Less Apollo 11, more Thunderbird 11. Wires prove the Apollo moon landings were filmed on a set.

I'd argue that there's more than a wee little confidence problem with
believing most anything NASA/Apollo. However, once again and again,
we're being continually snookered and/or dumbfounded to death by those
having all the right stuff.

These kind folks in charge of promoting anything and everything NASA/
Apollo need to share and share alike, for example telling as to why
Jupiter and Io got depicted as so unusually pastel? and where the
heck are those pesky stars?
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/1..._100907_11.jpg
Unlike Venus, Jupiter isn't exactly getting well enough illuminated,
nor is it all that albedo/reflective, and that onboard camera of such
nifty CCD performance image processing being worth 16+db and having
nothing but the very best available optics isn't exactly wussy in the
dynamic range(DR) department. As for imaging the likes of Pluto will
demand a great deal of such CCD dynamic range, and most certainly that
onboard camera and terrific optics are in fact well suited for that
task.

BTW, Venus as rather easily viewed from our physically dark and naked
moon was not ever a point source of any star like dim illumination,
and only those scientists willing to destroy their job security and/or
any future possibility of related employment would dare go on record
as sharing in this truth, although there have been many other
qualified reputations that have fully supported the NASA/Apollo hoax,
as for exactly what it really was another part of our mutually
perpetrated cold-war, exactly as orchestrated along by those pesky
Zion Yids that made the likes of their Hitler into such a royal pain
in the butt, and now doing the same puppeteering on behalf of
orchestrating our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush).

However, just like Messenger's absolutely **** poor image of Earth and
apparent inability to record our physically dark moon, the New Horizon
CCD image of Jupiter and Io had also been extremely DR limited, as to
offering not much better or even as good of DR than my free cell-phone
camera could provide (certainly far worse off than Kodak film). Why
would they only utilize 1% or less of their CCD Dynamic Range?

Do you folks think JAXA's Senene CCD images are going to be as
intentionally DR limited?

Kodak KAI-1003 has a DR of 70 DB
Kodak KAI-2020 has a DR of 68 DB
Kodak KAI-4011 has a DR of 60 DB
Fairchield's Condor CCD486 or CCD3041 are only that much better yet,
along with most of such cameras processing out any given 16 bit or 16
DB worth of that CCD's extended DR, means that it should be next to
impossible as to exclude stars unless having intentionally done so via
the firmware or subsequent software instructions. Of any given FOV or
composite image that offers the likes of Earth and our moon side by
side, under identical illumination and using the very same exposure
scan is less than child's play for this generation of impressive
instruments, and anything Kodak or Fairchield can muster is certianly
matched or surpassed by whatever Sony, Fuji or others are capable of
doing.
- Brad Guth -

Fearing only the lethal wrath of those Semitic MIBs (aka pretend
atheists), you and I can safely bet our bottom dollar that it's all
about the mainstream status quo protecting yet another Zionist
perpetrated SCAM (and then some), at the very least as best applied as
damage-control upon anything pertaining to our NASA/Apollo moon
landing hoax, whereas protecting their ultimate ruse is about as cold-
war sting worthy as it ever gets.

In addition to those various links of our Apollo moon landing hoax or
ruse/sting of the century, along with whatever strings and all sorts
of hocus-pocus smoke and mirrors, once again here's something new
that's as equally extra weird, as to our pondering why all the unusual
lack of topic interest, or rather perhaps why the ongoing official
usenet banishment of anything pertaining to the JAXA SELENE/KAGUYA
mission.

Perhaps JAXA's SELENE/KAGUYA via H-2A/H-IIA is also having to become
yet another hoax, especially since it's getting so much harder to hide
those truths about our moon, as well as about the amounts of fly-by-
rocket energy it takes per given payload tonne and of the extended
amount of required travel time that such new and vastly improved
missions actually require.

Japan lunar probe reaches orbit
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.s...3f35e7781e5cdb
JAXA SELENE/KAGUYA via H-2A/H-IIA
http://www.jaxa.jp/countdown/f13/index_e.html
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm
For some silly odd reason there's been nothing of any good (meaning
informative or otherwise deductive) usenet chat about this nifty JAXA
moon mission. It's as though being all super hush-hush or taboo/
nondisclosure rated. Wonder why?

"The KAGUYA mission targets are the global characterization of lunar
surface and detailed gravimetry."
Sounds perfectly nifty and worth every bit of whatever that mission of
remote obtained science can contribute about our physically dark,
somewhat salty and otherwise unavoidably naked/anticathode worthy
mascon of gamma and X-ray saturated environment, especially as for
eventually offering those detailed reviews per each of our NASA/Apollo
hard landings or impact sites.

Perhaps this time around those new and greatly improved CCD obtained
images will honestly utilize their full dynamic range, and thus
unavoidably provide a few good FOVs that'll have to include the rather
nifty vibrance and unusual natural raw colour spectrum of Venus above
the moon's physically dark horizon, possibly even eventually sharing a
few shots that'll include Earth and Venus within the very same Field
Of View that'll still include something of the moon's natural deep
colours and contrast of those rather unusual mineral deposits.

BTW, only taking 3 weeks instead of 3 days to get JAXA's SELENE into
its outer-most lunar orbit. (go figure)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-IIA
H2A2022 / 285,000 kg (2 stage + SRBs) / total payload mass was 3020 kg
http://www.jaxa.jp/pr/brochure/pdf/01/rocket01.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE
-
Main Orbiter
Mass: 2914 kg
Size: 2.1 x 2.1 x 4.8 m
Attitude control: Three-axis stabilized
Power: 3.5 kW (Max.)
Mission period: 1 year
Mission Orbit: Circular orbit,
Altitude 100 km
Inclination 90 degree

Their total payload mass was later reported as 3020 kg + 1400 kg
faring

107:1 ratio of rocket/payload (323.42/3.02 tonnes)
H2A2022 323.42 tonnes w/fairing and payload, requires those extra 2
SRBs + 2 Solid strap-on Boosters (SSBs)

With an inert mass of merely 42.62 tonnes, or 13.18% (as opposed to
our NASA/Apollo fiasco of having to start off hauling nearly a 30%
worth of inert mass, with merely a 60:1 rocket/payload ratio) is what
seems more than a tad bit odd, if not entirely hocus-pocus worthy.

As for the SELENE mission's orbital delivery process only taking an
energy efficient 3 weeks (instead of NASA/Apollo's swift 3 days with
fuel and payload to spare) in order to get JAXA's 3 tonne mission into
lunar orbit (actually it's taking yet another two weeks for getting
into the desired 100 km polar orbit), as such seems to be entirely
believable as based upon those regular laws of fly-by-rocket physics
that our NASA/Apollo wizards apparently never have to worry about,
just like their not haviong to worry about the gamma and X-ray
saturated surface environment that was also highly electrostatic and
salty.
http://www.jaxa.jp/countdown/f13/top...330_loi3_e.pdf

Shouldn't we bother to ask if there's a little something about our
Third Reich semitic fortified NASA/Apollo hocus-pocus worth of
conditional fly-by-rocket physics, that which we do not yet honestly
know about? (apparently so)
- Brad Guth -

On Oct 14, 6:48 am, Dan wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 13, 9:14 pm, Dan wrote:
BradGuthwrote:

snip

The whole truth and nothing but the truth as based upon the regular
laws of physics and otherwise supported by the best available science
is exactly what it is. Sorry about that.
- Brad Guth -
So tell us, o wise one, how is it unmanned probes had visited most of
the solar system, Venus and the moon by 1972 yet you refuse to believe
man has landed there. You do believe Viking, Venera, Lunakod, Mariner,
Voyager and the rest actually occurred before and since, don't you? How
about shuttle and other Earth orbit manned flights? "Regular laws of
physics" dictate how such things can occur. If not find us some
scientists who can say for sure they didn't and prove it scientifically.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

snip a totally irrational and unresponsive rant

I didn't think you could come up with a cogent response and I was
correct.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text -

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How about physics duh, as being the whole truth and nothing but the
truth.

There's no such physics or subsequent science as to anything NASA/
Apollo fly-by-rocket that has us walking on that salty and otherwise
gamma and X-ray saturated moon, that's so extra physically dark that
the extremely limited dynamic range as offered by the very best of
MESSENGER couldn't even record it.
- Brad Guth -

On Oct 12, 8:16?am, "Peter Webb"
wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...

Have you figured out that you lost the War in Vietnam, if so why are
you in Iraq?

You win some, you lose some. The people of Korea, Bosnia, Kosovo are all
pretty happy the US won.

Yes, and under Democratic presidents.

With the exception of Lincoln, every war we've won has been under a
Democratic Party president.

Every war we've lost has been under a Rupublican Party president (in
its post-Lincoln "hooray for me and **** you" iteration).

Walt

On Oct 14, 12:02 pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
wrote:

I'm sure as well that there is no atmosphere to heat, but not sure
that there is no flare. In at least one of the broadcasts of LM lift
off (I seem to recall 2) that visible at the location of the engine
bell meeting descent stage there is what seems to be an extremely
brief thin bright triangle as it lifts. Perhaps if it is a "light
source" (and not some other spurious source) of some sort it could be
reflections off the mylar or perhaps mylar or other material being
vaporized within the rocket plume............Doc

But it would be ascending in daylight so it would be hard to see against
the illuminated lunar surface.
As has been pointed out, Paul VI was Pope at the time:http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/GPN-2002-000018.html

Pat

No its really not of any signifigant size and is gone when the LM is
2-3 feet (or so)above the descent stage. It happens so fast and so
soon after sep there is really no background to judge
against..........Doc

On Oct 14, 7:37 am, "Peter Webb"
wrote:
exactly as orchestrated along by those pesky

Zion Yids that made the likes of their Hitler into such a royal pain
in the butt,

I always love that bit.

Lots of rich, powerful and physics smart Jews loved and assisted
Hitler and his Third Reich army of brown-nosed minions, that is up
until it looked as though they had a seriously dead puppet on their
dirty hands. Muslims nor even Catholics are certainly not what got
Hitler so much extra bang out of so little.
- Brad Guth -

Walt wrote:
Yes, and under Democratic presidents.

With the exception of Lincoln, every war we've won has been under a
Democratic Party president.

Every war we've lost has been under a Rupublican Party president (in
its post-Lincoln "hooray for me and **** you" iteration).


Don't let Lincoln off the hook; if he'd been a really genius of a
president the Civil War would have been settled by negotiation, not blood.
The fact that he was kicked in the head by a horse at age ten and
knocked unconscious for several hours:
http://members.aol.com/RVSNorton/Lincoln19.html
....and that he may of had syphilis for decades before his presidency
that he transmitted to his wife, causing her madness:
http://www.poxhistory.com/work10.htm
Doesn't exactly argue for someone of impeccable mental clarity.
When the constitutional convention wrote the second amendment, the great
fear that inspired it was that a president would build a army and use it
to inflict his will upon the states, so that a state's armed militia
made sense as a guard against possible tyranny from a central government.
That was certainly one of the major arguments made in the Federalist Papers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_...s_Constitution
And probably why the words "well regulated militia" were included in the
amendment. The importance of the amendment to its writers can be noted
in its being the second addition to the bill of rights, preceded only by
the first amendment's rights of free speech, press, religion, and to
assemble for the redress of wrongs a government has committed; all of
which were particular wrongs that Britain was seen as having committed
against the people of America in their colonial days that should never
be repeated by a indigenous government.
In 1861, Abraham Lincoln raised a army and used it to inflict his, and
several other states, will upon some other of the states that made up
the federated states of America.
The end result was that eastern America has been "North" and "South"
ever since - divided by ideologies, memories, and history; with a wall
of 600,000 corpses separating the two sub-nations.
Before I am branded a ****ed-off Johnny Reb, you might note that my
family lived in the north at the time of the war on both sides*, and
that I'm writing this from around 200 miles south of the Canadian border
in Jamestown, North Dakota.

*...and in the case of my mother's side fought in the War Of
Independence up near Boston, as there are surviving documents showing
that the Continental Army was searching for two of them for desertion; a
fact my grandmother oddly never mentioned when she was showing me her
"Daughters Of The American Revolution" membership document. :-)

Pat

wrote:
No its really not of any signifigant size and is gone when the LM is
2-3 feet (or so)above the descent stage. It happens so fast and so
soon after sep there is really no background to judge
against..........Doc


If you could see that against the sunlit Lunar surface via a Earth-bound
telescope from the Vatican Observatory (it does actually have one;
Galileo's revenge: http://clavius.as.arizona.edu/vo/R1024/History_p1.html )
Then you could see these critters also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Moon_Hoax
Things with bat wings will need Baptism and a lot of decades of the
Rosary at the very least...I think a Lunar exorcism might be needed
here, and boy, I'd love to see the Pope get together the whole College
of Cardinals and Holy Inquisition to perform a exorcism on a entire
planetary body at once! They're going to need around ten thousand
candles, all of the Gregorian Chanters in Ireland, and a swimming pool's
worth of Holy Water to pull that stunt off. :-)
Would make a great DVD though. I say we get Quentin Tarantino to write
the script for the whole operation.
"Expellium Satanus et Lunas."
"Ex...pell...ium...Sa...tan...us...et...Lun... as."
"Expellium Satanus et homo Lunas."
"Ex...pell...ium...Sa...tan...us...et...homo...Lun ...as."
"Consicratium Lunas per Jesu Christi."
"Con...si...crat...ium...Lun...as...per...Je...su. ..Chris...ti."
"Consicratium homo Lunas per Jesu Christi."
"Con...si...crat...ium...ho...mo...Lun...as...per. ..Je...su...Chris...ti."
"Non interferus protestantus per Lunas."
"Non...inter...fer...us...prot...est...ant...us... per...Lun...as."
"In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Invisible Bitch, I declare
the Moon is free!"
"A....men." :-)

Pat

On Oct 14, 6:03 pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 14, 7:37 am, "Peter Webb"

wrote:
exactly as orchestrated along by those pesky

Zion Yids that made the likes of their Hitler into such a royal pain
in the butt,

I always love that bit.

Lots of rich, powerful and physics smart Jews loved and assisted
Hitler and his Third Reich army of brown-nosed minions, that is up
until it looked as though they had a seriously dead puppet on their
dirty hands. Muslims nor even Catholics are certainly not what got
Hitler so much extra bang out of so little.
- BradGuth-

That's odd, to mention the whole truth and nothing but the truth is
what gets one ignored or banished. Somewhat like talking about how
those pesky Zion Yids attacked our USS LIBERTY, and essentially got
away with it. How about TWA flight 800?
- Brad Guth -

On Oct 14, 10:45 pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
wrote:
No its really not of any signifigant size and is gone when the LM is
2-3 feet (or so)above the descent stage. It happens so fast and so
soon after sep there is really no background to judge
against..........Doc

If you could see that against the sunlit Lunar surface via a Earth-bound
telescope from the Vatican Observatory (it does actually have one;
Galileo's revenge:http://clavius.as.arizona.edu/vo/R1024/History_p1.html)
Then you could see these critters also:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Moon_Hoax
Things with bat wings will need Baptism and a lot of decades of the
Rosary at the very least...I think a Lunar exorcism might be needed
here, and boy, I'd love to see the Pope get together the whole College
of Cardinals and Holy Inquisition to perform a exorcism on a entire
planetary body at once! They're going to need around ten thousand
candles, all of the Gregorian Chanters in Ireland, and a swimming pool's
worth of Holy Water to pull that stunt off. :-)
Would make a great DVD though. I say we get Quentin Tarantino to write
the script for the whole operation.
"Expellium Satanus et Lunas."
"Ex...pell...ium...Sa...tan...us...et...Lun... as."
"Expellium Satanus et homo Lunas."
"Ex...pell...ium...Sa...tan...us...et...homo...Lun ...as."
"Consicratium Lunas per Jesu Christi."
"Con...si...crat...ium...Lun...as...per...Je...su. ..Chris...ti."
"Consicratium homo Lunas per Jesu Christi."
"Con...si...crat...ium...ho...mo...Lun...as...per. ..Je...su...Chris...ti."
"Non interferus protestantus per Lunas."
"Non...inter...fer...us...prot...est...ant...us... per...Lun...as."
"In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Invisible Bitch, I declare
the Moon is free!"
"A....men." :-)

Pat

Didn't you omit , "Do you renounce Satan Micha..........." I've come
along way, I no longer associate that with baptism but with the
Godfather, (and with a raspy whispering voice and accent that only
DiNero can pull off and a concealed knife, "my name is Antonio
Andolini". I'm sorry for the digression, didn't Ed Mitchell transmit
or speak (or whatever) your consecration on 14? Or maybe I'm just
having day.... Swimming pools , my arse, cometary water from the
lunar poles son, your not thinking like Zurbin and we ain't gettin'
anywhere until everybody does............Doc