It's become clear to me that "space colony" dreamers don't want to face the hard problems Earth-side

On Jul 25, 7:01 am, Ian Parker wrote:

Of course we cannot wait for a peaceful world before we do anything.
That, as I have said, would be hypergreen. However we must be careful
of starting a new arms race somewhere else. The human race would not
be safeguarded. The human race would be subjected to the risks of a
new arms race.

It's too late. It seems your own kind has started up the ultimate
human arms race, including the methods of utilizing humans and of
their arms as the intelligent method of lethal deployments. Thanks a
bunch!

BTW, Clarke Station as well as my LSE-CM/ISS is off-world doable as
is, within existing technology and expertise. Of course, the likes of
a cool POOF City at Venus L2(VL2) has been doable for more than a
decade.
- Brad Guth

"Einar" wrote in message
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I have heard similar drivel before, i.e humans should fix things over
here first, before venturing beyond Earth.

And it's always occurred to me that if you don't want somebody to do
something, establishing an impossible precondition would be one way.

One underlying assumption
appears to be that the universe is some sort of a pristine plase that
we bad humans shall mess up somehow if we first do not learn how to
behave,

And the reality is that the universe is (so far as we can tell) an utterly
empty place. I've always said that if humans are arguably 51% good, then
humanity spreading out into the universe would be an improvement of it.

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Regards,
Mike Combs
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By all that you hold dear on this good Earth
I bid you stand, Men of the West!
Aragorn

Mike Combs wrote:
"Einar" wrote in message
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I have heard similar drivel before, i.e humans should fix things over
here first, before venturing beyond Earth.

And it's always occurred to me that if you don't want somebody to do
something, establishing an impossible precondition would be one way.

One underlying assumption
appears to be that the universe is some sort of a pristine plase that
we bad humans shall mess up somehow if we first do not learn how to
behave,

And the reality is that the universe is (so far as we can tell) an utterly
empty place. I've always said that if humans are arguably 51% good, then
humanity spreading out into the universe would be an improvement of it.

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Regards,
Mike Combs
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By all that you hold dear on this good Earth
I bid you stand, Men of the West!
Aragorn

And, it also often neglect that fixing things over here may require
resources that are beyond Earth´s own supply capabilities.

Cheers, Einar

On 26 Jul, 01:31, Einar wrote:
Aragorn

And, it also often neglect that fixing things over here may require
resources that are beyond Earth´s own supply capabilities.

I think that is absolutely right. Control of global warming will
ultimately require the control of sunlight from space. Suppose we
found that we could perform thermonuclear fusion, but that neutrons
were a bad idea and we needed lots of He3.

Would you need a manned lunar colony? Not necessarily. We would have
to send self repairing swarms to mine the Moon.

BTW - Earth is NOT suffering from overpopulation. Demographers say the
population will peak at just over 9 billion by 2050. In fact in the
West we are facing an ageing population.


- Ian Parker

Mention anything about honest Earth science, or that of utilizing our
moon's L1 and lo and behold, the mainstream status quo or bust flak
starts to fly.

It seems the Yiddish and a few other pesky Faith based swarms of
mindsets does not want to actually salvage Earth, and they most
certainly don't want affordably clean energy unless it's only for
their benefit. Oddly, they also don't want anything to do with
utilizing our moon or that of anything related to Venus.
- Brad Guth

Obviously it's a whole lot more fun spending other loot and talent
than your own, on just about anything off-world.

Too bad our moon's L1 for accommodating the outpost/gateway of Clarke
Station or that of my robust LSE-CM/ISS is still taboo/nondisclosure
rated (more so forbidden than Venus L2). It's a good thing that
Russia and China are each so easily snookered and thus dumbfounded to
the point where they'll never figure it out, although its's looking as
though India might get there first.
- Brad Guth

"GatherNoMoss" wrote in message
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We aren't ready yet for large space colony projects.
The technologies not there yet.

There's technology, and then there's operational systems. We don't yet have
the operational systems to start colonizing space, but we do have the
technology.

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Regards,
Mike Combs
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By all that you hold dear on this good Earth
I bid you stand, Men of the West!
Aragorn

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:13:15 -0700, GatherNoMoss
wrote, in part:

The hard issues like population control, political systems,
environment and the uses of resources, conflict resolution and the
effective discipline of aggression/ambition (for a truly advanced
people this will be done on a personal basis.....as compared to
totalitarian government), etc.

Do you know *why* those are hard issues?

They're hard issues because Earth is filled with *other people*.

Other people who might decide not to control _their_ populations, even
if you control yours.

Other people who might decide to pollute the environment, even if you
are responsible.

Lots of people plus lots of heavy industry equals more ability to make
war.

So maybe the only *real* solution to the hard problems is for the
sensible people who want to play nice to get so far away from the others
who want to prepare for world conquest, never mind the cost to the
environment and so on, that they can safely manage their own community
in the way that makes sense.

And, these days, far enough for that isn't anywhere on Earth.

John Savard
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