind Mike's comment, was an miscalculated
attempt on my part to try to stop the blood bath between two people I
consider to be friends.

My mistake.

First, I humbly take your berating, I deserve it. The name calling part on
TEC was more playing around with Rat, who (like you) did not notice the
winks at the end of my messages. He was frothing at the mouth and I was
enjoying it, unfortunately at your expense.

However, I will mention that what both Steve and I and the mystery man
(whose a friend whose not Dan McShane) did indeed look through that scope.
I do not believe Dan did as he was showing his wears that night as well as
toting his 7 year old son around. Dan didn't make the trip down with us.
The views did not look good as we described. And as both Steve and I said
it could have been anything. However, if you do want the name of the owner,
I'd be happy to send it to you privately. Let me know if you want it.

So I just want you to know that I apologize for my comments on TEC itself, I
really was just joking around with Rat (I had a good laugh, you and Rat
didn't). The really sad part about this is everyone got on my case for
offering an alternative that's nearly half the price of what the current
thread had evolved into. I did nothing more than that and then got crap
for. Then in the next thread that started on the same subject, there was a
comparison of the same scope against a reflector. Maybe this group should
just learn to lighten up.

I feel sad that you need to ban people from your group that were actually
trying to help (namely Stephen, although I'm not sure he was up there, it
might be a different Stephen Paul). I will mention that my friend (the
third member of our party at the conjunction) is on the list, not sure he's
ever posted but he's been there a long time none the less.

Good luck with the new TEC l60 line. 6.5 or so scopes are real nice, I
liked mine alot :-)

Mike.


"Yuri" wrote in message
m...
"Stephen Paul" wrote in message
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"Mike Fitterman" wrote in message
news:y11Sc.3858$BS3.5@trndny04...

Are you Mike Fitterman, and you Stephen Paul behind your words or
whatever stuff came from you mouths?



What makes your judgment: "That 140 we looked through was a dog" after
short look through it?
You wrote "Too bad we didn't get enough time to work with it
unfettered by the owner. Being someone else's scope with whom we are
not regularly associated, it's kind of tough to tell them that there's
something wrong with it."
- Sounds like you do not remember neither the name, or scope's serial
number (could be not easy to see in the darkness), are you sure that
it was not the other brand that you are ass-ociating more frequently
or the scope was not long enough? BTW, who was the third person, are
his initials DMS? I do not know if you both + one are aware, but the
"dog vision" is common among idiots and usually caused not by
telescope, but your faces reflections (dog-like) from one of the
eyepiece curved surface?

I know that you Mike Fitterman can not afford high-tech scope, but if
you have $30-$40 - buy the Suiter's book and read it, here is a bit
info in case if you can not afford it too:
Page 273 of the Suiter's book , chapter: Testing other telescopes
"... Keep the test results to yourself, though. Considerations of
courtesy aside such opinions could be wrong. You generally know
nothing of the history of the instrument. You do not know if it is
cool or warm. You have not had a chance to align it first, so you need
to mentally subtract a significant alignment error from the pattern.
Furthermore, one-shot tests are anecdotic and do not allow for
follow-up testing..."

I would just add that APO140 has no any collimating screws, and being
so it has no ability to be miscollimate... you have to brake it to
make it miscolimated.

Back to Mike F...man, you wrote:
"You guys get so touchy up here it's amazing. But hey, you don't want
a great scope at a decent price that's not my problem. You can afford
an 8" refractor, I cannot. Would I own an 8" refractor if I could?
Definitely, but not from TEC though ;-) "
What I am reading between lines is, you love the brand(!), but your
love is hidden being not affordable and as we all know hidden love may
cause opposite feelings - hate.
Same with you Stephen Paul, you have joined the Tec-scope group about
an year ago, was this right after short introduction with APO140? It
is also a bit strange, but you did registration under two names, one,
if I am not mistaken was "conushead14" or similar. So, question to
you: being disappointed with view through the scope, what made you to
join and be on the group? Sorry to say, both of your names were banned
from the group yesterday, but you still can enjoy reading posts since
we are an open group.

For Bill:
Not as a rule, but counting the nature of the human, you should
remember, that not all people will share with you your excitement of
the scope that you have not received yet, there will be enough
F...man, Coneheads or others around that will have opposite reaction
for understandable reasons. Ignoring this may cause nervous strain and
long threads here on saa.

Best regards to all of you.
Yuri

Bill Meyers wrote
Hello, Yuri,
I feel your pain. There is no doubt that new and original designs can
pose a threat to TEC refractors.
For examples, there are telescopes I have designed. My Vortexscope with
its 36 inch cooling fan (which cools the heck out of the 4 inch
mirror), will blow away a TEC scope.
My Nascarscope, I store in my garage, and wheel it out on a cart for
use. I have motorized the cart, and this scope will certainly run rings
around a TEC.
I am also working on a radical new design, the Dynamite, which will
leave competing scopes in the dust.
Borg scopes are also a competitive threat. Borg refractors are
exceptionally light weight, and their new Zeppelin model, is actually
lighter than air. It is expected to rise to heights that TEC can only
dream of.
clear skies to you,
Bill Meyers

Thanks Bill for your unexpectible kindness. Did you read read yourself
what you have posted? I had no pain at all, but have posted a small
lesson for relatively young persons, not for your age though.

Your above approach in to design of something in the field of
aerodynamic or in the other words in the design of the "blow away
unit" from your garage crap shows that the design is not your field
at all, you've better count something...

Technically speaking, neither of your item is capable to lift, move or
blow away
even a cover from our telescope, but for sure you can find use for the
mentioned 36" cooling fan by attaching it to your lower back... the
first thing you and people around will notice be a fresh air thanks to
personnal unit and your "blow away" dream will come through.
(-;
Ciao, Yuri.

Bill Meyers wrote
Hello, Yuri,
I feel your pain. There is no doubt that new and original designs can
pose a threat to TEC refractors.
For examples, there are telescopes I have designed. My Vortexscope with
its 36 inch cooling fan (which cools the heck out of the 4 inch
mirror), will blow away a TEC scope.
My Nascarscope, I store in my garage, and wheel it out on a cart for
use. I have motorized the cart, and this scope will certainly run rings
around a TEC.
I am also working on a radical new design, the Dynamite, which will
leave competing scopes in the dust.
Borg scopes are also a competitive threat. Borg refractors are
exceptionally light weight, and their new Zeppelin model, is actually
lighter than air. It is expected to rise to heights that TEC can only
dream of.
clear skies to you,
Bill Meyers

Thanks Bill for your unexpectible kindness. Did you read read yourself
what you have posted? I had no pain at all, but have posted a small
lesson for relatively young persons, not for your age though.

Your above approach in to design of something in the field of
aerodynamic or in the other words in the design of the "blow away
unit" from your garage crap shows that the design is not your field
at all, you've better count something...

Technically speaking, neither of your item is capable to lift, move or
blow away
even a cover from our telescope, but for sure you can find use for the
mentioned 36" cooling fan by attaching it to your lower back... the
first thing you and people around will notice be a fresh air thanks to
personnal unit and your "blow away" dream will come through.
(-;
Ciao, Yuri.

"Mike Fitterman" wrote in message news: C9cTc.370$iE3.35@trndny09...
First, I humbly take your berating, I deserve it. The name calling part on
TEC was more playing around with Rat, who (like you) did not notice the
winks at the end of my messages. He was frothing at the mouth and I was
enjoying it, unfortunately at your expense.

However, I will mention that what both Steve and I and the mystery man
(whose a friend whose not Dan McShane) did indeed look through that scope.
I do not believe Dan did as he was showing his wears that night as well as
toting his 7 year old son around. Dan didn't make the trip down with us.
The views did not look good as we described. And as both Steve and I said
it could have been anything. However, if you do want the name of the owner,
I'd be happy to send it to you privately. Let me know if you want it.

So I just want you to know that I apologize for my comments on TEC itself, I
really was just joking around with Rat (I had a good laugh, you and Rat
didn't). The really sad part about this is everyone got on my case for
offering an alternative that's nearly half the price of what the current
thread had evolved into. I did nothing more than that and then got crap
for. Then in the next thread that started on the same subject, there was a
comparison of the same scope against a reflector. Maybe this group should
just learn to lighten up.

I feel sad that you need to ban people from your group that were actually
trying to help (namely Stephen, although I'm not sure he was up there, it
might be a different Stephen Paul). I will mention that my friend (the
third member of our party at the conjunction) is on the list, not sure he's
ever posted but he's been there a long time none the less.

Good luck with the new TEC l60 line. 6.5 or so scopes are real nice, I
liked mine alot :-)

Mike.

Dear Mike and Stephen,
thanks for your latest posts. I am sorry I was a bit rude in my
message,
but I did it that way for purpose - stong action easier to remember
and even more it posted on Friday 13th!
As per telescope in question - Mike, thanks for offer, but I do not
need any help there - if something wrong - owner knows where we are.
About banning people - yes I may and have do this sometimes, why ? -
it is simple - I am an owner of the group and if you see "the dog" in
our scope - you are out. You admitt your mistake - welcome back.

Regards, Yuri

"Mike Fitterman" wrote in message news: C9cTc.370$iE3.35@trndny09...
First, I humbly take your berating, I deserve it. The name calling part on
TEC was more playing around with Rat, who (like you) did not notice the
winks at the end of my messages. He was frothing at the mouth and I was
enjoying it, unfortunately at your expense.

However, I will mention that what both Steve and I and the mystery man
(whose a friend whose not Dan McShane) did indeed look through that scope.
I do not believe Dan did as he was showing his wears that night as well as
toting his 7 year old son around. Dan didn't make the trip down with us.
The views did not look good as we described. And as both Steve and I said
it could have been anything. However, if you do want the name of the owner,
I'd be happy to send it to you privately. Let me know if you want it.

So I just want you to know that I apologize for my comments on TEC itself, I
really was just joking around with Rat (I had a good laugh, you and Rat
didn't). The really sad part about this is everyone got on my case for
offering an alternative that's nearly half the price of what the current
thread had evolved into. I did nothing more than that and then got crap
for. Then in the next thread that started on the same subject, there was a
comparison of the same scope against a reflector. Maybe this group should
just learn to lighten up.

I feel sad that you need to ban people from your group that were actually
trying to help (namely Stephen, although I'm not sure he was up there, it
might be a different Stephen Paul). I will mention that my friend (the
third member of our party at the conjunction) is on the list, not sure he's
ever posted but he's been there a long time none the less.

Good luck with the new TEC l60 line. 6.5 or so scopes are real nice, I
liked mine alot :-)

Mike.

Dear Mike and Stephen,
thanks for your latest posts. I am sorry I was a bit rude in my
message,
but I did it that way for purpose - stong action easier to remember
and even more it posted on Friday 13th!
As per telescope in question - Mike, thanks for offer, but I do not
need any help there - if something wrong - owner knows where we are.
About banning people - yes I may and have do this sometimes, why ? -
it is simple - I am an owner of the group and if you see "the dog" in
our scope - you are out. You admitt your mistake - welcome back.

Regards, Yuri

"Mike Fitterman" wrote in message news: C9cTc.370$iE3.35@trndny09...
First, I humbly take your berating, I deserve it. The name calling part on
TEC was more playing around with Rat, who (like you) did not notice the
winks at the end of my messages. He was frothing at the mouth and I was
enjoying it, unfortunately at your expense.

However, I will mention that what both Steve and I and the mystery man
(whose a friend whose not Dan McShane) did indeed look through that scope.
I do not believe Dan did as he was showing his wears that night as well as
toting his 7 year old son around. Dan didn't make the trip down with us.
The views did not look good as we described. And as both Steve and I said
it could have been anything. However, if you do want the name of the owner,
I'd be happy to send it to you privately. Let me know if you want it.

So I just want you to know that I apologize for my comments on TEC itself, I
really was just joking around with Rat (I had a good laugh, you and Rat
didn't). The really sad part about this is everyone got on my case for
offering an alternative that's nearly half the price of what the current
thread had evolved into. I did nothing more than that and then got crap
for. Then in the next thread that started on the same subject, there was a
comparison of the same scope against a reflector. Maybe this group should
just learn to lighten up.

I feel sad that you need to ban people from your group that were actually
trying to help (namely Stephen, although I'm not sure he was up there, it
might be a different Stephen Paul). I will mention that my friend (the
third member of our party at the conjunction) is on the list, not sure he's
ever posted but he's been there a long time none the less.

Good luck with the new TEC l60 line. 6.5 or so scopes are real nice, I
liked mine alot :-)

Mike.

Dear Mike and Stephen,
thanks for your latest posts. I am sorry I was a bit rude in my
message,
but I did it that way for purpose - stong action easier to remember
and even more it posted on Friday 13th!
As per telescope in question - Mike, thanks for offer, but I do not
need any help there - if something wrong - owner knows where we are.
About banning people - yes I may and have do this sometimes, why ? -
it is simple - I am an owner of the group and if you see "the dog" in
our scope - you are out. You admitt your mistake - welcome back.

Regards, Yuri

"Mike Fitterman" wrote in message news: C9cTc.370$iE3.35@trndny09...
First, I humbly take your berating, I deserve it. The name calling part on
TEC was more playing around with Rat, who (like you) did not notice the
winks at the end of my messages. He was frothing at the mouth and I was
enjoying it, unfortunately at your expense.

However, I will mention that what both Steve and I and the mystery man
(whose a friend whose not Dan McShane) did indeed look through that scope.
I do not believe Dan did as he was showing his wears that night as well as
toting his 7 year old son around. Dan didn't make the trip down with us.
The views did not look good as we described. And as both Steve and I said
it could have been anything. However, if you do want the name of the owner,
I'd be happy to send it to you privately. Let me know if you want it.

So I just want you to know that I apologize for my comments on TEC itself, I
really was just joking around with Rat (I had a good laugh, you and Rat
didn't). The really sad part about this is everyone got on my case for
offering an alternative that's nearly half the price of what the current
thread had evolved into. I did nothing more than that and then got crap
for. Then in the next thread that started on the same subject, there was a
comparison of the same scope against a reflector. Maybe this group should
just learn to lighten up.

I feel sad that you need to ban people from your group that were actually
trying to help (namely Stephen, although I'm not sure he was up there, it
might be a different Stephen Paul). I will mention that my friend (the
third member of our party at the conjunction) is on the list, not sure he's
ever posted but he's been there a long time none the less.

Good luck with the new TEC l60 line. 6.5 or so scopes are real nice, I
liked mine alot :-)

Mike.

Dear Mike and Stephen,
thanks for your latest posts. I am sorry I was a bit rude in my
message,
but I did it that way for purpose - stong action easier to remember
and even more it posted on Friday 13th!
As per telescope in question - Mike, thanks for offer, but I do not
need any help there - if something wrong - owner knows where we are.
About banning people - yes I may and have do this sometimes, why ? -
it is simple - I am an owner of the group and if you see "the dog" in
our scope - you are out. You admitt your mistake - welcome back.

Regards, Yuri

Hello, again, Yuri,
Glad you enjoyed my humor.
Clear skies to you,
Bill Meyers




Yuri wrote:
Bill Meyers wrote

Hello, Yuri,
I feel your pain. There is no doubt that new and original designs can
pose a threat to TEC refractors.
For examples, there are telescopes I have designed. My Vortexscope with
its 36 inch cooling fan (which cools the heck out of the 4 inch
mirror), will blow away a TEC scope.
My Nascarscope, I store in my garage, and wheel it out on a cart for
use. I have motorized the cart, and this scope will certainly run rings
around a TEC.
I am also working on a radical new design, the Dynamite, which will
leave competing scopes in the dust.
Borg scopes are also a competitive threat. Borg refractors are
exceptionally light weight, and their new Zeppelin model, is actually
lighter than air. It is expected to rise to heights that TEC can only
dream of.
clear skies to you,
Bill Meyers


Thanks Bill for your unexpectible kindness. Did you read read yourself
what you have posted? I had no pain at all, but have posted a small
lesson for relatively young persons, not for your age though.

Your above approach in to design of something in the field of
aerodynamic or in the other words in the design of the "blow away
unit" from your garage crap shows that the design is not your field
at all, you've better count something...

Technically speaking, neither of your item is capable to lift, move or
blow away
even a cover from our telescope, but for sure you can find use for the
mentioned 36" cooling fan by attaching it to your lower back... the
first thing you and people around will notice be a fresh air thanks to
personnal unit and your "blow away" dream will come through.
(-;
Ciao, Yuri.

Bill Meyers wrote in message . ..
Hello, again, Yuri,
Glad you enjoyed my humor.
Clear skies to you,
Bill Meyers

I feel, Bill, that you have got mine adequate too!
Regards, Yuri