History's Worst Presidential Candidate

"Eric Chomko" wrote in message
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glbrad01 ) wrote:


(snip)


What a load of crap! We are hated because of right-wing thinking like
yours. I want our allies back and a decent economy. Vote Kerry and plant a
Bush back in Texas!

Eric


"One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that, no
ordinary man could be such a fool." -- George Orwell 1945.

"Life is short, but truth works far and lives long; let us speak the
truth." -- Arthur Schopenhauer

"A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." --
Bertrand de Jouvenal.

"Sometimes the policy that seems safest is the most dangerous, and the
policy that appears most fraught with near-term risk offers the best chance
of peace over the long run." -- Robert Kagan.

"He is the best sailor who can steer within fewest points of the wind, and
exact a motive power out of the greatest obstacles." -- Henry David Thoreau

"Consensus is the negation of leadership." -- Margaret Thatcher.

"One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words 'Socialism' and
'Communism' draw toward them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker,
nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, 'Nature Cure' quack, pacifist,
and feminist in England." -- George Orwell

"Yet each move one makes is a risk, and if one thinks too long one does
not move at all, for fear of what may come, and so becomes immobile,
crouched in a shell, fearful of any move." -- Louis L'Amour.

"Blandishments will not fascinate us, nor will threats of a 'halter'
intimidate. For, under God, we are determined that where so ever, when so
ever, or how so ever we shall be called to make our exit, we will die free
men." -- Josiah Quincy.

"There is one unmistakable lesson in American history: a community that
allows a large number of young men to grow up in broken families, dominated
by women, never acquiring any stable relationship to male authority, never
acquiring any set of rational expectations about the future--that community
asks for and gets chaos. . . And it is richly deserved." -- Daniel P.
Moynihan, Family and Nation (1965)

"The government of the United States, under Lyndon Johnson, proposes to
concern itself over the quality of American life. And this is something very
new in the political theory of free nations. The quality of life has
heretofore depended on the quality of the human beings who gave tone to that
life, and they were its priests and its poets, not its
bureaucrats."--William Buckley, Jr.; On this day, 1965

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the
inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." -- Winston
Churchill.

"Unfortunately, a socioeconomic system based upon equality and
unselfishness ultimately requires force. An ongoing sacrifice of one's
wealth, labor and individuality for the benefit of others is not natural
behavior. It must be compelled. It is a basic truth that human beings, as a
derivative of the instinct to survive, are innately driven to act in their
own self-interest. Notwithstanding propaganda, conditioning, or brute force,
any government or institution that runs head on against the grain of this
basic human drive is doomed, sooner or later, to fail." -- Linda Bowles

"When authority presents itself in the guise of organization, it develops
charms fascinating enough to convert communities of free people into
totalitarian states." -- The Times, London.

"The control of the production of wealth is the control of human life
itself." -- Hilaire Belloc

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: The decayed and
degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a
war is worse. . . a man who nothing that he cares more about than he does
about his own personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of
being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than
himself." -- John Stuart Mill

"It was artfully contrived by Augustus, that, in the enjoyment of plenty,
the Romans should lose the memory of freedom." -- Edward Gibbon, The History
of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin.

"On a wall in the basement of the United States Capitol in Washington, a
bas-relief depicts a Greek warrior engaged in mortal combat with a snake.
The artist captures the moment when the man raises his sword to strike the
deathblow. Across the tableau is one word: [Courage]. Artistically, physical
courage is easy to depict. Moral courage is another matter. Moral courage
requires taking a cold, hard look at the world and then acting, accepting
the consequences, and knowing that the greatest good will ultimately be
served. Moral courage demands sacrifice--the subordination of self-interest
to the interests of others. To be morally or intellectually courageous
requires a basic sense of honesty and integrity coupled with the will to act
decisively on those principles. Moral character is of great matter in a
leader and will inevitably affect the substance of his performance. Courage,
character, and performance cannot be seperated." -- William Timperlake and
William C. Triplett II, Year of the Rat.

"In the year 1000, many people had a superstitious belief in magic. On the
verge of the year 2000, many people have a superstitious belief in science
and technology." -- Gene Edward Veith

"The worth of a state, in the long run, is the worth of the individuals
composing it; and a state which dwarfs its men in order that they may be
more docile instruments in its hands even for beneficial purposes--will find
that within small men no great thing can really be accomplished." -- John
Stuart Mill

"The great universal family of men is a utopia worthy of the most mediocre
logic." -- Isidore Ducasse, Comte de Lautremont (1846-70), French author,
poet, 'Maldoror'.

"We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading
reality." Ian Rand

"True science always verifies reality; it's only junk science that
manufactures illusions based on ideologies." -- Phyllis Schlafly.

"In recent years we have seen much talk of the 'risk-free society'. Such a
society never existed and never will, for the world is chancy and uncertain,
and this is not likely to change. Foolhardy recklessness or incaution will
always carry their penalties, and we will continue to see much effort at
removing needless hazards. But there is no way to swath the nation in cotton
wool, to assert that nature made the world benevolent and kind, and if it is
otherwise it is someone else's fault. The world will never belong to those
who temporize, who hold back from commitment or decision, who endlessly
agonize for fear of making a mistake, who show evident unease with the
times. The world will always belong to the bold, to those who take decisions
and act upon them, who seize opportunities willingly and with full knowledge
of the significance of their actions, who weigh risks with prudence but will
not delay a choice longer than is necessary." -- T. A. Heppenheimer.

"What I admire in Columbus is not his having discovered a world but his
having gone to search for it on the faith of an opinion." -- A. Robert
Turgot.

Yes, far too much "right-wing thinking" going on. A "vast right-wing
conspiracy" you might say.

Brad

"A well-hidden secret of the principate had been revealed; it was
possible, it seemed, for an emperor to be chosen outside Rome." -- Tacitus,
HISTORIES, I, 4.

James Nicoll wrote:
In article ,
Kaido Kert wrote:
2 * asin(10,000/1,500,000) = .76 degrees.
2 * asin(radius sun/1 A.U.) = .53 degrees.

Seems to me like it would blot out the sun.


Might be worth doing with Venus one day--one far of day, once we've
solved the energy problem of Earth and our plans for the rest of the
Solar System have become a few orders of magnitude grander.
Why ? Venusian upper atmosphere should be liveable as it is, as long
as you are OK with living _inside_ a blimp.

it's easier to strip mine the place if the atmosphere isn't
90 odd bar at too hot degrees.


Its plain easier to mine just about any place than to try to
either mine Venus or convert it to a state where it is minable,
so I really wonder why one would bother?

--
Sander

+++ Out of cheese error +++

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:11:17 +0200, in a place far, far away, "Ool"
made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:

Saddam didn't attack you. Not even the Afghans attacked you. A bunch
of Saudis, one Egyptian, one Lebanese, and two UAE-citizens hijacked
your planes using *box cutters.* Not guns. Not RPGs. Box cutters!

What's your point?

Western Civilization's enemies, both foreign and domestic over the whole world, will be so damned relieved to get someone like
Bill Clinton (meaning John Kerry) back in as America's President.

It was Bush Sr. who decided not to take out Saddam. It was Reagan and
Bush who decided to sell WMDs to Saddam and arms to the Iranians, the
Taliban... It was Clinton whose policies made sure, as it turned out
today, that Saddam was in no position to supply terrorists with any-
thing dangerous.

Bill Clinton did that? Who knew?

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 03:11:06 GMT, in a place far, far away, Scott
Lowther made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Iddeed? If there was a grand total of one SPS, would it's power be for
sale to anybody?


No, not that that has any relevance to the discussion. In what
bizarro world would there be a grand total of one SPS?


The real world. What, you expect that a dozen SPS are going to come on
line simultaneously?

No, but several might be under construction before the first one is
completed.

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:14:42 +0200, in a place far, far away, "Ool"
made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:

"Rand Simberg" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 02:40:59 +0200, in a place far, far away, "Ool"
made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:

There's always the chance that the first SPS will be in GEO over
China...

That seems extremely unlikely, barring some radical change there. SPS
won't be built with conventional technology, which is all the Chinese
are pursuing.


You mean the same conventional technology as the Soyuz spacecraft, be-
ing the only means of supplying ISS for the moment?

Yes. No SPS will be built that way.

You mean conven-
tional technology unlike the oh-so-high-tech Space Shuttle, two of
which disintegrated, killing those on board, and the rest of which are
grounded today?

No, that's conventional technology as well, and also not the road to
SPS.

As for the Chinese not being able to produce unconventional technolo-
gy--they produce more scientific papers today than Americans do, so
scoffing at them might be as misguided as scoffing at the Japanese was
in the Seventies or at the Russians in the Fifties...

I'll stop scoffing at them when they start to show a little
imagination in their space activities, instead of simply copying
failed approaches.

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:39:57 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
(Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: : : Yes, that's all they see space for. That must be why the president
: : : declared that the policy of the US is to go back to the Moon, and
: : : beyond, back in January.
: :
: : Rand, when Bush did that, you are aware that it came at the one year
: : anniversary of the Columbia disaster?
:
: : No, I'm not aware of that. Unlike you, I prefer to be aware of only
: : things that are true.
:
: So, Bush DIDN'T address the issue of the Columbia disaster of one year
: before during his Moon-Mars speech?

: I don't recall, but that's not what you said. And it wouldn't have
: been possible for him to do that, since it hadn't occured one year
: before.

Right, just 50 weeks. The point is Bush has done nothing to create any
serious schedule to return to the Moon or go to Mars.

Yes, he has.

: Nor do I see any relevance to the issue of whether or not he called
: for a return to the Moon, and beyond.

I do!

Who cares? You see lots of wacky things that no one else does.

October 26, 2004

Rand Simberg wrote:

Right, just 50 weeks. The point is Bush has done nothing to create any
serious schedule to return to the Moon or go to Mars.



Yes, he has.



: Nor do I see any relevance to the issue of whether or not he called
: for a return to the Moon, and beyond.

I do!



Who cares? You see lots of wacky things that no one else does.



You do care, apparently, considering the number of times you have
responded to his usenet posts.

Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net

I mean, hydrogen is so light--it could even be transported in automat-
ed airships......

I think little could be transported that way. OTOH, I think this would
make an interesting alternative (and might be economic if there exists
widespread hydrogen infrastructure) to transport by airplane or boat.


H2 airtankers might just be the thing, as would zeppelin airfreighters. I
don't imagine that 3-day Atlantic passages on zeppelins would again be
successful.

Leonard C. Robinson ) wrote:
: Ah yes: The Europeans are willing to fight to the last -- AMERICAN.

Well since we are addicted to war...

: To paraphrase Rudyard Kipling --

: "For it's Ollie this, and Ollie that,
: And 'Ollie, how's your soul?'
: But it's 'Thin red line of 'eroes'
: When the drums begin to roll!"

: "Let every nation know, whether we wish them well or ill, that we will pay
: any price, bear any burden, endure every hardship, support any friend,
: oppose any foe in order to secure the survival and success of liberty."

: John Fitzgerald Kennedy (1917-63)
: President of the United States

Yeah and we know what happened to him...

Eric

: --
: Leonard C Robinson
: "On strange worlds beneath strange suns,
: Time and the Gods are preparing for Man the sites of cities yet to be."
: (Sir Arthur Charles, Lord Clarke of Serendip)

glbrad01 ) wrote:

: "Eric Chomko" wrote in message
: ...
: glbrad01 ) wrote:
:

: (snip)

:
: What a load of crap! We are hated because of right-wing thinking like
: yours. I want our allies back and a decent economy. Vote Kerry and plant a
: Bush back in Texas!
:
: Eric
:

: "One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that, no
: ordinary man could be such a fool." -- George Orwell 1945.

Did Orwell say that or a character in his book? There is a distinction but
I suspect that it escapes you.

: "Life is short, but truth works far and lives long; let us speak the
: truth." -- Arthur Schopenhauer

Yes, you should try it sometime.

: "A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." --
: Bertrand de Jouvenal.

: "Sometimes the policy that seems safest is the most dangerous, and the
: policy that appears most fraught with near-term risk offers the best chance
: of peace over the long run." -- Robert Kagan.

: "He is the best sailor who can steer within fewest points of the wind, and
: exact a motive power out of the greatest obstacles." -- Henry David Thoreau

: "Consensus is the negation of leadership." -- Margaret Thatcher.

: "One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words 'Socialism' and
: 'Communism' draw toward them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker,
: nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, 'Nature Cure' quack, pacifist,
: and feminist in England." -- George Orwell

: "Yet each move one makes is a risk, and if one thinks too long one does
: not move at all, for fear of what may come, and so becomes immobile,
: crouched in a shell, fearful of any move." -- Louis L'Amour.

: "Blandishments will not fascinate us, nor will threats of a 'halter'
: intimidate. For, under God, we are determined that where so ever, when so
: ever, or how so ever we shall be called to make our exit, we will die free
: men." -- Josiah Quincy.

: "There is one unmistakable lesson in American history: a community that
: allows a large number of young men to grow up in broken families, dominated
: by women, never acquiring any stable relationship to male authority, never
: acquiring any set of rational expectations about the future--that community
: asks for and gets chaos. . . And it is richly deserved." -- Daniel P.
: Moynihan, Family and Nation (1965)

: "The government of the United States, under Lyndon Johnson, proposes to
: concern itself over the quality of American life. And this is something very
: new in the political theory of free nations. The quality of life has
: heretofore depended on the quality of the human beings who gave tone to that
: life, and they were its priests and its poets, not its
: bureaucrats."--William Buckley, Jr.; On this day, 1965

The irony here of course is that Buckley is none of the above.

: "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the
: inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." -- Winston
: Churchill.

: "Unfortunately, a socioeconomic system based upon equality and
: unselfishness ultimately requires force. An ongoing sacrifice of one's
: wealth, labor and individuality for the benefit of others is not natural
: behavior. It must be compelled. It is a basic truth that human beings, as a
: derivative of the instinct to survive, are innately driven to act in their
: own self-interest. Notwithstanding propaganda, conditioning, or brute force,
: any government or institution that runs head on against the grain of this
: basic human drive is doomed, sooner or later, to fail." -- Linda Bowles

: "When authority presents itself in the guise of organization, it develops
: charms fascinating enough to convert communities of free people into
: totalitarian states." -- The Times, London.

: "The control of the production of wealth is the control of human life
: itself." -- Hilaire Belloc

: "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: The decayed and
: degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a
: war is worse. . . a man who nothing that he cares more about than he does
: about his own personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of
: being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than
: himself." -- John Stuart Mill

: "It was artfully contrived by Augustus, that, in the enjoyment of plenty,
: the Romans should lose the memory of freedom." -- Edward Gibbon, The History
: of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

: "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,
: deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin.

: "On a wall in the basement of the United States Capitol in Washington, a
: bas-relief depicts a Greek warrior engaged in mortal combat with a snake.
: The artist captures the moment when the man raises his sword to strike the
: deathblow. Across the tableau is one word: [Courage]. Artistically, physical
: courage is easy to depict. Moral courage is another matter. Moral courage
: requires taking a cold, hard look at the world and then acting, accepting
: the consequences, and knowing that the greatest good will ultimately be
: served. Moral courage demands sacrifice--the subordination of self-interest
: to the interests of others. To be morally or intellectually courageous
: requires a basic sense of honesty and integrity coupled with the will to act
: decisively on those principles. Moral character is of great matter in a
: leader and will inevitably affect the substance of his performance. Courage,
: character, and performance cannot be seperated." -- William Timperlake and
: William C. Triplett II, Year of the Rat.

: "In the year 1000, many people had a superstitious belief in magic. On the
: verge of the year 2000, many people have a superstitious belief in science
: and technology." -- Gene Edward Veith

: "The worth of a state, in the long run, is the worth of the individuals
: composing it; and a state which dwarfs its men in order that they may be
: more docile instruments in its hands even for beneficial purposes--will find
: that within small men no great thing can really be accomplished." -- John
: Stuart Mill

: "The great universal family of men is a utopia worthy of the most mediocre
: logic." -- Isidore Ducasse, Comte de Lautremont (1846-70), French author,
: poet, 'Maldoror'.

: "We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading
: reality." Ian Rand

: "True science always verifies reality; it's only junk science that
: manufactures illusions based on ideologies." -- Phyllis Schlafly.

: "In recent years we have seen much talk of the 'risk-free society'. Such a
: society never existed and never will, for the world is chancy and uncertain,
: and this is not likely to change. Foolhardy recklessness or incaution will
: always carry their penalties, and we will continue to see much effort at
: removing needless hazards. But there is no way to swath the nation in cotton
: wool, to assert that nature made the world benevolent and kind, and if it is
: otherwise it is someone else's fault. The world will never belong to those
: who temporize, who hold back from commitment or decision, who endlessly
: agonize for fear of making a mistake, who show evident unease with the
: times. The world will always belong to the bold, to those who take decisions
: and act upon them, who seize opportunities willingly and with full knowledge
: of the significance of their actions, who weigh risks with prudence but will
: not delay a choice longer than is necessary." -- T. A. Heppenheimer.

: "What I admire in Columbus is not his having discovered a world but his
: having gone to search for it on the faith of an opinion." -- A. Robert
: Turgot.

: Yes, far too much "right-wing thinking" going on. A "vast right-wing
: conspiracy" you might say.

Yes, so vast that it isn't even just right-wing. The Founding Fathers were
liberals and the King was conservative for starters.

I think you need more quotes from Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh as you're
confused to say the least, if you think all of the above quotations are
right-wing.

Eric

: Brad

: "A well-hidden secret of the principate had been revealed; it was
: possible, it seemed, for an emperor to be chosen outside Rome." -- Tacitus,
: HISTORIES, I, 4.