Beginning Of The End for TeleVue?

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 08:03:54 GMT, "John" wrote:


"RichA" wrote in message
.. .
A sale BTW, which is going to STAY.

Huh? Check your facts. The sale has been over for days.


Like I said in another post, there will be a jump back to
the old levels, then the prices will drop down again, to
the sale prices or lower. Just wait.
-Rich

wrote:
Hello all,

After spending a couple years out of the hobby and now getting back
into it, I'm amazed at the quality you can now purchase and the low,
low, low prices associated with these products. Apos and eyepieces
in
particular.

This used to be TeleVue's bread and butter, and boy did they know it
with the prices they charge! But now that we, as consumers, have
options where we get 98% of the ultra high quality performance for
50%
of the cost, what does it mean to the company that has been holding
us
over the coals for the past 20 years, wringing every red cent out of
us
for a high quality eyepiece? Could this competition be the beginning
of the end for them?? Or will there always be status-seekers in this
hobby that decide on purchases based on the name printed on the
eyepiece, as opposed to the quality/price ratio?

I just don't see this company doing well with the price wars that are
being waged right now. Deservedly so? Maybe. That's up for debate.
I'm just saying that I wouldn't want to be the most expensive company
in astronomy right now....


Good grief, what a tirade. TeleVue the most expensive company in
astronomy?? Not even close. If you call Al Nagler's long history of
innovation "holding us over the coals", well, so be it, but that's
quite short-sighted. Don't you have anything to say about eyepieces
and scopes that are more expensive that TeleVue's? How about Zeiss or
Pentax eyepieces? Do other brands offer 98% of the performance for 50%
of the price of those as well? Maybe to your eyes, but that's the
qualifier you left out. TeleVue products cost what they cost. If
you don't want them, don't buy them. Same with AP, Zeiss, Pentax,
Takahashi,,etc.

Clyde



right on clyde...nobody, not even televue, is holding a gun to our heads

sean nolan

When I first saw this, I thought it was way out of character for Tony
Flanders whom we know as the writer for S&T and then I reread the post
and realized this Tony Flanders has been out of the hobby for a while.

Sorry to the real "Tony Flanders" for even thinking you had published
this obvious troll.

Shawn? Are you back as Tony Flanders now?

Randy

Randy Roy wrote:
When I first saw this, I thought it was way out of character for Tony
Flanders whom we know as the writer for S&T and then I reread the
post
and realized this Tony Flanders has been out of the hobby for a
while.

Sorry to the real "Tony Flanders" for even thinking you had published
this obvious troll.

Shawn? Are you back as Tony Flanders now?

Randy


Randy,

Good call. I should have recognized it as a troll, though I don't know
the name Tony Flanders as a writer, either online or at S&T.
Best,
Clyde

I don't know the name Tony Flanders as a writer, either online or at
S&T.


Hi Clyde,

Tony Flanders is a long time poster here on SAA. About a year ago he
was named associate editor for S&T and has written quite a few pieces
for them. Take a look at your latest Sky and Tel and you will see him
listed under associate editors, though I didn't notice any articles
written by him for February.

Randy

Randy Roy wrote:
When I first saw this, I thought it was way out of character for Tony
Flanders whom we know as the writer for S&T and then I reread the post
and realized this Tony Flanders has been out of the hobby for a while.

Sorry to the real "Tony Flanders" for even thinking you had published
this obvious troll.

Shawn? Are you back as Tony Flanders now?

Randy

Yeah I think Shawn Grant's come up with some new MOs and names, still
smells the same.

Shawn (not Grant)

On 2 Jan 2005 15:54:34 -0800, wrote:

Hello all,

After spending a couple years out of the hobby and now getting back
into it, I'm amazed at the quality you can now purchase and the low,
low, low prices associated with these products. Apos and eyepieces in
particular.

This used to be TeleVue's bread and butter, and boy did they know it
with the prices they charge! But now that we, as consumers, have
options where we get 98% of the ultra high quality performance for 50%
of the cost, what does it mean to the company that has been holding us
over the coals for the past 20 years, wringing every red cent out of us
for a high quality eyepiece? Could this competition be the beginning
of the end for them?? Or will there always be status-seekers in this
hobby that decide on purchases based on the name printed on the
eyepiece, as opposed to the quality/price ratio?

I just don't see this company doing well with the price wars that are
being waged right now. Deservedly so? Maybe. That's up for debate.
I'm just saying that I wouldn't want to be the most expensive company
in astronomy right now....

Nice to see you back! I'll wager one thing; TeleVue WILL be the
company effected by things like Meade's eyepieces and low priced apos.
They've never been able to crack into the optical realm occupied
by Tak, AP or TMB, companies that are not immediately threatened by
things like the Orion EDs. This in not to say TeleVue refractors
aren't as good, they just don't have the "cache" the people who buy
APs are after. As for eyepieces, I can tell second-hand
that TeleVue's "sale" prices on the line are here to stay, perhaps
after a momentary upward jump to "pretend" that the sale actually
ended. They may even move lower, thanks to Meade.
-Rich

Now if we could get the Chinese to provide us with housing, health
care, a President, sane foreign policy, sane domestic policy, and
jobs!

John




wrote:

Hello all,

After spending a couple years out of the hobby and now getting back
into it, I'm amazed at the quality you can now purchase and the low,
low, low prices associated with these products. Apos and eyepieces in
particular.

This used to be TeleVue's bread and butter, and boy did they know it
with the prices they charge! But now that we, as consumers, have
options where we get 98% of the ultra high quality performance for 50%
of the cost, what does it mean to the company that has been holding us
over the coals for the past 20 years, wringing every red cent out of us
for a high quality eyepiece? Could this competition be the beginning
of the end for them?? Or will there always be status-seekers in this
hobby that decide on purchases based on the name printed on the
eyepiece, as opposed to the quality/price ratio?

I just don't see this company doing well with the price wars that are
being waged right now. Deservedly so? Maybe. That's up for debate.
I'm just saying that I wouldn't want to be the most expensive company
in astronomy right now....

And, without taking away our civil liberties.

"Bolond" wrote in message
...
Now if we could get the Chinese to provide us with housing, health
care, a President, sane foreign policy, sane domestic policy, and
jobs!

John




wrote:

Hello all,

After spending a couple years out of the hobby and now getting back
into it, I'm amazed at the quality you can now purchase and the low,
low, low prices associated with these products. Apos and eyepieces in
particular.

This used to be TeleVue's bread and butter, and boy did they know it
with the prices they charge! But now that we, as consumers, have
options where we get 98% of the ultra high quality performance for 50%
of the cost, what does it mean to the company that has been holding us
over the coals for the past 20 years, wringing every red cent out of us
for a high quality eyepiece? Could this competition be the beginning
of the end for them?? Or will there always be status-seekers in this
hobby that decide on purchases based on the name printed on the
eyepiece, as opposed to the quality/price ratio?

I just don't see this company doing well with the price wars that are
being waged right now. Deservedly so? Maybe. That's up for debate.
I'm just saying that I wouldn't want to be the most expensive company
in astronomy right now....

"Bolond" wrote in message
...
Now if we could get the Chinese to provide us with housing, health
care, a President, sane foreign policy, sane domestic policy, and
jobs!

Don't forget a woman's right to choose and a chicken (w/ rice) in every
pot!!

Ed T.