Orion 80 mm ED Apo via Zeiss Telementor 63/840

What I found is far away from the Top Notch douplet ED Apos , like Tele
Vue 76 or Tele Vue 85 .

Markus:

Interesting. Obviously you have looked through a great many scopes, you bring
some real experience to the table.

If I remember correctly, Ed Ting said that he found the ED80 comparable to the
TV76 up to about 200X and that at 250X the ED80 showed some color whereas the
TV76 did not.

Reviews I have read all state that the color correction is significantly better
than a Pronto.

Would you agree with this?

Also, some folks have suggested that the initial batch would turn out to be the
best ones and once the reputation had been established, the quality would drop.
That seems possible though not likely.

jon

Markus,

Thanks for the review.

Maybe Orion can return the favor and post a review of some of your products.

Clear skies,

Tom

"Markus Ludes" wrote in message
news:fd5bf00f8d41fbccc6b3259b1816faf7.30545@mygate .mailgate.org...
Hi Everybody

Today I received my first 3 samples Orion 80 mm ED Apos and could
already test them. I would like to receive some feedback from customers
who already owns it.
In almost any review I know of today about the Orion 80 mm ED I read its
colorfree and of high optical quality.

I dont know the telescopes the owners have reported about, I dont know
if something changed in the design and quality now where the production
seems to run, but here is what I found.

Thanks for the review.

Maybe Orion can return the favor and post a review of some of your products.

Clear skies,

Tom

You do know that Markus carries Skywatcher (Synta) stuff? I believe these
scopes are scopes he received from Synta to sell. Kind of puts a different
spin on his evalutation....

Jon Isaacs

You do know that Markus carries Skywatcher (Synta) stuff? I believe these
scopes are scopes he received from Synta to sell. Kind of puts a
different
spin on his evalutation....

Jon Isaacs

Does he carry the ED80?

Tom

"Tom Hole earthlink.net" tomhole@NOSPAM wrote in message
...


You do know that Markus carries Skywatcher (Synta) stuff? I believe
these
scopes are scopes he received from Synta to sell. Kind of puts a
different
spin on his evalutation....

Jon Isaacs

Does he carry the ED80?

No.

I've always taken it with a cartoon of salt when a dealer reviews the
competition. (or even his own products)

Clear Skies

Chuck Taylor
Do you observe the moon?
Try the Lunar Observing Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lunar-observing/

************************************

Tom

"Tom Hole earthlink.net" tomhole@NOSPAM wrote in message
...


You do know that Markus carries Skywatcher (Synta) stuff? I believe
these
scopes are scopes he received from Synta to sell. Kind of puts a
different
spin on his evalutation....

Jon Isaacs

Does he carry the ED80?

No.

I've always taken it with a cartoon of salt when a dealer reviews the
competition. (or even his own products)

Clear Skies

Chuck Taylor
Do you observe the moon?
Try the Lunar Observing Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lunar-observing/

************************************

Tom

"Tom Hole earthlink.net" tomhole@NOSPAM wrote in message
...


You do know that Markus carries Skywatcher (Synta) stuff? I believe
these
scopes are scopes he received from Synta to sell. Kind of puts a
different
spin on his evalutation....

Jon Isaacs

Does he carry the ED80?

No.

I've always taken it with a cartoon of salt when a dealer reviews the
competition. (or even his own products)

Clear Skies

Chuck Taylor
Do you observe the moon?
Try the Lunar Observing Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lunar-observing/

************************************

Tom

Does he carry the ED80?

Tom


As I said: "I believe these
scopes are scopes he received from Synta to sell."

1. From Markus's original post:

"Today I received my first 3 samples Orion 80 mm ED Apos and could
already test them."

2. If you take the time to checkout the APM-Telescopes Germany website you
will find they (Markus) are indeed the German Synta dealer.

I remember that when the Orion ED80 first came out, Markus had said that he too
was going the sell them. I finally found the link to the S.A.A. post where he
says that he will be getting some samples:

"Date: 2003-08-27 08:32:55 PST

Valery,

I think nobody have to worry for his business about that Orion 80 mm
Apo, why ? Simply it is a matter of fact that it is a Synta Technology
Product and every single dealer who selling Synta telescopes since years
knows the problems they have in most achromats : zones, spherical
aberration, decentering ( coma/astigmatism). Only a few coming out from
many with superb optics. Now if Synta cannot do a good job on a
achromat, do you really expect they doing a better job on a very low
priced ED Apo ? I doubt this for 100%.
So first samples who went in the market are made better to get good
reviews, but when the containers start to ship, chunk like before have
been loadet , you bet with me about that ??????

BTW: getting that scopes in next month for sale, too.

Markus"



http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Or...astro.amateur&
hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=sci.astro.amateur&safe=off&selm=42bdf2f410 4e9cb0f
363bd1fb16a17c3.30545%40mygate.mailgate.org&rnum=3 "

If the link is too long, do a google search on S.A.A. for "Orion APO ludes"

------------------
So, as far as I can see, Markus is a Synta dealer who received 3 ED80's from
Synta for evaluation and who posted an honest evaluation.

Given Markus's extensive experience in evaluating and selling all levels of
scopes both new and used, I do not find it strange in the least that his
evaluation is far less positive than those who have evaluated far few scopes.

I am sure that if Roland Christen, Thomas Back and several others who post here
were to evaluate the ED 80 they would have similar remarks. These people know
what "color free", "well corrected" really means and know what it looks
like....

So rather than thinking the worst of Markus, I suggest rereading what Mrkus
wrote with the respect due a guy has probably looked through more different
scopes in his time than all this group combined, save maybe a few....

Jon Isaacs

Does he carry the ED80?

Tom


As I said: "I believe these
scopes are scopes he received from Synta to sell."

1. From Markus's original post:

"Today I received my first 3 samples Orion 80 mm ED Apos and could
already test them."

2. If you take the time to checkout the APM-Telescopes Germany website you
will find they (Markus) are indeed the German Synta dealer.

I remember that when the Orion ED80 first came out, Markus had said that he too
was going the sell them. I finally found the link to the S.A.A. post where he
says that he will be getting some samples:

"Date: 2003-08-27 08:32:55 PST

Valery,

I think nobody have to worry for his business about that Orion 80 mm
Apo, why ? Simply it is a matter of fact that it is a Synta Technology
Product and every single dealer who selling Synta telescopes since years
knows the problems they have in most achromats : zones, spherical
aberration, decentering ( coma/astigmatism). Only a few coming out from
many with superb optics. Now if Synta cannot do a good job on a
achromat, do you really expect they doing a better job on a very low
priced ED Apo ? I doubt this for 100%.
So first samples who went in the market are made better to get good
reviews, but when the containers start to ship, chunk like before have
been loadet , you bet with me about that ??????

BTW: getting that scopes in next month for sale, too.

Markus"



http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Or...astro.amateur&
hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=sci.astro.amateur&safe=off&selm=42bdf2f410 4e9cb0f
363bd1fb16a17c3.30545%40mygate.mailgate.org&rnum=3 "

If the link is too long, do a google search on S.A.A. for "Orion APO ludes"

------------------
So, as far as I can see, Markus is a Synta dealer who received 3 ED80's from
Synta for evaluation and who posted an honest evaluation.

Given Markus's extensive experience in evaluating and selling all levels of
scopes both new and used, I do not find it strange in the least that his
evaluation is far less positive than those who have evaluated far few scopes.

I am sure that if Roland Christen, Thomas Back and several others who post here
were to evaluate the ED 80 they would have similar remarks. These people know
what "color free", "well corrected" really means and know what it looks
like....

So rather than thinking the worst of Markus, I suggest rereading what Mrkus
wrote with the respect due a guy has probably looked through more different
scopes in his time than all this group combined, save maybe a few....

Jon Isaacs

Does he carry the ED80?

Tom


As I said: "I believe these
scopes are scopes he received from Synta to sell."

1. From Markus's original post:

"Today I received my first 3 samples Orion 80 mm ED Apos and could
already test them."

2. If you take the time to checkout the APM-Telescopes Germany website you
will find they (Markus) are indeed the German Synta dealer.

I remember that when the Orion ED80 first came out, Markus had said that he too
was going the sell them. I finally found the link to the S.A.A. post where he
says that he will be getting some samples:

"Date: 2003-08-27 08:32:55 PST

Valery,

I think nobody have to worry for his business about that Orion 80 mm
Apo, why ? Simply it is a matter of fact that it is a Synta Technology
Product and every single dealer who selling Synta telescopes since years
knows the problems they have in most achromats : zones, spherical
aberration, decentering ( coma/astigmatism). Only a few coming out from
many with superb optics. Now if Synta cannot do a good job on a
achromat, do you really expect they doing a better job on a very low
priced ED Apo ? I doubt this for 100%.
So first samples who went in the market are made better to get good
reviews, but when the containers start to ship, chunk like before have
been loadet , you bet with me about that ??????

BTW: getting that scopes in next month for sale, too.

Markus"



http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Or...astro.amateur&
hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=sci.astro.amateur&safe=off&selm=42bdf2f410 4e9cb0f
363bd1fb16a17c3.30545%40mygate.mailgate.org&rnum=3 "

If the link is too long, do a google search on S.A.A. for "Orion APO ludes"

------------------
So, as far as I can see, Markus is a Synta dealer who received 3 ED80's from
Synta for evaluation and who posted an honest evaluation.

Given Markus's extensive experience in evaluating and selling all levels of
scopes both new and used, I do not find it strange in the least that his
evaluation is far less positive than those who have evaluated far few scopes.

I am sure that if Roland Christen, Thomas Back and several others who post here
were to evaluate the ED 80 they would have similar remarks. These people know
what "color free", "well corrected" really means and know what it looks
like....

So rather than thinking the worst of Markus, I suggest rereading what Mrkus
wrote with the respect due a guy has probably looked through more different
scopes in his time than all this group combined, save maybe a few....

Jon Isaacs