Planets and moons losing mass by the tonnes/sec

For example: Earth surface area = 5.1e14 m2, and its atmosphere
contains
Helium (He) 5.24 ppmv (0.000524%), He = .1786 kg/m3
Hydrogen (H2) 0.55 ppmv (0.000055%), H2 = .0899 kg/m3

We seem to know more about the perpetual loss/sec of hydrogen and
helium for planets (including a few exoplanets) other than Earth.
http://vega.lpl.arizona.edu/~gilda/extrass.html

At 0.55 ppmv, in order that our atmosphere sustain that average H2
saturation, at any given moment there’s 25e6 kg of hydrogen getting
made available and unavoidably migrating upwards and away from Earth’s
surface in order to create and sustain the average 0.55 ppmv. The
question is, at what average vertical escapement velocity or
volumetric/sec exit away from Earth?

Is our hydrogen escapement worth merely 25e6 kg per day = 9.125e6
tonnes/yr, or is it as great as 25e6 kg per hour = 219e6 tonnes/year?

Like the GP-B fiasco, at best our EUVE (Extreme Ultra Violet Explorer)
could have been representing a false positive, all be its
observationology given a nifty eye-candy yellow and reddish colorized
UV image of Earth’s surrounding cloud of helium and hydrogen.
However, the solar wind caused planetary exhaust trail of H2 and He is
what needs to be more closely looked at and objectively quantified, as
most easily accomplished from our Selene/moon or from it's L1 that we
still do not have.

Existing UV and IR imaging:
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A3.html

The badly failing magnetosphere has been capable of restraining or
mildly sequestering some of Earth's hydrogen and helium by way of
having been protecting our atmosphere, but unfortunately for the past
2000 years this too is going away (most recently at -.05%/year or even
–120 nT/yr), is perhaps as good of reason why that lofty cloud of
hydrogen and helium isn't sticking around, and why the lethal SAA
contour has been exponentially growing and nearing the surface. On
the other hand, care to imagine what could happen if such terrestrial
hydrogen and helium didn’t leak away?
http://io9.com/395272/is-earths-magn...eld-failing-us
http://digitaldiatribes.wordpress.co.../geomagnetism/

Of course our perpetual naysayers and usual evidence excluding
gauntlet of our resident Usenet/newsgroup wizards and brown-nosed
clowns are not paying serious attention, or allowing any context of
consideration as to the worth or consequences of our badly failing
geomagnetic force and of its subsequent magnetosphere. It’s as though
our best physics and/or objective science doesn’t hardly matter,
unless it’s strictly interpreted in order to sustain their mainstream
status quo. In other words, for sustaining our mainstream as a viable
cabal of happy campers, apparently our best public funded science is
but worth used toilet paper.

I recall mentioning at least a few thousand times, about our having
the Selene L1 platform of science instruments easily established as of
4 decades ago, including many UV and IR imaging cameras looking at
Earth and equally at our Selene/moon that's losing it's sodium and a
few other elements at an alarming rate. However, without our having
such a nifty perspective it's simply much harder if not nearly
impossible to interpret whatever's going on.

btw, the often bogus mindset of "I always had the thoughts that free
hydrogen, and helium were lost in space and that Earth's gravity was
not strong enough to hold it" isn't what I'd gotten out of those
previously posted comments. In fact, it's pretty much the opposite of
what we’ve typically heard from most others, insisting that supposedly
Earth never loses mass, whereas instead I was the first in this or any
other Usenet/newsgroup to insist that our moon and Earth have each
been losing mass, and implying that the modern day human race has been
artificially assisting in this natural process.

Perhaps this can also explain as to why ETs would bother going to all
the trouble of extracting minerals and raw elements from another
planet or moon, such as our dire need of extracting He3 from our
Selene/moon, or that of whomever is taking substances away from Venus.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Feb 15, 10:27*am, BradGuth wrote:
For example: Earth surface area = 5.1e14 m2, and its atmosphere
contains
* * Helium (He) 5.24 ppmv (0.000524%), He = .1786 kg/m3
Hydrogen (H2) 0.55 ppmv (0.000055%), H2 = .0899 kg/m3

We seem to know more about the perpetual loss/sec of hydrogen and
helium for planets (including a few exoplanets) other than Earth.
*http://vega.lpl.arizona.edu/~gilda/extrass.html

At 0.55 ppmv, in order that our atmosphere sustain that average H2
saturation, at any given moment there’s 25e6 kg of hydrogen getting
made available and unavoidably migrating upwards and away from Earth’s
surface in order to create and sustain the average 0.55 ppmv. *The
question is, at what average vertical escapement velocity or
volumetric/sec exit away from Earth?

Is our hydrogen escapement worth merely 25e6 kg per day = 9.125e6
tonnes/yr, or is it as great as 25e6 kg per hour = 219e6 tonnes/year?

Like the GP-B fiasco, at best our EUVE (Extreme Ultra Violet Explorer)
could have been representing a false positive, all be its
observationology given a nifty eye-candy yellow and reddish colorized
UV image of Earth’s surrounding cloud of helium and hydrogen.
However, the solar wind caused planetary exhaust trail of H2 and He is
what needs to be more closely looked at and objectively quantified, as
most easily accomplished from our Selene/moon or from it's L1 that we
still do not have.

Existing UV and IR imaging:
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A3.html

The badly failing magnetosphere has been capable of restraining or
mildly sequestering some of Earth's hydrogen and helium by way of
having been protecting our atmosphere, but unfortunately for the past
2000 years this too is going away (most recently at -.05%/year or even
–120 nT/yr), is perhaps as good of reason why that lofty cloud of
hydrogen and helium isn't sticking around, and why the lethal SAA
contour has been exponentially growing and nearing the surface. *On
the other hand, care to imagine what could happen if such terrestrial
hydrogen and helium didn’t leak away?
*http://io9.com/395272/is-earths-magn...eld-failing-us
*http://digitaldiatribes.wordpress.co.../geomagnetism/

Of course our perpetual naysayers and usual evidence excluding
gauntlet of our resident Usenet/newsgroup wizards and brown-nosed
clowns are not paying serious attention, or allowing any context of
consideration as to the worth or consequences of our badly failing
geomagnetic force and of its subsequent magnetosphere. *It’s as though
our best physics and/or objective science doesn’t hardly matter,
unless it’s strictly interpreted in order to sustain their mainstream
status quo. *In other words, for sustaining our mainstream as a viable
cabal of happy campers, apparently our best public funded science is
but worth used toilet paper.

I recall mentioning at least a few thousand times, about our having
the Selene L1 platform of science instruments easily established as of
4 decades ago, including many UV and IR imaging cameras looking at
Earth and equally at our Selene/moon that's losing it's sodium and a
few other elements at an alarming rate. *However, without our having
such a nifty perspective it's simply much harder if not nearly
impossible to interpret whatever's going on.

btw, *the often bogus mindset of "I always had the thoughts that free
hydrogen, and helium were lost in space and that Earth's gravity was
not strong enough to hold it" isn't what I'd gotten out of those
previously posted comments. *In fact, it's pretty much the opposite of
what we’ve typically heard from most others, insisting that supposedly
Earth never loses mass, whereas instead I was the first in this or any
other Usenet/newsgroup to insist that our moon and Earth have each
been losing mass, and implying that the modern day human race has been
artificially assisting in this natural process.

Perhaps this can also explain as to why ETs would bother going to all
the trouble of extracting minerals and raw elements from another
planet or moon, such as our dire need of extracting He3 from our
Selene/moon, or that of whomever is taking substances away from Venus.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Sorry, I had to use our rabbi Saul Levy for my topic Gold Stars,
although I'm fairly certain that his cabal isn't going to let it stand
without first delivering a few swift kicks into my private parts.

Fortunately, Earth isn't going to run itself out of hydrogen or helium
anytime soon, not even with our help. However, thus far we have
managed to lose much of our valuable He and He3, and mother Earth
certainly isn't getting itself any heavier, nor is our geomagnetic
force showing any signs of slowing its ongoing demise.

~ BG

BradGuth wrote in news:

Sorry, I had to use our rabbi Saul Levy for my topic Gold Stars,
although I'm fairly certain that his cabal isn't going to let it stand
without first delivering a few swift kicks into my private parts.

I'd think that Brad's private parts are much too small for anyone to be
able to score a kick on.

Fortunately, Earth isn't going to run itself out of hydrogen or helium
anytime soon, not even with our help.

Nor is Brad ever going to run out of hot air any time soon.

What Brad needs is a good smackin' on the ass with a two-by-four, followed
by a trip to the nearest padded cell, a rude toss inside, a brand new
straightjacket, and 24/7 medical supervision. Killfile him if you have not
yet done so.
"Buzzd" wrote in message
...
BradGuth wrote in news:

Sorry, I had to use our rabbi Saul Levy for my topic Gold Stars,
although I'm fairly certain that his cabal isn't going to let it stand
without first delivering a few swift kicks into my private parts.

I'd think that Brad's private parts are much too small for anyone to be
able to score a kick on.

Fortunately, Earth isn't going to run itself out of hydrogen or helium
anytime soon, not even with our help.

Nor is Brad ever going to run out of hot air any time soon.

On Feb 15, 3:59*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Feb 15, 10:27*am, BradGuth wrote:



For example: Earth surface area = 5.1e14 m2, and its atmosphere
contains
* * Helium (He) 5.24 ppmv (0.000524%), He = .1786 kg/m3
Hydrogen (H2) 0.55 ppmv (0.000055%), H2 = .0899 kg/m3

We seem to know more about the perpetual loss/sec of hydrogen and
helium for planets (including a few exoplanets) other than Earth.
*http://vega.lpl.arizona.edu/~gilda/extrass.html

At 0.55 ppmv, in order that our atmosphere sustain that average H2
saturation, at any given moment there’s 25e6 kg of hydrogen getting
made available and unavoidably migrating upwards and away from Earth’s
surface in order to create and sustain the average 0.55 ppmv. *The
question is, at what average vertical escapement velocity or
volumetric/sec exit away from Earth?

Is our hydrogen escapement worth merely 25e6 kg per day = 9.125e6
tonnes/yr, or is it as great as 25e6 kg per hour = 219e6 tonnes/year?

Like the GP-B fiasco, at best our EUVE (Extreme Ultra Violet Explorer)
could have been representing a false positive, all be its
observationology given a nifty eye-candy yellow and reddish colorized
UV image of Earth’s surrounding cloud of helium and hydrogen.
However, the solar wind caused planetary exhaust trail of H2 and He is
what needs to be more closely looked at and objectively quantified, as
most easily accomplished from our Selene/moon or from it's L1 that we
still do not have.

Existing UV and IR imaging:
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A3.html

The badly failing magnetosphere has been capable of restraining or
mildly sequestering some of Earth's hydrogen and helium by way of
having been protecting our atmosphere, but unfortunately for the past
2000 years this too is going away (most recently at -.05%/year or even
–120 nT/yr), is perhaps as good of reason why that lofty cloud of
hydrogen and helium isn't sticking around, and why the lethal SAA
contour has been exponentially growing and nearing the surface. *On
the other hand, care to imagine what could happen if such terrestrial
hydrogen and helium didn’t leak away?
*http://io9.com/395272/is-earths-magn...eld-failing-us
*http://digitaldiatribes.wordpress.co.../geomagnetism/

Of course our perpetual naysayers and usual evidence excluding
gauntlet of our resident Usenet/newsgroup wizards and brown-nosed
clowns are not paying serious attention, or allowing any context of
consideration as to the worth or consequences of our badly failing
geomagnetic force and of its subsequent magnetosphere. *It’s as though
our best physics and/or objective science doesn’t hardly matter,
unless it’s strictly interpreted in order to sustain their mainstream
status quo. *In other words, for sustaining our mainstream as a viable
cabal of happy campers, apparently our best public funded science is
but worth used toilet paper.

I recall mentioning at least a few thousand times, about our having
the Selene L1 platform of science instruments easily established as of
4 decades ago, including many UV and IR imaging cameras looking at
Earth and equally at our Selene/moon that's losing it's sodium and a
few other elements at an alarming rate. *However, without our having
such a nifty perspective it's simply much harder if not nearly
impossible to interpret whatever's going on.

btw, *the often bogus mindset of "I always had the thoughts that free
hydrogen, and helium were lost in space and that Earth's gravity was
not strong enough to hold it" isn't what I'd gotten out of those
previously posted comments. *In fact, it's pretty much the opposite of
what we’ve typically heard from most others, insisting that supposedly
Earth never loses mass, whereas instead I was the first in this or any
other Usenet/newsgroup to insist that our moon and Earth have each
been losing mass, and implying that the modern day human race has been
artificially assisting in this natural process.

Perhaps this can also explain as to why ETs would bother going to all
the trouble of extracting minerals and raw elements from another
planet or moon, such as our dire need of extracting He3 from our
Selene/moon, or that of whomever is taking substances away from Venus.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Sorry, I had to use our rabbi Saul Levy for my topic Gold Stars,
although I'm fairly certain that his cabal isn't going to let it stand
without first delivering a few swift kicks into my private parts.

Fortunately, Earth isn't going to run itself out of hydrogen or helium
anytime soon, not even with our help. *However, thus far we have
managed to lose much of our valuable He and He3, and mother Earth
certainly isn't getting itself any heavier, nor is our geomagnetic
force showing any signs of slowing its ongoing demise.

*~ BG

Earth receives but 2 to 3 kg of space dust and assorted meteorites per
second.

At the same time we're most likely losing at least 300 kg/s of our
hydrogen and helium.

There's simply no contest, whereas Earth is losing mass, and by some
basic accounting it is easily worth a tonne/sec if you'd care to
honestly include the human derived forms of hydrogen and helium
released and/or wasted from all of our fossil energy and many
artificial forms of having created such gasses.

~ BG

BradGuth writes:

Earth receives but 2 to 3 kg of space dust and assorted meteorites per
second.

At the same time we're most likely losing at least 300 kg/s of our
hydrogen and helium.

Umm, you better check your figures. The earth gets a net increase of mass
from intercepted space dust and meteors, which exceeds that lost from
light gases. Some of the H/He in the atmosphere is from intercepted solar
wind, so is really just a visitor to Earth. Except for solar hydrogen
which reacts with oxygen, which becomes a permanent contribution to the
oceans.

Besides, who cares? Hydrogen would come from photodisassociation from
water, and less water would mean a decrease in sea level, a good thing if
global warming is real, and if there's enough of that to be noticeable.
Helium is a limited supply, but once it gets into the atmosphere, it's
pretty much lost (not worth trying to extract), and who cares if it sticks
around or escapes into space.

On Feb 16, 8:14*pm, (Michael Moroney)
wrote:
BradGuth writes:
Earth receives but 2 to 3 kg of space dust and assorted meteorites per
second.
At the same time we're most likely losing at least 300 kg/s of our
hydrogen and helium.

Umm, you better check your figures. The earth gets a net increase of mass
from intercepted space dust and meteors, which exceeds that lost from
light gases. Some of the H/He in the atmosphere is from intercepted solar
wind, so is really just a visitor to Earth. *Except for solar hydrogen
which reacts with oxygen, which becomes a permanent contribution to the
oceans.

Besides, who cares? *Hydrogen would come from photodisassociation from
water, and less water would mean a decrease in sea level, a good thing if
global warming is real, and if there's enough of that to be noticeable. *
Helium is a limited supply, but once it gets into the atmosphere, it's
pretty much lost (not worth trying to extract), and who cares if it sticks
around or escapes into space.

What part of the artificially released H2 and He didn't you get?

Are these figures correct, and if so is there an increase taking
place, and if not then where is all the artificial plus natural H2 and
He going?

Helium (He) 5.24 ppmv (0.000524%)
Hydrogen (H2) 0.55 ppmv (0.000055%)

What combined tonnage of H2+He is Earth losing per hour?

Is your private data that you have no intentions of sharing based upon
some secret satellite data?

The 1 3 kg/sec of incoming debris doesn't seem like much, does it?

~ BG

BradGuth writes:

On Feb 16, 8:14=A0pm, (Michael Moroney)
wrote:

Umm, you better check your figures. The earth gets a net increase of mass
from intercepted space dust and meteors, which exceeds that lost from
light gases. Some of the H/He in the atmosphere is from intercepted solar
wind, so is really just a visitor to Earth. =A0Except for solar hydrogen
which reacts with oxygen, which becomes a permanent contribution to the
oceans.

Besides, who cares? Hydrogen would come from photodisassociation from
water, and less water would mean a decrease in sea level, a good thing if
global warming is real, and if there's enough of that to be noticeable.
Helium is a limited supply, but once it gets into the atmosphere, it's
pretty much lost (not worth trying to extract), and who cares if it sticks
around or escapes into space.

What part of the artificially released H2 and He didn't you get?

What about it?

Are these figures correct, and if so is there an increase taking
place, and if not then where is all the artificial plus natural H2 and
He going?

H and He in the atmosphere is in equilibrium between loss to space,
outgassing from the earth, solar wind and cosmic dust (can contain several
PPM of embedded solar wind atoms). The amount over time doesn't change
much.

Helium (He) 5.24 ppmv (0.000524%)
Hydrogen (H2) 0.55 ppmv (0.000055%)

And what if all that H + He completely disappear tomorrow? Will it
even be measurable on a barometer on tomorrow's weather report?
Will your voice be a millionth of an octave lower, now that that helium
is all gone?

What combined tonnage of H2+He is Earth losing per hour?

Is your private data that you have no intentions of sharing based upon
some secret satellite data?

Once you tell me which orifice you got your data from. On the other
hand, I don't want to know.

The 1 3 kg/sec of incoming debris doesn't seem like much, does it?

BradGuth wrote:

For example: Earth surface area = 5.1e14 m2, and its atmosphere
contains
Helium (He) 5.24 ppmv (0.000524%), He = .1786 kg/m3
Hydrogen (H2) 0.55 ppmv (0.000055%), H2 = .0899 kg/m3

We seem to know more about the perpetual loss/sec of hydrogen and
helium for planets (including a few exoplanets) other than Earth.
http://vega.lpl.arizona.edu/~gilda/extrass.html
[snip crap]

Hey stooopid - second by second the Earth sweeps up more non-volatile
debris mass than it loses light gas mass.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

On Feb 15, 10:27*am, BradGuth wrote:
For example: Earth surface area = 5.1e14 m2, and its atmosphere
contains
* * Helium (He) 5.24 ppmv (0.000524%), He = .1786 kg/m3
Hydrogen (H2) 0.55 ppmv (0.000055%), H2 = .0899 kg/m3

We seem to know more about the perpetual loss/sec of hydrogen and
helium for planets (including a few exoplanets) other than Earth.
*http://vega.lpl.arizona.edu/~gilda/extrass.html

At 0.55 ppmv, in order that our atmosphere sustain that average H2
saturation, at any given moment there’s 25e6 kg of hydrogen getting
made available and unavoidably migrating upwards and away from Earth’s
surface in order to create and sustain the average 0.55 ppmv. *The
question is, at what average vertical escapement velocity or
volumetric/sec exit away from Earth?

Is our hydrogen escapement worth merely 25e6 kg per day = 9.125e6
tonnes/yr, or is it as great as 25e6 kg per hour = 219e6 tonnes/year?

Like the GP-B fiasco, at best our EUVE (Extreme Ultra Violet Explorer)
could have been representing a false positive, all be its
observationology given a nifty eye-candy yellow and reddish colorized
UV image of Earth’s surrounding cloud of helium and hydrogen.
However, the solar wind caused planetary exhaust trail of H2 and He is
what needs to be more closely looked at and objectively quantified, as
most easily accomplished from our Selene/moon or from it's L1 that we
still do not have.

Existing UV and IR imaging:
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A3.html

The badly failing magnetosphere has been capable of restraining or
mildly sequestering some of Earth's hydrogen and helium by way of
having been protecting our atmosphere, but unfortunately for the past
2000 years this too is going away (most recently at -.05%/year or even
–120 nT/yr), is perhaps as good of reason why that lofty cloud of
hydrogen and helium isn't sticking around, and why the lethal SAA
contour has been exponentially growing and nearing the surface. *On
the other hand, care to imagine what could happen if such terrestrial
hydrogen and helium didn’t leak away?
*http://io9.com/395272/is-earths-magn...eld-failing-us
*http://digitaldiatribes.wordpress.co.../geomagnetism/

Of course our perpetual naysayers and usual evidence excluding
gauntlet of our resident Usenet/newsgroup wizards and brown-nosed
clowns are not paying serious attention, or allowing any context of
consideration as to the worth or consequences of our badly failing
geomagnetic force and of its subsequent magnetosphere. *It’s as though
our best physics and/or objective science doesn’t hardly matter,
unless it’s strictly interpreted in order to sustain their mainstream
status quo. *In other words, for sustaining our mainstream as a viable
cabal of happy campers, apparently our best public funded science is
but worth used toilet paper.

I recall mentioning at least a few thousand times, about our having
the Selene L1 platform of science instruments easily established as of
4 decades ago, including many UV and IR imaging cameras looking at
Earth and equally at our Selene/moon that's losing it's sodium and a
few other elements at an alarming rate. *However, without our having
such a nifty perspective it's simply much harder if not nearly
impossible to interpret whatever's going on.

btw, *the often bogus mindset of "I always had the thoughts that free
hydrogen, and helium were lost in space and that Earth's gravity was
not strong enough to hold it" isn't what I'd gotten out of those
previously posted comments. *In fact, it's pretty much the opposite of
what we’ve typically heard from most others, insisting that supposedly
Earth never loses mass, whereas instead I was the first in this or any
other Usenet/newsgroup to insist that our moon and Earth have each
been losing mass, and implying that the modern day human race has been
artificially assisting in this natural process.

Perhaps this can also explain as to why ETs would bother going to all
the trouble of extracting minerals and raw elements from another
planet or moon, such as our dire need of extracting He3 from our
Selene/moon, or that of whomever is taking substances away from Venus.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Earth receives as little as 1 kg/sec, but otherwise perhaps as much as
2 to 3 kg of space dust and assorted meteorites per second. However,
at the same time we're most likely losing at least 300 kg/s of our
hydrogen and helium.

There's simply no contest, whereas Earth has been losing mass, and by
some basic accounting it is easily worth as much as losing a tonne/sec
if you'd care to honestly include the human derived forms of hydrogen
and helium released, and/or that which is mostly wasted from all of
our fossil energy and many artificial and industrial forms of having
created such gasses.

Our badly failing geomagnetic field is not exactly helping, and yet
there is still no official accounting of Earth’s mass reduction that
we can objectively agree upon, which leads to our using swags and
deductive speculations because so much of our basic public funded
science is either need-to-know, taboo/nondisclosure rated and/or
having been overlooked, obfuscated, or simply lost along the way.

Science obfuscation = lying by omission.

Physics obfuscation = worse than lying by omission.

The public accessible science pertaining to our Selene/moon and the
planet Venus are each loaded with mainstream obfuscation.

On the other hand, what government and of it’s many agencies doesn’t
obfuscate?

Clearly the Pope on multiple occasions has obfuscated his holy butt
off, and Zionist Jews just can’t seem to keep from obfuscating as long
as it’s only taking advantage of others.

The public funded Stanford executed GP-B experiment was obfuscation on
steroids.

Is there some kind of public mainstream policy or tradition of
systematic obfuscation? (apparently there is if our Ponzi Madoff
approved SEC and more than half our banking and mortgage
infrastructure is any example)

What I’d like to know is exactly (+/-10%) how much tonnage per second
or per year our planet is typically losing, in much the same way that
exoplanets of viable habitats have been recently identified by their
loss of such elements. An average vertical escape velocity or
migration or propagation of 4 to 5 m/s seems likely, but there's still
no objective science to go by, other than an artificial release of H2
that’s clocked at roughly 16 m/s. So, as far as I can tell there’s no
actual need of conditional physics or hocus-pocus science obfuscation,
but then I certainly could be wrong.

~ BG