Energia pictures of Klipper mockup posted to web

Pat Flannery wrote:
Christopher M. Jones wrote:

And what about the s/n ration of OM.*? Many reports indicate
it is very unsatisfactory.

A particularly politically incorrect quote from the 1950's, Mr. Jones:
"Senator Joseph McCarthy is guilty of accusing individuals of being
communists...who are later found to _be_ communists."
And a particularly surprising rejoinder from myself: "Robert Mosley is
guilty of accusing individuals of being assholes...who are later found
to _be_ assholes."

McCarthy is a near perfect analog, I think. In McCarthy's
case many of his allegations were correct, and many of his
goals worthwhile (although he also targeted gays, which I
disagree with). However, his methods and tactics were
entirely inappropriate and ended up damaging anti-communist
efforts much, much more than any communist could have ever
managed on their own.

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 17:15:21 -0600, "Christopher M. Jones"
wrote:

OM wrote:
On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 19:12:42 GMT, (Derek Lyons)
wrote:
Mentioned and under discussion over on s.s.p. for nearly a day now.

...Really? Considering the s/n ratio of that group, how the **** can
you tell?

And what about the s/n ration of OM.*? Many reports indicate
it is very unsatisfactory.

....Yeah, but most of those reports are from those responsible for the
poor s/n ratio of that group. Ergo, their opinions don't count.

OM

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"Christopher M. Jones" wrote in message
...

And what about the s/n ration of OM.*? Many reports indicate
it is very unsatisfactory.

Consider the bias of those making the reports.

"Rusty B" wrote in message
m...
Someone on the Yahoo Space-modlers group mentioned that Energia
pictures
of a Klipper mockup have been posted to the web. Here is the URL they
gave.



http://www.photocenter.ru/myphoto/fi...LBrsAAAAE.html

I love the shuttle, and other hardware, in the background.

Jeff
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(Rusty B) wrote in message om...
Someone on the Yahoo Space-modlers group mentioned that Energia
pictures
of a Klipper mockup have been posted to the web. Here is the URL they
gave.


http://www.photocenter.ru/myphoto/fi...LBrsAAAAE.html

In Tiny URL its:

http://tinyurl.com/3qcxd

Nice pictures, Rusty! It is very interesting to see the views of the
highbay the mockup Klipper is being assembled in; particularly those
interesting views of what appears to be one of the high fidelity Buran
shuttle orbiter mockups.
-Mike

Rusty B wrote:

http://www.photocenter.ru/myphoto/fi...LBrsAAAAE.html

In Tiny URL its:

http://tinyurl.com/3qcxd





Nice find, Rusty! It's good to finally get some decent shots of the thing.
I stumbled on some photos of the TU-130 spaceplane or MARV what's-it a
couple of weeks ago this dated from the late 50's-early 60's:
http://www.sergib.agava.ru/russia/tupolev/130/130.htm
....as well as the Tu-136 Soviet Dyna-Soar program clone:
http://www.sergib.agava.ru/russia/tupolev/136/136.htm

Pat

On 1 Dec 2004 07:35:00 -0800, (Rusty B) wrote:

Other than that, I don't have any info about the pictures, but I
thought people here would like to see them.

....Bah. You're just trying to cement your position as 2004's greatest
contributor to ssh :-P

(Yeah, yeah, I know. Pot. Kettle. 2003's winner.)

OM

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"No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m
his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr

OM om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org
wrote:

On 1 Dec 2004 07:35:00 -0800, (Rusty B) wrote:

Other than that, I don't have any info about the pictures, but I
thought people here would like to see them.

...Bah. You're just trying to cement your position as 2004's greatest
contributor to ssh :-P

Reposting something that was already widely known shouldn't count
toward such an award.

D.
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Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

In article ,
(Derek Lyons) wrote:

OM om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org
wrote:

On 1 Dec 2004 07:35:00 -0800, (Rusty B) wrote:

Other than that, I don't have any info about the pictures, but I
thought people here would like to see them.

...Bah. You're just trying to cement your position as 2004's greatest
contributor to ssh :-P

Reposting something that was already widely known shouldn't count
toward such an award.

D.

Jeez, Derek, who ****ed in YOUR Wheaties? Some of us dropped ssp a
long time ago due to the incessant arguments between the COTS/"it's
government so it must be bad!" crowd and the NASA apologists (who
usually aren't but appear so to the COTS people).

Besides, being known one day earlier to another group may or may not
qualify as "widely known." Relax. Besides, Rusty's done PLENTY to
deserve this distinction.

--
Herb Schaltegger, B.S., J.D.
"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."
~ Robert A. Heinlein
http://www.angryherb.net

Herb Schaltegger wrote:

Some of us dropped ssp a
long time ago due to the incessant arguments between the COTS/"it's
government so it must be bad!" crowd and the NASA apologists (who
usually aren't but appear so to the COTS people).

If you've done that, you've missed a lot of productive discussions.
Just like s.s.h, the s/n ration can get awful bad, but there is gold
there.

D.
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Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL