A really great essay by Keith Cowing

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:13:52 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my monitor
: glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: : With all due respect, Rand, even if she was in DI and not DO,
: : she was abroad under diplomatic cover doing fieldwork
: : in not entirely friendly foreign countries, and that
: : qualifies as 'agent' for most people (including me).
:
: : I wasn't aware that she was abroad at the time.
:
: There appears to be several facts that you are not aware of.

: Such as?

That it was made clear to her husband that she was "fair game."
Fair game? Who is the enemy here?

Eric

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Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:00:59 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my monitor
: glow in such a way as to indicate that:


: : A CIA employee. They have many who aren't agents.
:
: I CIA employee gets mentioned in the paper to prove a point? What point?!

: Who knows? You tell me.

That the current Republcan administration will to all lengths to stay in
power.

: : Just the wife of a US ambassador that wouldn't go
: : along with the lie that Saddam Hussein was trying to buy uranium from
: : Niger?
:
: : No one ever claimed that.
:
: Wilson himself said it.

: Wilson himself said what? That Saddam Hussein was trying to buy
: uranium from Niger?

No, that he was faulted for telling the truth that Saddam Hussein did NOT
try to go to Niger to buy uranium.

: : Where do you get this nonsense? Democratic Underground?
:
: Yeah, scared now?

: laughing

hehehe

Eric

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jeff findley ) wrote:
: (Eric Chomko) writes:
:
: jeff findley ) wrote:
: : Here's a graph that may shed some light on NASA's budget and just how
: : big of an anomoly Apollo funding really was:
:
: : http://www.spacepolicy.org/page_gb0899.html
:
: Thanks, I'll check it.

: For those, including Eric, who haven't checked the above site, the

I just checked it...

: graph shows NASA budget topping out in the mid-60's at about 4.5% of
: "total federal outlays". The graph ends in the late 90's with NASA
: getting a bit less than 0.2% of "total federal outlays".

So it looks like NASA is getting starved financially. And anything they
succeed with is amazing.

: That's a difference of well over an order of magnitude. Apollo
: spending was an aberration of immense proportions motivated by the
: political goal of beating the Soviets to the moon. To think otherwise
: is folly.

Take your pick of political goal: fighting the war in VietNam or going to
the moon. I'll take the latter political goal.

Eric

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Jorge R. Frank ) wrote:
: (Eric Chomko) wrote in
: :

: Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: : On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:45:10 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: : (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: : monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
:
: : I listened to the whole thing. Granted he is no scientist and
: : clearly a politician. Despite that, it is clear he set a high
: : priority on going to the moon.
:
: : Yes, because it was important to beat the Russians, not because he
: : gave a damn about the moon.
:
: Again, you seem to think he hated space and was totally against it.

: You seem to think wrong. Disinterest does not imply hatred nor opposition.

: I'm saying that his primary motivation was politcal to be sure but his
: interest, though not that deep, was still there.

: His interest was in beating the Russians; since the Russians seemed at the
: time to be intent on outdoing the US in space, he had a political interest
: in space. But it would be naive to pretend that his interest went any
: farther or deeper than that. Indeed, in his conversation with Webb, he
: actively steered Webb away from any priorities for NASA *other* than
: beating the Russians to the moon.

What other president had anything other than a poltical interest in space,
if they had any interest at all?

Eric

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Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:24:36 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my monitor
: glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: Do you know the difference between the statment, "I am not interested in
: space" and "I am not that interested in space"?

: Yes, but Kennedy worshipers seem to think that he *was that*
: interested in space.

: Again, you seem to think he hated space and was totally against it.

: No, I just think that his interest in space has been hugely overrated
: for decades..

But still, by your own admission, his interest was more than any other
president. IF it that isn't true, then do tell which president(s) was/were
more interested.

Eric

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Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:59:44 GMT, in a place far, far away, Michael
: Walsh made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
: such a way as to indicate that:

: He was at least as interested in space as later Presidents

: No one is disputing that. We're just trying to get the Kennedy
: worshipers in touch with reality.

I suppose that implies that the Kennedy haters are already in touch with
reality?

Eric

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"Eric Chomko" wrote in message
...

: What is clear is that competition is more of a motivating factor than
is
: cooperation. And that is sad IMO.

: When has cooperation ever been a motivating factor? It's sometimes a
: means to a goal, but it's not human nature for it to be a motivator.
: That's why socialism always fails.

Geez, I take it that you aren't married and raising children? Either that
or are doing it so, unhappily.

Do you cut people off in traffic because you're running late picking up your
kids? Do you drive a gas-guzzling SUV or minivan to haul all your family's
stuff around in, even though it's doing more than its part to damage the
environment? Do you vote for politicians and referenda based solely on how
they will affect *you*, the hell with anybody else? Do you stab your
coworkers in teh back so you can keep *your* job, because you have a family
to support? Do you give all your disposable income to help people with
nothing, or do you save it up so your own kids can go to a good college? Do
you buy your kids a bunch of new clothes and toys while there are millions
of children who have nothing? Do you get ****ed off at all the immigrants
crowding your city and taking jobs away? Do you lock your doors so people
don't steal yoru belongings? Do you look the other way when a homeless
person asks you for money? Do you spend your leisure time watching TV and
surfing the webm or do you help teach underprivileged children to read so
they can get a better life?

Just how "cooperative" are you, Eric?

--
Terrell Miller


"Very often, a 'free' feestock will still lead to a very expensive system.
One that is quite likely noncompetitive"
- Don Lancaster

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Jorge R. Frank ) wrote:
: (Eric Chomko) wrote in
: :

: His interest was in beating the Russians; since the Russians seemed
: at the time to be intent on outdoing the US in space, he had a
: political interest in space. But it would be naive to pretend that
: his interest went any farther or deeper than that. Indeed, in his
: conversation with Webb, he actively steered Webb away from any
: priorities for NASA *other* than beating the Russians to the moon.

What other president had anything other than a poltical interest in
space, if they had any interest at all?

I don't think *any* president has had anything other than a political
interest in space.

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Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:59:44 GMT, in a place far, far away, Michael
: Walsh made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
: such a way as to indicate that:

: He was at least as interested in space as later Presidents

: No one is disputing that. We're just trying to get the Kennedy
: worshipers in touch with reality.

I suppose that implies that the Kennedy haters are already in touch
with reality?

Is your world really that black-and-white? Do you believe that a person
who doesn't worship JFK must be a JFK hater?


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"Jorge R. Frank" wrote:

(Eric Chomko) wrote in
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Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:59:44 GMT, in a place far, far away, Michael
: Walsh made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
: such a way as to indicate that:

: He was at least as interested in space as later Presidents

: No one is disputing that. We're just trying to get the Kennedy
: worshipers in touch with reality.

I suppose that implies that the Kennedy haters are already in touch
with reality?

Is your world really that black-and-white? Do you believe that a person
who doesn't worship JFK must be a JFK hater?

I did not take that as the message. There is certainly a segment of JFK
haters as well as JFK worshipers.

However, I don't believe JFK haters have ever reached the level of
Clinton haters or haters of "That Man in the White House" FDR.

Mike Walsh