Please move distributed computing discussions to comp.distributed

~misfit~ wrote:
John Donson wrote:
Kirk Pearson wrote:
As a friendly suggestion, please move discussions about
distributed computing projects and clients (and the BOINC aspects
of BOINC-based SETI@home) to the comp.distributed newsgroup.
You'll make the comp.distributed people happy by giving their
newsgroup more (and appropriate) traffic, and you'll make the
SETI purists here happy by not mentioning the word "BOINC" :-)
Thanks!


Oh? Are there many SETI-purists who object to BOINC?

If there are they're a dying breed. Or will be soon.

Kirk, stupid request mate. SETI is moving to BOINC, therefore
BOINC-based SETI@home is on-topic for these newsgroups buddy. You
want these NGs to die in a few months when SETI classic is turned
off?

Had a quick peek in that newsgroup. Not much going on. Spam mostly.

John Donson wrote:
[...]

Had a quick peek in that newsgroup. Not much going on. Spam mostly.

Lots of Kirk postings.

Is distributed computing so well developed or is it discussed elsewhere?

Strange.

Cheers,
Martin

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John Donson wrote:
[...]

Had a quick peek in that newsgroup. Not much going on. Spam mostly.

Lots of Kirk postings.

Is distributed computing so well developed or is it discussed elsewhere?

Strange.

Cheers,
Martin

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On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:49:07 +1200, in article

"~misfit~" wrote:

If there are they're a dying breed. Or will be soon.

Kirk, stupid request mate. SETI is moving to BOINC

There IS more to SETI than just one particular tool (in this context
distributed computing).

SETI@home is on-topic for these newsgroups buddy. You want these NGs to die
in a few months when SETI classic is turned off?

No, they want to go back to discussing SETI as a topic (which was its
original purpose), and not be overwhelmed by the masses chattering about
one particular aspect of the processing of one particular data set.

Evolve or die.

Do try to see beyond the ego.
--
Raj Rijhwani | This is the voice of the Mysterons...
| ... We know that you can hear us Earthmen
http://www.rijhwani.org/raj/ | "Lieutenant Green: Launch all Angels!"

Raj Rijhwani wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:49:07 +1200, in article

"~misfit~" wrote:

If there are they're a dying breed. Or will be soon.

Kirk, stupid request mate. SETI is moving to BOINC

There IS more to SETI than just one particular tool (in this context
distributed computing).

Yes. However most interest in "SETI" in newsgroups is about the DC client.

SETI@home is on-topic for these newsgroups buddy. You want these NGs
to die in a few months when SETI classic is turned off?

No, they want to go back to discussing SETI as a topic (which was its
original purpose), and not be overwhelmed by the masses chattering
about one particular aspect of the processing of one particular data
set.

"The masses chattering" huh? And yet you say to me:

Do try to see beyond the ego.

If you want to, you can feel free to ignore the "chattering" about the
Berkeley SETI project and just read posts about other methods of Searching
for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. Please, don't feel compelled to be
dragged down to our level. Both groups that this is posted to have 'seti' in
their names. That means *searching* for ET, not just navel-gazing and
philosophizing about ET. Feel free to wander around your back yard searching
for ET and come back here and tell us about your experience. These NG's
cater for all those interested in the SETI and, as much as you don't like
it, 99% of the people who are likely to inhabit these groups are going to be
wanting to talk about, or be involved in the Berkeley initiative.

These NG's *are* serving their initial and intended purpose. Sorry if it
doesn't suit you. Maybe you should go to the Mensa NG and get away from all
these distaseful "masses". Or just post around us disgusting plebs, I'm sure
a man with a superiority complex as big as the one you exhibit is capable of
that.
--
~misfit~

On Monday, in article

"~misfit~" wrote:

Raj Rijhwani wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:49:07 +1200, in article

"~misfit~" wrote:

Yes. However most interest in "SETI" in newsgroups is about the DC client.

Thus swamping any other discussion that the prior participants in the
newsgroup set it up to discuss. If one particular project comes to
dominate the discussion, any new initiatives are going to be stifled.

No, they want to go back to discussing SETI as a topic (which was its
original purpose), and not be overwhelmed by the masses chattering
about one particular aspect of the processing of one particular data
set.

"The masses chattering" huh? And yet you say to me:

Do try to see beyond the ego.

If you want to, you can feel free to ignore the "chattering" about the
Berkeley SETI project and just read posts about other methods of Searching
for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. Please, don't feel compelled to be
dragged down to our level. Both groups that this is posted to have 'seti' in
their names. That means *searching* for ET, not just navel-gazing and
philosophizing about ET. Feel free to wander around your back yard searching
for ET and come back here and tell us about your experience. These NG's
cater for all those interested in the SETI and, as much as you don't like
it, 99% of the people who are likely to inhabit these groups are going to be
wanting to talk about, or be involved in the Berkeley initiative.

As you say 99% of the discussion (probably more) is about this one tool.
For the majority of those participants it is probably the only exposure
they have to any kind of SETI search. It certainly is in my case. But
there's also the other 1% implicit in your statement. Mistaking one's own
experience for the most valuable experience is exactly what I was getting
at. Sure Berkeley is doing something, but as with any project it started
with theoretical discussion. How much discussion do we see these days
genuinely exploring the feasiblity of other projects? Most of the
discussion these days is chatter. (I don't see what you find so offensive
about the term, but you clearly do.) It's largely superficial discussion
of network service quality, repetitive in nature, and establishing very
little (if anything) which is new or lasting. That doesn't invalidate it
but it does suggest that, from a perspective of good organisation (of the
sort which keeps the newsgroups functioning), perhaps there is an argument
for segregating it out. It wasn't an unreasonable suggestion on the part
of the initial poster, although his suggested target may not be ideal
either, for the exact same reasons. S@h is only one topic of discussion,
albeit the majority topic, and any other discussion is being overwhelmed
to the point of near total suppression. Hence the comment about trying to
see beyond the ego - one's own immediate experience and values are not the
only valid measures.

These NG's *are* serving their initial and intended purpose.

Surely the only people who can make that statement with any certainty are
the ones who initiated the newsgroups in question, with reference to the
purpose they had in mind at the time of inception?

Sorry if it
doesn't suit you. Maybe you should go to the Mensa NG and get away from all
these distaseful "masses". Or just post around us disgusting plebs, I'm sure
a man with a superiority complex as big as the one you exhibit is capable of
that.

That's a hell of a powerful response to a simple throwaway phrase. You'd
think I'd launched into some tirade about the damned unwashed peasants
beating at the gates. And you still completely miss the point I was
making. I wasn't using the word "masses" in any perjorative context.
That's just an inference you are projecting onto it yourself. Perhaps you
would be happier to substitute the word "majority"?

Try to lose the chip on your shoulder, not colouring it with your own
prejudices, and reading what was written it *as* it was written - as a
practical argument and not as an intellectual or social value judgement.
Or not, as you prefer.
--
Raj Rijhwani | This is the voice of the Mysterons...
| ... We know that you can hear us Earthmen
http://www.rijhwani.org/raj/ | "Lieutenant Green: Launch all Angels!"

On Monday, in article

"~misfit~" wrote:

Raj Rijhwani wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:49:07 +1200, in article

"~misfit~" wrote:

Yes. However most interest in "SETI" in newsgroups is about the DC client.

Thus swamping any other discussion that the prior participants in the
newsgroup set it up to discuss. If one particular project comes to
dominate the discussion, any new initiatives are going to be stifled.

No, they want to go back to discussing SETI as a topic (which was its
original purpose), and not be overwhelmed by the masses chattering
about one particular aspect of the processing of one particular data
set.

"The masses chattering" huh? And yet you say to me:

Do try to see beyond the ego.

If you want to, you can feel free to ignore the "chattering" about the
Berkeley SETI project and just read posts about other methods of Searching
for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. Please, don't feel compelled to be
dragged down to our level. Both groups that this is posted to have 'seti' in
their names. That means *searching* for ET, not just navel-gazing and
philosophizing about ET. Feel free to wander around your back yard searching
for ET and come back here and tell us about your experience. These NG's
cater for all those interested in the SETI and, as much as you don't like
it, 99% of the people who are likely to inhabit these groups are going to be
wanting to talk about, or be involved in the Berkeley initiative.

As you say 99% of the discussion (probably more) is about this one tool.
For the majority of those participants it is probably the only exposure
they have to any kind of SETI search. It certainly is in my case. But
there's also the other 1% implicit in your statement. Mistaking one's own
experience for the most valuable experience is exactly what I was getting
at. Sure Berkeley is doing something, but as with any project it started
with theoretical discussion. How much discussion do we see these days
genuinely exploring the feasiblity of other projects? Most of the
discussion these days is chatter. (I don't see what you find so offensive
about the term, but you clearly do.) It's largely superficial discussion
of network service quality, repetitive in nature, and establishing very
little (if anything) which is new or lasting. That doesn't invalidate it
but it does suggest that, from a perspective of good organisation (of the
sort which keeps the newsgroups functioning), perhaps there is an argument
for segregating it out. It wasn't an unreasonable suggestion on the part
of the initial poster, although his suggested target may not be ideal
either, for the exact same reasons. S@h is only one topic of discussion,
albeit the majority topic, and any other discussion is being overwhelmed
to the point of near total suppression. Hence the comment about trying to
see beyond the ego - one's own immediate experience and values are not the
only valid measures.

These NG's *are* serving their initial and intended purpose.

Surely the only people who can make that statement with any certainty are
the ones who initiated the newsgroups in question, with reference to the
purpose they had in mind at the time of inception?

Sorry if it
doesn't suit you. Maybe you should go to the Mensa NG and get away from all
these distaseful "masses". Or just post around us disgusting plebs, I'm sure
a man with a superiority complex as big as the one you exhibit is capable of
that.

That's a hell of a powerful response to a simple throwaway phrase. You'd
think I'd launched into some tirade about the damned unwashed peasants
beating at the gates. And you still completely miss the point I was
making. I wasn't using the word "masses" in any perjorative context.
That's just an inference you are projecting onto it yourself. Perhaps you
would be happier to substitute the word "majority"?

Try to lose the chip on your shoulder, not colouring it with your own
prejudices, and reading what was written it *as* it was written - as a
practical argument and not as an intellectual or social value judgement.
Or not, as you prefer.
--
Raj Rijhwani | This is the voice of the Mysterons...
| ... We know that you can hear us Earthmen
http://www.rijhwani.org/raj/ | "Lieutenant Green: Launch all Angels!"

Raj Rijhwani wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:49:07 +1200, in article

"~misfit~" wrote:

If there are they're a dying breed. Or will be soon.

Kirk, stupid request mate. SETI is moving to BOINC

There IS more to SETI than just one particular tool (in this context
distributed computing).

Yes. However most interest in "SETI" in newsgroups is about the DC client.

SETI@home is on-topic for these newsgroups buddy. You want these NGs
to die in a few months when SETI classic is turned off?

No, they want to go back to discussing SETI as a topic (which was its
original purpose), and not be overwhelmed by the masses chattering
about one particular aspect of the processing of one particular data
set.

"The masses chattering" huh? And yet you say to me:

Do try to see beyond the ego.

If you want to, you can feel free to ignore the "chattering" about the
Berkeley SETI project and just read posts about other methods of Searching
for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. Please, don't feel compelled to be
dragged down to our level. Both groups that this is posted to have 'seti' in
their names. That means *searching* for ET, not just navel-gazing and
philosophizing about ET. Feel free to wander around your back yard searching
for ET and come back here and tell us about your experience. These NG's
cater for all those interested in the SETI and, as much as you don't like
it, 99% of the people who are likely to inhabit these groups are going to be
wanting to talk about, or be involved in the Berkeley initiative.

These NG's *are* serving their initial and intended purpose. Sorry if it
doesn't suit you. Maybe you should go to the Mensa NG and get away from all
these distaseful "masses". Or just post around us disgusting plebs, I'm sure
a man with a superiority complex as big as the one you exhibit is capable of
that.
--
~misfit~

In article ,
~misfit~ wrote:
John Donson wrote:
Kirk Pearson wrote:
As a friendly suggestion, please move discussions about distributed
computing projects and clients (and the BOINC aspects of BOINC-based
SETI@home) to the comp.distributed newsgroup. You'll make the
comp.distributed people happy by giving their newsgroup more (and
appropriate) traffic, and you'll make the SETI purists here happy by
not mentioning the word "BOINC" :-) Thanks!


Oh? Are there many SETI-purists who object to BOINC?

If there are they're a dying breed. Or will be soon.

Kirk, stupid request mate. SETI is moving to BOINC, therefore BOINC-based
SETI@home is on-topic for these newsgroups buddy. You want these NGs to die
in a few months when SETI classic is turned off?

Evolve or die.
--
~misfit~

G'day misfit,

Please don't misunderstand me. I am not a SETI purist. I am a distributed
computing zealot, as anyone who's visited my website in the past 5 years can
attest. BOINC is an important part of the SETI@home project, and is making
great contributions to the overall SETI project. But, the two Usenet
newsgroups created for seti were created for discussing the science of SETI
and not for discussing the distributed computing client applications used
for SETI@home. You, and others who have not been here since these newsgroups
were created, need to remember that SETI@home is not all of SETI--it is only a
part of it. To "evolve or die," as you suggest, we should leave the SETI
newsgroups for discussion of the science of SETI overall, and for the
scientific aspects of SETI@home, Optical SETI, and any other projects which
arise to further the study of SETI, and move the discussion of the technical
and user aspects of SETI@home and BOINC, and all other distributed computing
projects, to comp.distributed, where they are more appropriate. The SETI
newsgroups will not die, as you suggest. They will contain conversations
more in line with the original goals for the SETI newsgroups, conversations
in which the "SETI purists" to which I referred previously, are more
interested.

To answer John's reply: most SETI purists probably appreciate BOINC, since it
is doing so much to further the study of SETI, but they DO object to the
discussion of technical and user aspects of BOINC in the SETI newsgroups, as
you will see in many past posts.

--
Kirk Pearson, editor of Internet-based Distributed Computing Projects
http://www.aspenleaf.com/distributed/
Time sneaks up on you like a windshield on a bug. -- John Lithgow

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