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Old August 15th 07, 04:20 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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This reminds me of them taking the Fat Man and Little Boy off display at
the National Atomic Museum because some terrorist might learn how to
make a nuclear weapon by studying them. "So that's what we've been doing
wrong! The fins go at the _back_ end!"


When was this? I last visited about 2 years ago and they were there.


It was back around 2002 when they were going nuts about security after
911;


Yeah, the last time I visited it on base was Sept 10, 2001.

I saw it two years ago in its new location and they were there in all their
shining glory, but the statute of a sword being beaten into a plowshare was
missing. In its place was a plow made from recycled nuclear bomb casings

The new location is somewhat easier to get to (since its off base, but in
the Old Town area of Albuquerque, with its 16th century street designs).
Unfortunately, this means the outdoor exhibits are lost- the missiles,
planes, artillery and retired boomer sail. The B-52 would require the entire
lot the museum now sits on.

The first time I visited the place in 1995, I was also able to drive out to
the solar power tower I saw in National Geographic. Nobody seemed to have a
problem with my driving my pickup anywhere on base. The only time I was
asked for ID was when I entered the base, and all they wanted was what any
traffic cop would want. There was more concern over insurance than
citizenship. Makes me want to find the ashes of Atta and **** on them.


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Old August 15th 07, 04:25 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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Heck, I still have the detailed flight and
weapon delivery manuals for our fighter inventory. All perfectly legit
as long as I didn't ship or share information out of country.


And so, since transferring encryption software was illegal, PGP managed to
get out of the US by having the source code printed out, carried by hand to
Europe, then typed back in, because books about encryption weren't banned.
Which didn't stop Phil Zimmerman from getting prosecuted.

The point? Well, think of the pendilum model. All this too will pass,
and in a decade or two you will be able to get this information
sitting at your local Starbucks hotspot.


See the exchange between Dana Elcar and Roy Scheider in the beginning of
"2010".


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Old August 15th 07, 07:12 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
Pat Flannery
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Scott Hedrick wrote:
And so, since transferring encryption software was illegal, PGP managed to
get out of the US by having the source code printed out, carried by hand to
Europe, then typed back in, because books about encryption weren't banned.
Which didn't stop Phil Zimmerman from getting prosecuted.


I still like playing with my Enigma machine simulators:
http://frode.home.cern.ch/frode/crypto/index.html
http://frode.home.cern.ch/frode/crypto/simula/

Pat
 




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