Bush to announce new missions to moon

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stephen voss wrote:
Unmanned exploration should remain the domain of those
places human's can't manage: the outer planets, Jupiter's satellites
(especially Europa!), the Saturn system, Pluto etc.

A manned mission to Europa could be far more relevant than a manned
mission to mars...especially if there is an ocean underneath the ice.

Unfortunately, it's also vastly harder. Not only are the distances and
the delta-V requirements much larger, but Europa is deep in Jupiter's very
nasty Van Allen belts.

If there is a water source, that means humans can survive there for
extended periods...without as constant a stream of supplies.

Liquid water on (in) Europa may be many kilometers down. The only water
we know for sure is available on the surface is ice... and there's pretty
definitely ice just below the surface over large areas of Mars. It's not
obvious that Europa is really any better, even ignoring the considerations
noted above.
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"Scott Lowther"

Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:

Your conclusion is in conflict with the theoretical analyses,
computational
models and experimental evidence, as well as the consensus of
climatology
community.

You're a nut. Do you believe the Little Ice Age was caused by humans?
How abot the Medieval Climate Optimum? How about the multitude of ice
age cycles?

The climate has been going up and down since long before humans showed
up.

TLE has been here before. Yes, he is a nut.

Jon

Scott Lowther wrote in
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Reaganism rocks.

Reaganomics is great if your objective is to destroy your country.

Repeat after me. "Soverign default sucks."

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reality." -- Charley Reese

Coridon Henshaw wrote:

Scott Lowther wrote in
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Reaganism rocks.

Reaganomics is great if your objective is to destroy your country.

Curiously... that didn't happen. Reaganomics kicked in, tax revenues
went up, the economy recovered quite nicely from the Carter Malaise, the
Soviet Union got spent into oblivion. Cheers all around.

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"Scott Lowther"

stephen voss wrote:

However he didnt proclaim his non-policy as some bold leap forward.

Basically Bush is restating what was recommended to Nixon in 1971.

And thus it's a bold step forward, because Nixon, nor anyone else
*didn't* propose what Bush seems to be about to.

He is not proposing any new means of getting there,

Nope. Did Kennedy?

Exactly. And, he (Bush) has at least some bi-partisan support.

Jon

Jon Berndt wrote:

"Scott Lowther"

stephen voss wrote:

However he didnt proclaim his non-policy as some bold leap forward.

Basically Bush is restating what was recommended to Nixon in 1971.

And thus it's a bold step forward, because Nixon, nor anyone else
*didn't* propose what Bush seems to be about to.

He is not proposing any new means of getting there,

Nope. Did Kennedy?

Exactly. And, he (Bush) has at least some bi-partisan support.

A true path to failure would be if Bush came down with "Alright, let's
go to the moon using modernized Apollo capsules launched atop Atlas V's,
with trans-lunar injection stages made from Centaur stages and an
all-new lunar lander of the design seen in figure 43, all assembled at
the new space station composed of Shuttle ETs as shown in figure 44..."

Best to say, "Let's go to the moon... y'all show me how."

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Scott Lowther wrote:
Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:

You're a nut. Do you believe the Little Ice Age was caused by humans?
How abot the Medieval Climate Optimum? How about the multitude of ice
age cycles?

The climate has been going up and down since long before humans showed
up.

One cannot conclude from the fact that some climate change has been
natural, that all climate change is natural.

Elifritz was refering to the consensus in the informed professional
community that very recent climate change is most likely anthropogenic.

Paul

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:59:33 +0000, Eric Chomko wrote:

The first generation Bush president didn't do anything
except pay lip service to space.

Whaddya mean, he put his best man, Danforth, on the job!

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dr.o@xxxxx.? writes

Mars probes, the space telescopes, the Discovery missions - would
continue, but would they
cut the more expensive deep space missions such as Pluto Express or to
Mercury or Jupiter?
I hope not, but we shall see.

I would hate to see Pluto Express get scrapped. I would like to see a
close-up snapshot of Pluto in my lifetime.

Likewise.

What would be considered the 'most important' unmanned missions in the
planning or construction stages at the moment? (I'm assuming that all
missions actually in progress e.g. Cassini/Huygens would be protected)?

How high up the list would Pluto Express or JIMO be?
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:33:40 -0500, stephen voss wrote:

A manned mission to Europa could be far more relevant than a manned
mission to mars.

Nah, Bush would never go for a manned mission to Europa. He's still mad at
the Germans and French there! G