Neil DeGrasse Tyson headed down same loony road as Carl Sagan?

On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 15:21:07 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 8:44:01 AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:
Towards the end, Sagan, formerly a productive astrophysicist from Cornell and
publicizer of astronomy became a bit of a pariah, wandering around, screeching
at anyone who would listen about the impending doom of "nuclear winter." Seems
like Tyson might be going the same way, or, he could just be trying to promote
another book. "Publish or perish?"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/neil-de...essory-to-war/

Opposing the militarization of space isn't loony, even if it is a political
stance one might disagree with.

On the other hand, taking Trump's "Space Force" seriously... particularly as he
seems to think that Russia is our friend (hey, bailing you out of your last
bankruptcy will do that to people)... now _that's_ loony.

John Savard

First, there is NOTHING profound about noting technology transfer or bleed from one discipline to another, or, "thank you, NASA, for ballpoint pens!" Second, Tyson isn't any KIND of expert on the militarization of ANYTHING, let alone space. He's just one more liberal who believes that because HE doesn't like an idea, it should be banned.

Down the rabbit hole they simulate competing characters and history to achieve an outcome that suits academics and their salaries however the actual technical details as written down or expounded by those people are always absent from discussion. In the two decades here there was and remains next to nothing presented by people other than a few quotes from science fiction writers or secondhand commentaries.

Out in the wide open, I just look at what Giordano Bruno wrote and unfortunately all here find themselves in the same position as he did when approaching his conceptions with 21st century imaging and time lapse -

"Secondly, we expound how both general motion and that of the above-mentioned eccentrics, and as many as may be referred to the aforesaid firmament are all pure illusion, deriving from the motion of the centre of the earth along the ecliptic and from the four varieties of motion which the earth taketh around her own centre. Thus it is seen that the proper motion of each star resulteth from the difference in position, which may be verified subjectively within the star as a body moving alone spontaneously through the field of space. This consideration maketh it understood that all their arguments concerning the [primum] mobile and infinite motion are vain and based on ignorance of the motion of this our own globe." De l'infinito universo et mondi (1584)


Down the empirical rabbit hole everyone is biting each other by making uninformed declarations on technical or historical details whereas those who live in the open air they can now see why the direct/retrograde loops of the slower moving planets are illusory but the direct/retrograde loops of the faster Venus and Mercury are actual as seen from a slower moving Earth.

William Blake captured the solitary Newton against Carroll's 't' party followers -

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...lliamBlake.jpg

Bruno ended his treatise with a poem so it is fitting that Blake's perspective get an airing -

"I turn my eyes to the Schools & Universities of Europe
And there behold the Loom of Locke whose Woof rages dire
Washd by the Water-wheels of Newton. black the cloth
In heavy wreathes folds over every Nation; cruel Works
Of many Wheels I view, wheel without wheel, with cogs tyrannic
Moving by compulsion each other: not as those in Eden: which
Wheel within Wheel in freedom revolve in harmony & peace."
William Blake,Jerusalem

He couldn't have known how right it was in terms of a clockwork solar system and the Earth/solar system free from that concept but now readers here do..

On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 10:44:01 UTC-4, RichA wrote:
Towards the end, Sagan, formerly a productive astrophysicist from Cornell and publicizer of astronomy became a bit of a pariah, wandering around, screeching at anyone who would listen about the impending doom of "nuclear winter." Seems like Tyson might be going the same way, or, he could just be trying to promote another book. "Publish or perish?"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/neil-de...essory-to-war/

Tyson's contributions. Here's a paper he's cited on as a part-author. Notice something about it? Almost all of the people who helped write it are in the reference section pertaining to material they created previously that contributed to the paper. Tyson is not there. So what did he do?

https://www.haydenplanetarium.org/ty...pJ-672,198.pdf