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  #121  
Old May 22nd 09, 05:50 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,misc.education.science,sci.physics
BradGuth
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Default Planets and moons losing mass by the tonnes/sec

For example: Earth surface area = 5.1e14 m2, and the atmosphere
contains:
Helium (He) 5.24 ppmv (0.000524%), He = .1786 kg/m3
Hydrogen (H2) 0.55 ppmv (0.000055%), H2 = .0899 kg/m3

We seem to know more about the perpetual loss of hydrogen and helium
for the likes of other planets (including a few exoplanets) other than
Earth.
http://vega.lpl.arizona.edu/~gilda/extrass.html

At 0.55 ppmv, in order that our atmosphere sustain that average H2
saturation, at any given moment there’s a natural 25e6 kg flow of
hydrogen getting made available and unavoidably migrating upwards and
away from Earth’s surface in order to create and sustain this average
of 0.55 ppmv. The question is, at what average vertical escapement
velocity or volumetric/sec exit away from Earth are we looking at?

This topic pertaining to our 0.55 ppmv of atmospheric hydrogen and its
escapement; is it worth merely 25e6 kg per day = 9.125e6 tonnes/yr,
or is it as great as 25e6 kg per hour = 219e6 tonnes/year?

If the ongoing loss of H2 loss isn’t quite impressive enough, now we
need to focus on our atmospheric helium that’s nearly ten fold greater
by volume.

Like the GP-B fiasco, at best our EUVE (Extreme Ultra Violet Explorer)
could have been representing a false positive, all be its
observationology given that nifty artificial eye-candy hue of yellow
and reddish colorized EUV image of Earth’s surrounding cloud of helium
and hydrogen. However, the solar wind caused planetary exhaust trail
of H2 and He is what needs to be more closely looked at and
objectively quantified, as most easily accomplished from our the
surface of our Selene/moon or best from it's L1 that oddly we still do
not have to work with.

Existing EUV, UV and IR imaging:
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A3.html
The badly failing magnetosphere has been capable of restraining or
mildly sequestering some of Earth's hydrogen and helium by way of
having been protecting our upper most atmosphere, but unfortunately
for the past 2000 years this too has been going away (most recently at
-.05%/year or even –120 nT/yr), is perhaps as good of reason why that
lofty cloud of hydrogen and helium isn't sticking around, and why the
lethal SAA contour has been exponentially growing and nearing the
surface. On the other hand, would anyone care to imagine what could
happen if such terrestrial hydrogen and helium didn’t leak away?

http://io9.com/395272/is-earths-magn...eld-failing-us
http://digitaldiatribes.wordpress.co.../geomagnetism/
Of course our perpetual naysayers and the usual evidence excluding
gauntlet of our resident Usenet/newsgroup wizards and brown-nosed
clowns of perpetual obfuscation and denial are not paying serious
attention, or allowing any context of consideration as to the worth or
consequences of our badly failing geomagnetic force and thereby of its
subsequent fading magnetosphere. It’s as though our best physics and/
or objective science doesn’t hardly matter, unless it’s strictly
interpreted by those in charge in order to sustain their mainstream
status quo. In other words, for sustaining our mainstream as a viable
cabal of happy campers, apparently our best public funded science is
but worth used toilet paper, and whatever NASA mishaps of botched or
failed missions are not to be taken seriously, if at all.

I recall mentioning at least a few thousand times, about our having
the Selene L1 platform of science instruments easily established as
of 4 decades ago, including a 10x TRACE-II, plus many UV and IR
imaging cameras looking at the whole sphere of Earth and equally at
our Selene/moon that's losing it's sodium and a few other elements at
an
alarming rate. However, without our having such a nifty remote
perspective it's simply much harder if not nearly impossible to
interpret whatever's going on.

Btw, the often bogus mindset of "I always had the thoughts that free
hydrogen, and helium were lost in space and that Earth's gravity was
not strong enough to hold it" isn't what I'd gotten out of the vast
bulk of the previously posted comments. In fact, it's pretty much the
opposite of what we’ve typically heard from most others, insisting
that supposedly Earth never loses mass, whereas instead Earth
supposedly gains several thousand tonnes per year. However, I was
clearly the first contributor in this or any other Usenet/newsgroup to
insist that our moon and Earth have each been losing a great deal of
mass, and implying that the modern day human race has in fact been
artificially assisting in this natural process.

Perhaps this can also explain as to why ETs would bother going to all
the trouble of extracting minerals and raw exotic elements from
another planet or moon, such as our dire need of extracting He3 from
our Selene/moon, or appreciating as to that of whomever is taking
substances of value away from Venus.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
  #122  
Old May 23rd 09, 04:09 AM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,misc.education.science,sci.physics
BradGuth
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Default Planets and moons losing mass by the tonnes/sec

On May 22, 9:50*am, BradGuth wrote:
For example: Earth surface area = 5.1e14 m2, and the atmosphere
contains:
* * Helium (He) 5.24 ppmv (0.000524%), He = .1786 kg/m3
Hydrogen (H2) 0.55 ppmv (0.000055%), H2 = .0899 kg/m3

We seem to know more about the perpetual loss of hydrogen and helium
for the likes of other planets (including a few exoplanets) other than
Earth.
*http://vega.lpl.arizona.edu/~gilda/extrass.html

At 0.55 ppmv, in order that our atmosphere sustain that average H2
saturation, at any given moment there’s a natural 25e6 kg flow of
hydrogen getting made available and unavoidably migrating upwards and
away from Earth’s surface in order to create and sustain this average
of 0.55 ppmv. *The question is, at what average vertical escapement
velocity or volumetric/sec exit away from Earth are we looking at?

This topic pertaining to our 0.55 ppmv of atmospheric hydrogen and its
escapement; *is it worth merely 25e6 kg per day = 9.125e6 tonnes/yr,
or is it as great as 25e6 kg per hour = 219e6 tonnes/year?

If the ongoing loss of H2 loss isn’t quite impressive enough, now we
need to focus on our atmospheric helium that’s nearly ten fold greater
by volume.

Like the GP-B fiasco, at best our EUVE (Extreme Ultra Violet Explorer)
could have been representing a false positive, all be its
observationology given that nifty artificial eye-candy hue of yellow
and reddish colorized EUV image of Earth’s surrounding cloud of helium
and hydrogen. *However, the solar wind caused planetary exhaust trail
of H2 and He is what needs to be more closely looked at and
objectively quantified, as most easily accomplished from our the
surface of our Selene/moon or best from it's L1 that oddly we still do
not have to work with.

Existing EUV, UV and IR imaging:
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A3.html
*The badly failing magnetosphere has been capable of restraining or
mildly sequestering some of Earth's hydrogen and helium by way of
having been protecting our upper most atmosphere, but unfortunately
for the past 2000 years this too has been going away (most recently at
-.05%/year or even –120 nT/yr), is perhaps as good of reason why that
lofty cloud of hydrogen and helium isn't sticking around, and why the
lethal SAA contour has been exponentially growing and nearing the
surface. *On the other hand, would anyone care to imagine what could
happen if such terrestrial hydrogen and helium didn’t leak away?

*http://io9.com/395272/is-earths-magn...eld-failing-us
*http://digitaldiatribes.wordpress.co.../geomagnetism/
Of course our perpetual naysayers and the usual evidence excluding
gauntlet of our resident Usenet/newsgroup wizards and brown-nosed
clowns of perpetual obfuscation and denial are not paying serious
attention, or allowing any context of consideration as to the worth or
consequences of our badly failing geomagnetic force and thereby of its
subsequent fading magnetosphere. *It’s as though our best physics and/
or objective science doesn’t hardly matter, unless it’s strictly
interpreted by those in charge in order to sustain their mainstream
status quo. *In other words, for sustaining our mainstream as a viable
cabal of happy campers, apparently our best public funded science is
but worth used toilet paper, and whatever NASA mishaps of botched or
failed missions are not to be taken seriously, if at all.

I recall mentioning at least a few thousand times, about our having
the Selene L1 platform of science instruments easily established as
of *4 decades ago, including a 10x TRACE-II, plus many UV and IR
imaging cameras looking at the whole sphere of Earth and equally at
our Selene/moon that's losing it's sodium and a few other elements at
an alarming rate. *However, without our having such a nifty remote
perspective it's simply much harder if not nearly impossible to
interpret whatever's going on.

Btw, *the often bogus mindset of "I always had the thoughts that free
hydrogen, and helium were lost in space and that Earth's gravity was
not strong enough to hold it" isn't what I'd gotten out of the vast
bulk of the previously posted comments. *In fact, it's pretty much the
opposite of what we’ve typically heard from most others, insisting
that supposedly Earth never loses mass, whereas instead Earth
supposedly gains several thousand tonnes per year. *However, I was
clearly the first contributor in this or any other Usenet/newsgroup to
insist that our moon and Earth have each been losing a great deal of
mass, and implying that the modern day human race has in fact been
artificially assisting in this natural process.

Perhaps this can also explain as to why ETs would bother going to all
the trouble of extracting minerals and raw exotic elements from
another planet or moon, such as our dire need of extracting He3 from
our Selene/moon, or appreciating as to that of whomever is taking
substances of value away from Venus.


Where's the mainstream physics and science that's supposedly proving
Earth isn't losing mass?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
  #123  
Old May 23rd 09, 09:57 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,misc.education.science,sci.physics
BradGuth
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Posts: 21,544
Default Planets and moons losing mass by the tonnes/sec

On May 22, 8:09*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On May 22, 9:50*am, BradGuth wrote:



For example: Earth surface area = 5.1e14 m2, and the atmosphere
contains:
* * Helium (He) 5.24 ppmv (0.000524%), He = .1786 kg/m3
Hydrogen (H2) 0.55 ppmv (0.000055%), H2 = .0899 kg/m3


We seem to know more about the perpetual loss of hydrogen and helium
for the likes of other planets (including a few exoplanets) other than
Earth.
*http://vega.lpl.arizona.edu/~gilda/extrass.html


At 0.55 ppmv, in order that our atmosphere sustain that average H2
saturation, at any given moment there’s a natural 25e6 kg flow of
hydrogen getting made available and unavoidably migrating upwards and
away from Earth’s surface in order to create and sustain this average
of 0.55 ppmv. *The question is, at what average vertical escapement
velocity or volumetric/sec exit away from Earth are we looking at?


This topic pertaining to our 0.55 ppmv of atmospheric hydrogen and its
escapement; *is it worth merely 25e6 kg per day = 9.125e6 tonnes/yr,
or is it as great as 25e6 kg per hour = 219e6 tonnes/year?


If the ongoing loss of H2 loss isn’t quite impressive enough, now we
need to focus on our atmospheric helium that’s nearly ten fold greater
by volume.


Like the GP-B fiasco, at best our EUVE (Extreme Ultra Violet Explorer)
could have been representing a false positive, all be its
observationology given that nifty artificial eye-candy hue of yellow
and reddish colorized EUV image of Earth’s surrounding cloud of helium
and hydrogen. *However, the solar wind caused planetary exhaust trail
of H2 and He is what needs to be more closely looked at and
objectively quantified, as most easily accomplished from our the
surface of our Selene/moon or best from it's L1 that oddly we still do
not have to work with.


Existing EUV, UV and IR imaging:
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A3.html
*The badly failing magnetosphere has been capable of restraining or
mildly sequestering some of Earth's hydrogen and helium by way of
having been protecting our upper most atmosphere, but unfortunately
for the past 2000 years this too has been going away (most recently at
-.05%/year or even –120 nT/yr), is perhaps as good of reason why that
lofty cloud of hydrogen and helium isn't sticking around, and why the
lethal SAA contour has been exponentially growing and nearing the
surface. *On the other hand, would anyone care to imagine what could
happen if such terrestrial hydrogen and helium didn’t leak away?


*http://io9.com/395272/is-earths-magn...eld-failing-us
*http://digitaldiatribes.wordpress.co.../geomagnetism/
Of course our perpetual naysayers and the usual evidence excluding
gauntlet of our resident Usenet/newsgroup wizards and brown-nosed
clowns of perpetual obfuscation and denial are not paying serious
attention, or allowing any context of consideration as to the worth or
consequences of our badly failing geomagnetic force and thereby of its
subsequent fading magnetosphere. *It’s as though our best physics and/
or objective science doesn’t hardly matter, unless it’s strictly
interpreted by those in charge in order to sustain their mainstream
status quo. *In other words, for sustaining our mainstream as a viable
cabal of happy campers, apparently our best public funded science is
but worth used toilet paper, and whatever NASA mishaps of botched or
failed missions are not to be taken seriously, if at all.


I recall mentioning at least a few thousand times, about our having
the Selene L1 platform of science instruments easily established as
of *4 decades ago, including a 10x TRACE-II, plus many UV and IR
imaging cameras looking at the whole sphere of Earth and equally at
our Selene/moon that's losing it's sodium and a few other elements at
an alarming rate. *However, without our having such a nifty remote
perspective it's simply much harder if not nearly impossible to
interpret whatever's going on.


Btw, *the often bogus mindset of "I always had the thoughts that free
hydrogen, and helium were lost in space and that Earth's gravity was
not strong enough to hold it" isn't what I'd gotten out of the vast
bulk of the previously posted comments. *In fact, it's pretty much the
opposite of what we’ve typically heard from most others, insisting
that supposedly Earth never loses mass, whereas instead Earth
supposedly gains several thousand tonnes per year. *However, I was
clearly the first contributor in this or any other Usenet/newsgroup to
insist that our moon and Earth have each been losing a great deal of
mass, and implying that the modern day human race has in fact been
artificially assisting in this natural process.


Perhaps this can also explain as to why ETs would bother going to all
the trouble of extracting minerals and raw exotic elements from
another planet or moon, such as our dire need of extracting He3 from
our Selene/moon, or appreciating as to that of whomever is taking
substances of value away from Venus.


Where's the mainstream physics and science that's supposedly proving
Earth isn't losing mass?


Where's the mainstream objective and quantified proof-positive, as to
one way or the other?

I guess we all know who in Usenet is on the side of Big Energy.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
  #124  
Old May 24th 09, 04:49 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,misc.education.science,sci.physics
BradGuth
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Posts: 21,544
Default Planets and moons losing mass by the tonnes/sec

On May 23, 1:57*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On May 22, 8:09*pm, BradGuth wrote:


On May 22, 9:50*am, BradGuth wrote:


For example: Earth surface area = 5.1e14 m2, and the atmosphere
contains:
* * Helium (He) 5.24 ppmv (0.000524%), He = .1786 kg/m3
Hydrogen (H2) 0.55 ppmv (0.000055%), H2 = .0899 kg/m3


We know more about the perpetual loss of hydrogen and helium
for the likes of other planets (including a few exoplanets) other than
Earth.
*http://vega.lpl.arizona.edu/~gilda/extrass.html


At 0.55 ppmv, in order that our atmosphere sustain that average H2
saturation, at any given moment there’s a natural 25e6 kg flow of
hydrogen getting made available, unavoidably migrating upwards and
away from Earth’s surface in order to create and sustain this average
of 0.55 ppmv. *The question is, at what average vertical escapement
velocity or volumetric/sec exit away from Earth are we looking at?


This topic pertaining to our 0.55 ppmv of atmospheric hydrogen and its
escapement; *is it worth merely 25e6 kg per day = 9.125e6 tonnes/yr,
or is it as great as 25e6 kg per hour = 219e6 tonnes/year?


If the ongoing loss of H2 loss isn’t quite impressive enough, now we
need to focus on our atmospheric helium that’s nearly ten fold greater
by volume.


Like the GP-B fiasco, at best our EUVE (Extreme Ultra Violet Explorer)
could have been representing a false positive, all be its
observationology given that nifty artificial eye-candy hue of yellow
and reddish colorized EUV image of Earth’s surrounding cloud of helium
and hydrogen. *However, the solar wind caused planetary exhaust trail
of H2 and He is what needs to be more closely looked at and
objectively quantified, as most easily accomplished from our the
surface of our Selene/moon or best from it's L1 that oddly we still do
not have to work with.


Existing EUV, UV and IR imaging:
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A3.html
*The badly failing magnetosphere has been capable of restraining or
mildly sequestering some of Earth's hydrogen and helium by way of
having been protecting our upper most atmosphere, but unfortunately
for the past 2000 years this too has been going away (most recently at
-.05%/year or even –120 nT/yr), perhaps as good of reason why that
lofty cloud of hydrogen and helium isn't sticking around, and why the
lethal SAA contour has been exponentially growing and nearing the
surface. *On the other hand, would anyone care to imagine what could
happen if such terrestrial hydrogen and helium didn’t leak away?


*http://io9.com/395272/is-earths-magn...eld-failing-us
*http://digitaldiatribes.wordpress.co.../geomagnetism/
Of course our perpetual naysayers and the usual evidence excluding
gauntlet of our resident Usenet/newsgroup wizards and brown-nosed
clowns of perpetual obfuscation and denial are not paying serious
attention, or allowing any context of consideration as to the worth or
consequences of our badly failing geomagnetic force and thereby of its
subsequent fading magnetosphere. *It’s as though our best physics
and/or objective science doesn’t hardly matter, unless it’s strictly
interpreted by those in charge in order to sustain their mainstream
status quo. *In other words, for sustaining our mainstream as a viable
cabal of happy campers, apparently our best public funded science is
but worth used toilet paper, and whatever NASA mishaps of botched or
failed missions are not to be taken seriously, if at all.


I recall mentioning at least a few thousand times, about our having
the Selene L1 platform of science instruments easily established as
of *4 decades ago, including a 10x TRACE-II, plus many UV and IR
imaging cameras looking at the whole sphere of Earth and equally at
our Selene/moon that's losing it's sodium and a few other elements at
an alarming rate. *However, without our having such a nifty remote
perspective it's simply much harder if not nearly impossible to
interpret whatever's going on.


Btw, *the often bogus mindset of "I always had the thoughts that free
hydrogen, and helium were lost in space and that Earth's gravity was
not strong enough to hold it" isn't what I'd gotten out of the vast
bulk of the previously posted comments. *In fact, it's pretty much the
opposite of what we’ve typically heard from most others, insisting
that supposedly Earth never loses mass, whereas instead Earth
supposedly gains several thousand tonnes per year. *However, I was
clearly the first contributor in this or any other Usenet/newsgroup to
insist that our moon and Earth have each been losing a great deal of
mass, and implying that the modern day human race has in fact been
artificially assisting in this natural process.


Perhaps this can also explain as to why ETs would bother going to all
the trouble of extracting minerals and raw exotic elements from
another planet or moon, such as our dire need of extracting He3 from
our Selene/moon, or appreciating as to that of whomever is taking
substances of value away from Venus.


Where's the mainstream physics and science that's supposedly proving
Earth isn't losing mass?


Where's the mainstream objective and quantified proof-positive, as to
one way or the other?

I guess we all know who within Usenet is on the side of Big Energy.


There's no question that Eden/Earth has been losing a minimum of 100
kg/sec, and otherwise our volumetric gaseous loss of helium and
hydrogen may be as great as worth a tonne/sec. Of course the resident
Borgs of our republican saturated mainstream status quo could care
less, especially their Big Energy cares far less.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
  #125  
Old May 27th 09, 08:28 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,misc.education.science,sci.physics
BradGuth
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Posts: 21,544
Default Planets and moons losing mass by the tonnes/sec

On May 22, 9:50*am, BradGuth wrote:
For example: Earth surface area = 5.1e14 m2, and the atmosphere
contains:
* * Helium (He) 5.24 ppmv (0.000524%), He = .1786 kg/m3
Hydrogen (H2) 0.55 ppmv (0.000055%), H2 = .0899 kg/m3

We seem to know more about the perpetual loss of hydrogen and helium
for the likes of other planets (including a few exoplanets) other than
Earth.
*http://vega.lpl.arizona.edu/~gilda/extrass.html

At 0.55 ppmv, in order that our atmosphere sustain that average H2
saturation, at any given moment there’s a natural 25e6 kg flow of
hydrogen getting made available and unavoidably migrating upwards and
away from Earth’s surface in order to create and sustain this average
of 0.55 ppmv. *The question is, at what average vertical escapement
velocity or volumetric/sec exit away from Earth are we looking at?

This topic pertaining to our 0.55 ppmv of atmospheric hydrogen and its
escapement; *is it worth merely 25e6 kg per day = 9.125e6 tonnes/yr,
or is it as great as 25e6 kg per hour = 219e6 tonnes/year?

If the ongoing loss of H2 loss isn’t quite impressive enough, now we
need to focus on our atmospheric helium that’s nearly ten fold greater
by volume.

Like the GP-B fiasco, at best our EUVE (Extreme Ultra Violet Explorer)
could have been representing a false positive, all be its
observationology given that nifty artificial eye-candy hue of yellow
and reddish colorized EUV image of Earth’s surrounding cloud of helium
and hydrogen. *However, the solar wind caused planetary exhaust trail
of H2 and He is what needs to be more closely looked at and
objectively quantified, as most easily accomplished from our the
surface of our Selene/moon or best from it's L1 that oddly we still do
not have to work with.

Existing EUV, UV and IR imaging:
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A3.html
*The badly failing magnetosphere has been capable of restraining or
mildly sequestering some of Earth's hydrogen and helium by way of
having been protecting our upper most atmosphere, but unfortunately
for the past 2000 years this too has been going away (most recently at
-.05%/year or even –120 nT/yr), is perhaps as good of reason why that
lofty cloud of hydrogen and helium isn't sticking around, and why the
lethal SAA contour has been exponentially growing and nearing the
surface. *On the other hand, would anyone care to imagine what could
happen if such terrestrial hydrogen and helium didn’t leak away?

*http://io9.com/395272/is-earths-magn...eld-failing-us
*http://digitaldiatribes.wordpress.co.../geomagnetism/
Of course our perpetual naysayers and the usual evidence excluding
gauntlet of our resident Usenet/newsgroup wizards and brown-nosed
clowns of perpetual obfuscation and denial are not paying serious
attention, or allowing any context of consideration as to the worth or
consequences of our badly failing geomagnetic force and thereby of its
subsequent fading magnetosphere. *It’s as though our best physics and/
or objective science doesn’t hardly matter, unless it’s strictly
interpreted by those in charge in order to sustain their mainstream
status quo. *In other words, for sustaining our mainstream as a viable
cabal of happy campers, apparently our best public funded science is
but worth used toilet paper, and whatever NASA mishaps of botched or
failed missions are not to be taken seriously, if at all.

I recall mentioning at least a few thousand times, about our having
the Selene L1 platform of science instruments easily established as
of *4 decades ago, including a 10x TRACE-II, plus many UV and IR
imaging cameras looking at the whole sphere of Earth and equally at
our Selene/moon that's losing it's sodium and a few other elements at
an
alarming rate. *However, without our having such a nifty remote
perspective it's simply much harder if not nearly impossible to
interpret whatever's going on.

Btw, *the often bogus mindset of "I always had the thoughts that free
hydrogen, and helium were lost in space and that Earth's gravity was
not strong enough to hold it" isn't what I'd gotten out of the vast
bulk of the previously posted comments. *In fact, it's pretty much the
opposite of what we’ve typically heard from most others, insisting
that supposedly Earth never loses mass, whereas instead Earth
supposedly gains several thousand tonnes per year. *However, I was
clearly the first contributor in this or any other Usenet/newsgroup to
insist that our moon and Earth have each been losing a great deal of
mass, and implying that the modern day human race has in fact been
artificially assisting in this natural process.

Perhaps this can also explain as to why ETs would bother going to all
the trouble of extracting minerals and raw exotic elements from
another planet or moon, such as our dire need of extracting He3 from
our Selene/moon, or appreciating as to that of whomever is taking
substances of value away from Venus.


Interesting how our news media is so screwed. More interesting is how
the public is getting systematically screwed and apparently lowing
every minute of it. Thank God for our "no child left behind" policy,
as kids nowadays (especially the most educated) simply do not have to
think for themselves.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
  #126  
Old May 30th 09, 12:35 AM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,misc.education.science,sci.physics
BradGuth
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 21,544
Default Planets and moons losing mass by the tonnes/sec

On May 22, 9:50*am, BradGuth wrote:
For example: Earth surface area = 5.1e14 m2, and the atmosphere
contains:
* * Helium (He) 5.24 ppmv (0.000524%), He = .1786 kg/m3
Hydrogen (H2) 0.55 ppmv (0.000055%), H2 = .0899 kg/m3

We seem to know more about the perpetual loss of hydrogen and helium
for the likes of other planets (including a few exoplanets) other than
Earth.
*http://vega.lpl.arizona.edu/~gilda/extrass.html

At 0.55 ppmv, in order that our atmosphere sustain that average H2
saturation, at any given moment there’s a natural 25e6 kg flow of
hydrogen getting made available and unavoidably migrating upwards and
away from Earth’s surface in order to create and sustain this average
of 0.55 ppmv. *The question is, at what average vertical escapement
velocity or volumetric/sec exit away from Earth are we looking at?

This topic pertaining to our 0.55 ppmv of atmospheric hydrogen and its
escapement; *is it worth merely 25e6 kg per day = 9.125e6 tonnes/yr,
or is it as great as 25e6 kg per hour = 219e6 tonnes/year?

If the ongoing loss of H2 loss isn’t quite impressive enough, now we
need to focus on our atmospheric helium that’s nearly ten fold greater
by volume.

Like the GP-B fiasco, at best our EUVE (Extreme Ultra Violet Explorer)
could have been representing a false positive, all be its
observationology given that nifty artificial eye-candy hue of yellow
and reddish colorized EUV image of Earth’s surrounding cloud of helium
and hydrogen. *However, the solar wind caused planetary exhaust trail
of H2 and He is what needs to be more closely looked at and
objectively quantified, as most easily accomplished from our the
surface of our Selene/moon or best from it's L1 that oddly we still do
not have to work with.

Existing EUV, UV and IR imaging:
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A3.html
*The badly failing magnetosphere has been capable of restraining or
mildly sequestering some of Earth's hydrogen and helium by way of
having been protecting our upper most atmosphere, but unfortunately
for the past 2000 years this too has been going away (most recently at
-.05%/year or even –120 nT/yr), is perhaps as good of reason why that
lofty cloud of hydrogen and helium isn't sticking around, and why the
lethal SAA contour has been exponentially growing and nearing the
surface. *On the other hand, would anyone care to imagine what could
happen if such terrestrial hydrogen and helium didn’t leak away?

*http://io9.com/395272/is-earths-magn...eld-failing-us
*http://digitaldiatribes.wordpress.co.../geomagnetism/
Of course our perpetual naysayers and the usual evidence excluding
gauntlet of our resident Usenet/newsgroup wizards and brown-nosed
clowns of perpetual obfuscation and denial are not paying serious
attention, or allowing any context of consideration as to the worth or
consequences of our badly failing geomagnetic force and thereby of its
subsequent fading magnetosphere. *It’s as though our best physics and/
or objective science doesn’t hardly matter, unless it’s strictly
interpreted by those in charge in order to sustain their mainstream
status quo. *In other words, for sustaining our mainstream as a viable
cabal of happy campers, apparently our best public funded science is
but worth used toilet paper, and whatever NASA mishaps of botched or
failed missions are not to be taken seriously, if at all.

I recall mentioning at least a few thousand times, about our having
the Selene L1 platform of science instruments easily established as
of *4 decades ago, including a 10x TRACE-II, plus many UV and IR
imaging cameras looking at the whole sphere of Earth and equally at
our Selene/moon that's losing it's sodium and a few other elements at
an
alarming rate. *However, without our having such a nifty remote
perspective it's simply much harder if not nearly impossible to
interpret whatever's going on.

Btw, *the often bogus mindset of "I always had the thoughts that free
hydrogen, and helium were lost in space and that Earth's gravity was
not strong enough to hold it" isn't what I'd gotten out of the vast
bulk of the previously posted comments. *In fact, it's pretty much the
opposite of what we’ve typically heard from most others, insisting
that supposedly Earth never loses mass, whereas instead Earth
supposedly gains several thousand tonnes per year. *However, I was
clearly the first contributor in this or any other Usenet/newsgroup to
insist that our moon and Earth have each been losing a great deal of
mass, and implying that the modern day human race has in fact been
artificially assisting in this natural process.

Perhaps this can also explain as to why ETs would bother going to all
the trouble of extracting minerals and raw exotic elements from
another planet or moon, such as our dire need of extracting He3 from
our Selene/moon, or appreciating as to that of whomever is taking
substances of value away from Venus.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”


How much mass can Earth afford to lose?

~ BG
  #127  
Old May 31st 09, 08:36 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,misc.education.science,sci.physics
BradGuth
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Default Planets and moons losing mass by the tonnes/sec

On May 29, 4:35*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On May 22, 9:50*am, BradGuth wrote:



For example: Earth surface area = 5.1e14 m2, and the atmosphere
contains:
* * Helium (He) 5.24 ppmv (0.000524%), He = .1786 kg/m3
Hydrogen (H2) 0.55 ppmv (0.000055%), H2 = .0899 kg/m3


We seem to know more about the perpetual loss of hydrogen and helium
for the likes of other planets (including a few exoplanets) other than
Earth.
*http://vega.lpl.arizona.edu/~gilda/extrass.html


At 0.55 ppmv, in order that our atmosphere sustain that average H2
saturation, at any given moment there’s a natural 25e6 kg flow of
hydrogen getting made available and unavoidably migrating upwards and
away from Earth’s surface in order to create and sustain this average
of 0.55 ppmv. *The question is, at what average vertical escapement
velocity or volumetric/sec exit away from Earth are we looking at?


This topic pertaining to our 0.55 ppmv of atmospheric hydrogen and its
escapement; *is it worth merely 25e6 kg per day = 9.125e6 tonnes/yr,
or is it as great as 25e6 kg per hour = 219e6 tonnes/year?


If the ongoing loss of H2 loss isn’t quite impressive enough, now we
need to focus on our atmospheric helium that’s nearly ten fold greater
by volume.


Like the GP-B fiasco, at best our EUVE (Extreme Ultra Violet Explorer)
could have been representing a false positive, all be its
observationology given that nifty artificial eye-candy hue of yellow
and reddish colorized EUV image of Earth’s surrounding cloud of helium
and hydrogen. *However, the solar wind caused planetary exhaust trail
of H2 and He is what needs to be more closely looked at and
objectively quantified, as most easily accomplished from our the
surface of our Selene/moon or best from it's L1 that oddly we still do
not have to work with.


Existing EUV, UV and IR imaging:
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A3.html
*The badly failing magnetosphere has been capable of restraining or
mildly sequestering some of Earth's hydrogen and helium by way of
having been protecting our upper most atmosphere, but unfortunately
for the past 2000 years this too has been going away (most recently at
-.05%/year or even –120 nT/yr), is perhaps as good of reason why that
lofty cloud of hydrogen and helium isn't sticking around, and why the
lethal SAA contour has been exponentially growing and nearing the
surface. *On the other hand, would anyone care to imagine what could
happen if such terrestrial hydrogen and helium didn’t leak away?


*http://io9.com/395272/is-earths-magn...eld-failing-us
*http://digitaldiatribes.wordpress.co.../geomagnetism/
Of course our perpetual naysayers and the usual evidence excluding
gauntlet of our resident Usenet/newsgroup wizards and brown-nosed
clowns of perpetual obfuscation and denial are not paying serious
attention, or allowing any context of consideration as to the worth or
consequences of our badly failing geomagnetic force and thereby of its
subsequent fading magnetosphere. *It’s as though our best physics and/
or objective science doesn’t hardly matter, unless it’s strictly
interpreted by those in charge in order to sustain their mainstream
status quo. *In other words, for sustaining our mainstream as a viable
cabal of happy campers, apparently our best public funded science is
but worth used toilet paper, and whatever NASA mishaps of botched or
failed missions are not to be taken seriously, if at all.


I recall mentioning at least a few thousand times, about our having
the Selene L1 platform of science instruments easily established as
of *4 decades ago, including a 10x TRACE-II, plus many UV and IR
imaging cameras looking at the whole sphere of Earth and equally at
our Selene/moon that's losing it's sodium and a few other elements at
an
alarming rate. *However, without our having such a nifty remote
perspective it's simply much harder if not nearly impossible to
interpret whatever's going on.


Btw, *the often bogus mindset of "I always had the thoughts that free
hydrogen, and helium were lost in space and that Earth's gravity was
not strong enough to hold it" isn't what I'd gotten out of the vast
bulk of the previously posted comments. *In fact, it's pretty much the
opposite of what we’ve typically heard from most others, insisting
that supposedly Earth never loses mass, whereas instead Earth
supposedly gains several thousand tonnes per year. *However, I was
clearly the first contributor in this or any other Usenet/newsgroup to
insist that our moon and Earth have each been losing a great deal of
mass, and implying that the modern day human race has in fact been
artificially assisting in this natural process.


Perhaps this can also explain as to why ETs would bother going to all
the trouble of extracting minerals and raw exotic elements from
another planet or moon, such as our dire need of extracting He3 from
our Selene/moon, or appreciating as to that of whomever is taking
substances of value away from Venus.


~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”


How much mass can Earth afford to lose?


Don't you find it a tad odd, as to how Big Energy and their bought and
paid for politicians have put their mutual faith-based foot down of
this topic, especially when mentioning OCO or damn near anything
associated with their ongoing global environmental impact.

These mostly Republicans puppets and their and Zionist Nazi puppet
masters must be so proud of themselves.

~ BG
  #128  
Old June 1st 09, 02:16 AM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,misc.education.science,sci.physics
BradGuth
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Posts: 21,544
Default Planets and moons losing mass by the tonnes/sec

On May 22, 9:50*am, BradGuth wrote:
For example: Earth surface area = 5.1e14 m2, and the atmosphere
contains:
* * Helium (He) 5.24 ppmv (0.000524%), He = .1786 kg/m3
Hydrogen (H2) 0.55 ppmv (0.000055%), H2 = .0899 kg/m3

We seem to know more about the perpetual loss of hydrogen and helium
for the likes of other planets (including a few exoplanets) other than
Earth.
*http://vega.lpl.arizona.edu/~gilda/extrass.html

At 0.55 ppmv, in order that our atmosphere sustain that average H2
saturation, at any given moment there’s a natural 25e6 kg flow of
hydrogen getting made available and unavoidably migrating upwards and
away from Earth’s surface in order to create and sustain this average
of 0.55 ppmv. *The question is, at what average vertical escapement
velocity or volumetric/sec exit away from Earth are we looking at?

This topic pertaining to our 0.55 ppmv of atmospheric hydrogen and its
escapement; *is it worth merely 25e6 kg per day = 9.125e6 tonnes/yr,
or is it as great as 25e6 kg per hour = 219e6 tonnes/year?

If the ongoing loss of H2 loss isn’t quite impressive enough, now we
need to focus on our atmospheric helium that’s nearly ten fold greater
by volume.

Like the GP-B fiasco, at best our EUVE (Extreme Ultra Violet Explorer)
could have been representing a false positive, all be its
observationology given that nifty artificial eye-candy hue of yellow
and reddish colorized EUV image of Earth’s surrounding cloud of helium
and hydrogen. *However, the solar wind caused planetary exhaust trail
of H2 and He is what needs to be more closely looked at and
objectively quantified, as most easily accomplished from our the
surface of our Selene/moon or best from it's L1 that oddly we still do
not have to work with.

Existing EUV, UV and IR imaging:
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A3.html
*The badly failing magnetosphere has been capable of restraining or
mildly sequestering some of Earth's hydrogen and helium by way of
having been protecting our upper most atmosphere, but unfortunately
for the past 2000 years this too has been going away (most recently at
-.05%/year or even –120 nT/yr), is perhaps as good of reason why that
lofty cloud of hydrogen and helium isn't sticking around, and why the
lethal SAA contour has been exponentially growing and nearing the
surface. *On the other hand, would anyone care to imagine what could
happen if such terrestrial hydrogen and helium didn’t leak away?

*http://io9.com/395272/is-earths-magn...eld-failing-us
*http://digitaldiatribes.wordpress.co.../geomagnetism/
Of course our perpetual naysayers and the usual evidence excluding
gauntlet of our resident Usenet/newsgroup wizards and brown-nosed
clowns of perpetual obfuscation and denial are not paying serious
attention, or allowing any context of consideration as to the worth or
consequences of our badly failing geomagnetic force and thereby of its
subsequent fading magnetosphere. *It’s as though our best physics and/
or objective science doesn’t hardly matter, unless it’s strictly
interpreted by those in charge in order to sustain their mainstream
status quo. *In other words, for sustaining our mainstream as a viable
cabal of happy campers, apparently our best public funded science is
but worth used toilet paper, and whatever NASA mishaps of botched or
failed missions are not to be taken seriously, if at all.

I recall mentioning at least a few thousand times, about our having
the Selene L1 platform of science instruments easily established as
of *4 decades ago, including a 10x TRACE-II, plus many UV and IR
imaging cameras looking at the whole sphere of Earth and equally at
our Selene/moon that's losing it's sodium and a few other elements at
an
alarming rate. *However, without our having such a nifty remote
perspective it's simply much harder if not nearly impossible to
interpret whatever's going on.

Btw, *the often bogus mindset of "I always had the thoughts that free
hydrogen, and helium were lost in space and that Earth's gravity was
not strong enough to hold it" isn't what I'd gotten out of the vast
bulk of the previously posted comments. *In fact, it's pretty much the
opposite of what we’ve typically heard from most others, insisting
that supposedly Earth never loses mass, whereas instead Earth
supposedly gains several thousand tonnes per year. *However, I was
clearly the first contributor in this or any other Usenet/newsgroup to
insist that our moon and Earth have each been losing a great deal of
mass, and implying that the modern day human race has in fact been
artificially assisting in this natural process.

Perhaps this can also explain as to why ETs would bother going to all
the trouble of extracting minerals and raw exotic elements from
another planet or moon, such as our dire need of extracting He3 from
our Selene/moon, or appreciating as to that of whomever is taking
substances of value away from Venus.


Don't you folks find it a tad odd, as to how Big Energy and their
bought and paid for politicians have put their mutual faith-based foot
down of this topic, especially whenever mentioning OCO or damn near
anything associated with their ongoing global environmental impact.

These mostly Republican puppets and their and Zionist Nazi puppet
masters must be so proud of themselves. Notice how only their brown-
nosed clowns and Usenet resident rabbis (three or more per bogus
Usenet account) are placed in charge of topic/author stalking and
mainstream damage control.

~ BG
  #129  
Old June 1st 09, 02:25 AM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,misc.education.science,sci.physics
Eric Gisse
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Posts: 1,465
Default Planets and moons losing mass by the tonnes/sec

On May 31, 5:16*pm, BradGuth wrote:
[snip all, unread]

Nobody is listening. STFU.

Tired of seeing this stupid ****ing thread endlessly bumped. Get a
blog and rant to it where we don't have to see it. Ever.
  #130  
Old June 1st 09, 06:26 AM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,misc.education.science,sci.physics
BradGuth
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Default Planets and moons losing mass by the tonnes/sec

On May 31, 6:25*pm, Eric Gisse wrote:
On May 31, 5:16*pm, BradGuth wrote:
[snip all, unread]

Nobody is listening. STFU.

Tired of seeing this stupid ****ing thread endlessly bumped. Get a
blog and rant to it where we don't have to see it. Ever.


Apparently you don't believe in the regular laws of physics or place
any value in the best available science. At least this topic is
perfectly honest and real important, and otherwise the public has a
right to know what's artificially happening to our global environment,
and that sicko individuals like yourself actually exist.

~ BG
 




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