Blueprint for Hydrogen Fuel Infrastructure Development Suppressed

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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 00:21:53 +0100, "gonzo"
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:42:33 GMT, "Bob M."
wrote:

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Hydrogen today is made from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas
sometimes coal and other things. Or, it can be made from
electricity which comes mostly from fossil fuels. snip

So, how does it possibly reduce
dependence???? How does it help air quality???, except locally.
Because the manufacturing of hydrogen and it use have efficiency
losses, there would actually be MORE fossil fuels used in a
hydrogen world than without it, with more CO2, etc. Hydrogen is a
scam that is not a solution to our energy problems.

Who are you trying to kid? Hydrogen peroxide fuel cells are
self-contained, require no fossil fuels and are totally
non-polluting. Hydrogen is obtained from hydrogen peroxide. And
the source of hydrogen peroxide is equally non-polluting and
required no fossil fuels for production.

http://www.cheresources.com/h2o2.shtml

http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...i?artid=242083


You will never see it go anywhere because of these facts, Bush or
no Bush.

You will never see hydrogen used as a fuel because of human greed.

And that will cause human extinction.

Oil won't last forever, even now some people speculate that oil
production has reached it's peak. What would you bet that a cheap
and easy way to produce hydrogen will be "discovered" just in the
nick of time? Greed dictates that the last cent of our money will be
extracted by increasing oil prices as production declines, it's just
human nature. Ahh, "Shell Hydrogen" a nice ring to it?

We could be using hydrogen to manufacture electricity and buy it from
the grid or everyone could be using hydrogen fuel cells at home right
now if it weren't for the fact that the US Department of Energy is
suppressing hydrogen use for everyone except NASA and the oil
industry, which uses hydrogen to make gasoline. Talk about gasoline
not being cost effective!

You cannot "make" hydrogen from water without adding energy.
Where do you get the energy to make the hydrogen?
Years ago there were rumors of a pill that you could add to a tank of water
in your car and the car would run.
That was a lie, too

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 00:21:53 +0100, "gonzo" wrote:


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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:42:33 GMT, "Bob M." wrote:

[...]

Hydrogen today is made from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas
sometimes coal and other things. Or, it can be made from electricity
which
comes mostly from fossil fuels. snip

So, how does it possibly reduce
dependence???? How does it help air quality???, except locally. Because
the
manufacturing of hydrogen and it use have efficiency losses, there would
actually be MORE fossil fuels used in a hydrogen world than without it,
with
more CO2, etc. Hydrogen is a scam that is not a solution to our energy
problems.

Who are you trying to kid? Hydrogen peroxide fuel cells are
self-contained,
require no fossil fuels and are totally non-polluting. Hydrogen is
obtained
from hydrogen peroxide. And the source of hydrogen peroxide is equally
non-polluting and required no fossil fuels for production.

http://www.cheresources.com/h2o2.shtml

http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...i?artid=242083


You will never see it go anywhere because of these facts, Bush or
no Bush.

You will never see hydrogen used as a fuel because of human greed.

And that will cause human extinction.

Oil won't last forever, even now some people speculate that oil
production has reached it's peak. What would you bet that a cheap
and easy way to produce hydrogen will be "discovered" just in the
nick of time? Greed dictates that the last cent of our money will be
extracted by increasing oil prices as production declines, it's just
human nature. Ahh, "Shell Hydrogen" a nice ring to it?

We could be using hydrogen to manufacture electricity and buy it from the
grid or everyone could be using hydrogen fuel cells at home right now if it
weren't for the fact that the US Department of Energy is suppressing
hydrogen use for everyone except NASA and the oil industry, which uses
hydrogen to make gasoline. Talk about gasoline not being cost effective!

MAKING HYDROGEN PEROXIDE REQUIRES MORE ENERGY THAN IT PRODUCES, YOU MORON.
SHOW US THE MATH, OR SHUT YOUR CAKE HOLE.

R

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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:42:33 GMT, "Bob M." wrote:

[...]

Hydrogen today is made from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas
sometimes coal and other things. Or, it can be made from electricity
which
comes mostly from fossil fuels. snip

So, how does it possibly reduce
dependence???? How does it help air quality???, except locally. Because
the
manufacturing of hydrogen and it use have efficiency losses, there would
actually be MORE fossil fuels used in a hydrogen world than without it,
with
more CO2, etc. Hydrogen is a scam that is not a solution to our energy
problems.

Who are you trying to kid? Hydrogen peroxide fuel cells are
self-contained,
require no fossil fuels and are totally non-polluting. Hydrogen is
obtained
from hydrogen peroxide. And the source of hydrogen peroxide is equally
non-polluting and required no fossil fuels for production.

http://www.cheresources.com/h2o2.shtml

http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...i?artid=242083


You will never see it go anywhere because of these facts, Bush or
no Bush.

You will never see hydrogen used as a fuel because of human greed.

And that will cause human extinction.

* wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:42:33 GMT, "Bob M." wrote:

[...]

Hydrogen today is made from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas
sometimes coal and other things. Or, it can be made from electricity
which
comes mostly from fossil fuels. snip

So, how does it possibly reduce
dependence???? How does it help air quality???, except locally. Because
the
manufacturing of hydrogen and it use have efficiency losses, there would
actually be MORE fossil fuels used in a hydrogen world than without it,
with
more CO2, etc. Hydrogen is a scam that is not a solution to our energy
problems.

Who are you trying to kid? Hydrogen peroxide fuel cells are
self-contained,
require no fossil fuels and are totally non-polluting. Hydrogen is
obtained
from hydrogen peroxide. And the source of hydrogen peroxide is equally
non-polluting and required no fossil fuels for production.

http://www.cheresources.com/h2o2.shtml

http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...i?artid=242083


You will never see it go anywhere because of these facts, Bush or
no Bush.

You will never see hydrogen used as a fuel because of human greed.

And that will cause human extinction.

Oil won't last forever, even now some people speculate that oil
production has reached it's peak. What would you bet that a cheap
and easy way to produce hydrogen will be "discovered" just in the
nick of time? Greed dictates that the last cent of our money will be
extracted by increasing oil prices as production declines, it's just
human nature. Ahh, "Shell Hydrogen" a nice ring to it?

Bob M. wrote:

"*" wrote in message
news
Blueprint for Hydrogen Fuel Infrastructure Development - By National
Renewable Energy Laboratory, outlines a 5-year government-industry action
plan to install the hydrogen fuel infrastructure needed for hydrogen
vehicles when they appear on the market in the next 3 to 5 years. January
2000, 15 pages.

http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/

Hydrogen and fuel cells have the potential to solve several major

challenges

facing America today: dependence on petroleum imports, poor air quality,

and

greenhouse gas emissions.

The Hydrogen, Fuel Cells & Infrastructure Technologies Program is working
with partners to accelerate the development and successful market
introduction of these technologies. It is responsible for coordinating the
hydrogen and fuel cell R&D activities of the Offices of Energy Efficiency
and Renewable Energy; Fossil Energy; Nuclear Energy, Science and

Technology;

and Science for DOE's Hydrogen Program.

--------------------------------------------------------

Hydrogen Posture Plan

This plan was to be in instituted during 2003-2005.

We have yet to see any progress with the implementation of this plan.

Why?

You guessed it: George Bush and Gulf Wars II


"Hydrogen and fuel cells have the potential to solve several major
challenges
facing America today: dependence on petroleum imports, poor air quality, and
greenhouse gas emissions."
Pure nonsense. Hydrogen today is made from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas
sometimes coal and other things. Or, it can be made from electricity which
comes mostly from fossil fuels. So, how does it possibly reduce
dependence???? How does it help air quality???, except locally. Because the
manufacturing of hydrogen and it use have efficiency losses, there would
actually be MORE fossil fuels used in a hydrogen world than without it, with
more CO2, etc. Hydrogen is a scam that is not a solution to our energy
problems. You will never see it go anywhere because of these facts, Bush or
no Bush.
Bob



The only energy source that can fill the shoes mentioned above is wind
power. Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.

Miles "Tilting at Windmills" Long

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:42:33 GMT, "Bob M." wrote:

[...]

Hydrogen today is made from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas
sometimes coal and other things. Or, it can be made from electricity which
comes mostly from fossil fuels. snip

So, how does it possibly reduce
dependence???? How does it help air quality???, except locally. Because the
manufacturing of hydrogen and it use have efficiency losses, there would
actually be MORE fossil fuels used in a hydrogen world than without it, with
more CO2, etc. Hydrogen is a scam that is not a solution to our energy
problems.

Who are you trying to kid? Hydrogen peroxide fuel cells are self-contained,
require no fossil fuels and are totally non-polluting. Hydrogen is obtained
from hydrogen peroxide. And the source of hydrogen peroxide is equally
non-polluting and required no fossil fuels for production.

http://www.cheresources.com/h2o2.shtml

http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...i?artid=242083


You will never see it go anywhere because of these facts, Bush or
no Bush.

You will never see hydrogen used as a fuel because of human greed.

And that will cause human extinction.

"*" wrote in message
news
Blueprint for Hydrogen Fuel Infrastructure Development - By National
Renewable Energy Laboratory, outlines a 5-year government-industry action
plan to install the hydrogen fuel infrastructure needed for hydrogen
vehicles when they appear on the market in the next 3 to 5 years. January
2000, 15 pages.

http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/

Hydrogen and fuel cells have the potential to solve several major
challenges
facing America today: dependence on petroleum imports, poor air quality,
and
greenhouse gas emissions.

The Hydrogen, Fuel Cells & Infrastructure Technologies Program is working
with partners to accelerate the development and successful market
introduction of these technologies. It is responsible for coordinating the
hydrogen and fuel cell R&D activities of the Offices of Energy Efficiency
and Renewable Energy; Fossil Energy; Nuclear Energy, Science and
Technology;
and Science for DOE's Hydrogen Program.

--------------------------------------------------------

Hydrogen Posture Plan

This plan was to be in instituted during 2003-2005.

We have yet to see any progress with the implementation of this plan.

Why?

You guessed it: George Bush and Gulf Wars II

"Hydrogen and fuel cells have the potential to solve several major
challenges
facing America today: dependence on petroleum imports, poor air quality, and
greenhouse gas emissions."
Pure nonsense. Hydrogen today is made from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas
sometimes coal and other things. Or, it can be made from electricity which
comes mostly from fossil fuels. So, how does it possibly reduce
dependence???? How does it help air quality???, except locally. Because the
manufacturing of hydrogen and it use have efficiency losses, there would
actually be MORE fossil fuels used in a hydrogen world than without it, with
more CO2, etc. Hydrogen is a scam that is not a solution to our energy
problems. You will never see it go anywhere because of these facts, Bush or
no Bush.
Bob