Goodbye.

"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote in message
...
"Al" wrote:
"Starry-Nite" wrote:

If we had started drilling in ANWR four years ago, we would be
thumbing our
noses at the Saudis today...and the price of gas would still be under
a
dollar.

That's just pure bull****. The amount of oil in ANWR is figured at
just about a 1% increase in the world market. That would drop the
price of a barrel of oil by perhaps 50 cents... and reduce the cost
of gasoline at your pump by all of 4 cents a gallon.

The truth is that without exploratory drilling, any guess of how much oil is
available in ANWR is purely a guess. Now go back and play with your
snowballs!

Al




Whoopee.

We can, of course, "thumb our noses at the Saudis" anytime we wish; it
would be kinda dumb (and not very grateful), but feel free.

The seeds of the problems we are today experiencing between the middle
east
and the west were sowed by the Saudis.

Ha. Wait until the seeds Bush Jr. catch up with what Bush Sr. did...

I don't think our troubles are even close to what *we* have set up
as an almost guaranteed thing.

[If someone really wishes to thumb a nose at OPEC, may I suggest a
better place to start would be by conserving energy? Better insulate
our homes and offices, drive more economically, consider alternative
fuels, etc. The US, with 5% of the world's population, uses 25% of
the world's energy.]

Conserving energy does not work!

More bull****.

ANWR at full production has a capacity of 2% of total US oil
consumption. It would have some moderating effect on gas prices, but
not what you envision.

I know not where you get your info, but I believe it's much more than 2%
(you may be correct, but I'll check just the same.)

The peak will only last for 3 to 5 years. The maximum figures being
suggest by realistic studies (which is to say, the USGS reports),
suggest 6.3 billion barrels at best. Over 30 years that would be an
average of 575,000 bbls a day. Current consumption is 20 million
barrels a day. Do the arithmetic...

(And ANWR stands for, what again? Arctic National WILDLIFE REFUGE?
Uh, OK.)

How about if we learn how drilling and a pipeline can co-exist with
wildlife...it is possible.

Well, if it is, nobody seems to know about it except you.

--
FloydL. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

Al wrote:
Since you mention caribou...

Prior to building the pipeline in Alaska, I remember the doom and gloom
rhetoric about the tragic effect the pipeline would have on the caribou.
This did not materialize...as a matter of fact, the caribou find the
pipeline to be a welcome point of congregation, as they huddle in the warmth
of the flowing oil.


Horrors -- we are affecting their native cultural ways :-)

Al wrote:
Since you mention caribou...

Prior to building the pipeline in Alaska, I remember the doom and gloom
rhetoric about the tragic effect the pipeline would have on the caribou.
This did not materialize...as a matter of fact, the caribou find the
pipeline to be a welcome point of congregation, as they huddle in the warmth
of the flowing oil.


Horrors -- we are affecting their native cultural ways :-)

Floyd L. Davidson wrote:

"Al" wrote:

"Starry-Nite" wrote:

We are oil junkies, and we need an OPEC fix. OPEC is just the dealer
- we've got to just say no!

OPEC, in fact, has us over a barrel (pardon the pun)! Imagine how
different our situation would be if we were energy independent.
Imagine how different the Middle East would be without our
petro-dollars.


Actually, they wouldn't be all that much different. The rest of
the world buys their oil from OPEC. We buy mostly from other
sources. Heres a top 10 list for imports in the month of March
2004,

Canada 1.583 million barrels per day
Mexico 1.576

Scary for Canada and Mexico.

Phil

Floyd L. Davidson wrote:

"Al" wrote:

"Starry-Nite" wrote:

We are oil junkies, and we need an OPEC fix. OPEC is just the dealer
- we've got to just say no!

OPEC, in fact, has us over a barrel (pardon the pun)! Imagine how
different our situation would be if we were energy independent.
Imagine how different the Middle East would be without our
petro-dollars.


Actually, they wouldn't be all that much different. The rest of
the world buys their oil from OPEC. We buy mostly from other
sources. Heres a top 10 list for imports in the month of March
2004,

Canada 1.583 million barrels per day
Mexico 1.576

Scary for Canada and Mexico.

Phil

BTW -- I've forgotten who said goodbye. His parting shot sure generated
a lot of OT nonsense.

Phil

Al wrote:

"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote in message
...

"Al" wrote:

"Starry-Nite" wrote:

If we had started drilling in ANWR four years ago, we would be

thumbing our

noses at the Saudis today...and the price of gas would still be under

a

dollar.

That's just pure bull****. The amount of oil in ANWR is figured at
just about a 1% increase in the world market. That would drop the
price of a barrel of oil by perhaps 50 cents... and reduce the cost
of gasoline at your pump by all of 4 cents a gallon.


The truth is that without exploratory drilling, any guess of how much oil is
available in ANWR is purely a guess. Now go back and play with your
snowballs!

Al




Whoopee.


We can, of course, "thumb our noses at the Saudis" anytime we wish; it
would be kinda dumb (and not very grateful), but feel free.

The seeds of the problems we are today experiencing between the middle

east

and the west were sowed by the Saudis.

Ha. Wait until the seeds Bush Jr. catch up with what Bush Sr. did...

I don't think our troubles are even close to what *we* have set up
as an almost guaranteed thing.


[If someone really wishes to thumb a nose at OPEC, may I suggest a
better place to start would be by conserving energy? Better insulate
our homes and offices, drive more economically, consider alternative
fuels, etc. The US, with 5% of the world's population, uses 25% of
the world's energy.]

Conserving energy does not work!

More bull****.


ANWR at full production has a capacity of 2% of total US oil
consumption. It would have some moderating effect on gas prices, but
not what you envision.

I know not where you get your info, but I believe it's much more than 2%
(you may be correct, but I'll check just the same.)

The peak will only last for 3 to 5 years. The maximum figures being
suggest by realistic studies (which is to say, the USGS reports),
suggest 6.3 billion barrels at best. Over 30 years that would be an
average of 575,000 bbls a day. Current consumption is 20 million
barrels a day. Do the arithmetic...


(And ANWR stands for, what again? Arctic National WILDLIFE REFUGE?
Uh, OK.)

How about if we learn how drilling and a pipeline can co-exist with
wildlife...it is possible.

Well, if it is, nobody seems to know about it except you.

--
FloydL. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

BTW -- I've forgotten who said goodbye. His parting shot sure generated
a lot of OT nonsense.

Phil

Al wrote:

"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote in message
...

"Al" wrote:

"Starry-Nite" wrote:

If we had started drilling in ANWR four years ago, we would be

thumbing our

noses at the Saudis today...and the price of gas would still be under

a

dollar.

That's just pure bull****. The amount of oil in ANWR is figured at
just about a 1% increase in the world market. That would drop the
price of a barrel of oil by perhaps 50 cents... and reduce the cost
of gasoline at your pump by all of 4 cents a gallon.


The truth is that without exploratory drilling, any guess of how much oil is
available in ANWR is purely a guess. Now go back and play with your
snowballs!

Al




Whoopee.


We can, of course, "thumb our noses at the Saudis" anytime we wish; it
would be kinda dumb (and not very grateful), but feel free.

The seeds of the problems we are today experiencing between the middle

east

and the west were sowed by the Saudis.

Ha. Wait until the seeds Bush Jr. catch up with what Bush Sr. did...

I don't think our troubles are even close to what *we* have set up
as an almost guaranteed thing.


[If someone really wishes to thumb a nose at OPEC, may I suggest a
better place to start would be by conserving energy? Better insulate
our homes and offices, drive more economically, consider alternative
fuels, etc. The US, with 5% of the world's population, uses 25% of
the world's energy.]

Conserving energy does not work!

More bull****.


ANWR at full production has a capacity of 2% of total US oil
consumption. It would have some moderating effect on gas prices, but
not what you envision.

I know not where you get your info, but I believe it's much more than 2%
(you may be correct, but I'll check just the same.)

The peak will only last for 3 to 5 years. The maximum figures being
suggest by realistic studies (which is to say, the USGS reports),
suggest 6.3 billion barrels at best. Over 30 years that would be an
average of 575,000 bbls a day. Current consumption is 20 million
barrels a day. Do the arithmetic...


(And ANWR stands for, what again? Arctic National WILDLIFE REFUGE?
Uh, OK.)

How about if we learn how drilling and a pipeline can co-exist with
wildlife...it is possible.

Well, if it is, nobody seems to know about it except you.

--
FloydL. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

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Stephen Pitt

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We are he

http://www.light-to-dark.com/paininneck.html

And, doing our part to bring reality back to the United States.

Stephen Pitt

P.S. My wife, Lynne was on CBS tonight, concerning the right to see
Michael Moore's 9/11.



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"John Steinberg"
wrote:
Ask any
fool and you'll find they have as many slogans as they have brain
cells.

then

Al wrote:
Bite me, dork head!

Al

Very impressive.

I'm not much a political person, but I was impressed by your post John, really.

And the Church of the Subgenius, is a great tradition as well. I've been aware
of it since the early 80's.



And then there are those on the fringes, like our born-again President,
who get their facts straight from God, voices in their tiny heads,
scripture or the captains of industry whose kneepads they wear.

People should not be marginalized just because they are stupid and
ignorant.

Castigated and castrated, yes, but never marginalized.



Nice.