What's going on with the Sun?

On Jun 30, 1:58*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
What's going on with the Sun?
* *http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46387

"Earlier this month a lot of column inches were devoted to the news that
the Sun continues to behave in a peculiar manner and that solar
activity could be about to enter a period of extended calm. The story
emerged after three groups of researchers presented independent studies
at the annual meeting of the Solar Physics Division of the American
Astronomical Society, which appear to support this theory. But are the
new findings really that clear-cut and what implications do they have
for the climate here on Earth?

"Finally, even if the Sun were to head into a quiet period, others argue
that the reduction in solar irradiance on Earth would still be small
compared with the heating caused by man-made global warming. Mike
Lockwood, a researcher at the University of Reading, estimates that the
change in climate radiative forcing since the Maunder minimum is about
one tenth of the change caused by man-made trace greenhouse gases".

See:http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46387

100+ billion tonnes of our CO2/year is hardly "man-made trace
greenhouse gases". Add perhaps another few billion tonnes of NOx per
year and it starts getting real interesting.

"trace greenhouse gases", you've got to be kidding, not to mention out
soot and the resulting global dimming to go along with the increased
water vapor we artificially pump into the atmosphere each and every
day isn't exactly helping.

Using our moon to interactively block up to 3% of solar influx would
certainly reverse GW and AGW combined, and we'd be all set for
thousands of years to come, or at least until every last spendy and
bloody drop or kg of hydrocarbon fuel is expended during or by some
time after WW3 or WW4 that leaves less than 500 million cranky humans
on Earth.

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On 7/1/11 7:13 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
Using our moon to interactively block up to 3% of solar influx would
certainly reverse GW and AGW combined, and we'd be all set for
thousands of years to come, or at least until every last spendy and
bloody drop or kg of hydrocarbon fuel is expended during or by some
time after WW3 or WW4 that leaves less than 500 million cranky humans
on Earth.

How could this be done?

In article ,
Sam Wormley wrote:

On 7/1/11 7:13 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
Using our moon to interactively block up to 3% of solar influx would
certainly reverse GW and AGW combined, and we'd be all set for
thousands of years to come, or at least until every last spendy and
bloody drop or kg of hydrocarbon fuel is expended during or by some
time after WW3 or WW4 that leaves less than 500 million cranky humans
on Earth.

How could this be done?

It can't. It is yet another delusion by "Guthy Gander," aka "Guthball,"
who holds that the moon landings were a hoax. Need I elaborate?

On Jul 1, 9:17*pm, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article ,
*Sam Wormley wrote:

* *How could this be done?

It can't. It is yet another delusion by "Guthy Gander," aka "Guthball,"
who holds that the moon landings were a hoax. Need I elaborate?

Yes you DO need to elaborate! Especially explain how the astro-nots
made it through the van Allen region PLUS the radiation of space
without logging any major radiation on their dosimeters. We'll wait.

On Jul 1, 10:13*pm, Benj wrote:
On Jul 1, 9:17*pm, Orval Fairbairn wrote:

In article ,
*Sam Wormley wrote:
* *How could this be done?

It can't. It is yet another delusion by "Guthy Gander," aka "Guthball,"
who holds that the moon landings were a hoax. Need I elaborate?

Yes you DO need to elaborate! *Especially explain how the astro-nots
made it through the van Allen region PLUS the radiation of space
without logging any major radiation on their dosimeters. We'll wait.

Apparently all of their Kodak film was also rad-hard.

China and India have kindly offered to provide experimentally high
levels of CO2 to confirm AGW to an absolute degree of certainty. We
only have to sit back and watch the rising CO2 /temperature curves
match each other ever more precisely. The Rest of the World is just
sitting on the energy bench. With gently rising CO2 levels unchanged
from two decades of lies, empty promises and political posturing.

The Arab Spring may yet offer further conclusive AGW evidence if
national wealth is suddenly dealt out more fairly. Probably leading to
an explosion in demand for air conditioning and mass ownership of
motor vehicles. If this trend towards toppling long term, vicious
dictatorships continues we will all be toasty warm within only another
decade. How many Burmese, Russians and North Koreans are presently
without climate control and personal vehicle ownership? With the
emancipation of women in stone age societies how may new cars will be
needed so that they may commute to gainful work?

For the serial doubters of AGW it ought to be possible to see the
upward kick in the CO2/ temperature curves from the mass adoption of
motor vehicles in the 1960s. Prior to this period, car ownership in
Europe (and other places) was vastly more limited. Traffic levels
suddenly went from very low to major traffic jams into every European
city. Often resulting in the wrecking of ancient town centres just to
build new, inner city and inter-city roads.

It ought also to be possible to read the emancipation of economic
Western youth in the climate curves at much the same period. Central
heating, refrigerators and TVs were all completely new phenomena of
1960s Western Europe in particular. The mass adoption of such energy
guzzlers, their production and consumption should all be clearly
visible in the post war CO2/ temperature curves.

We can only try to stop this high energy, thermal experiment on our
planet with completely new ways of doing things. Our present record of
improving our housekeeping is absolutely pitiful. We don't even live
within our economic means. No doubt several billions of "excess"
people and countless species will still be lost as they are crushed by
the runaway, thermal flywheel.

"Chris.B" wrote in message
...
China and India have kindly offered to provide experimentally high
levels of CO2 to confirm AGW to an absolute degree of certainty. We
only have to sit back and watch the rising CO2 /temperature curves
match each other ever more precisely. The Rest of the World is just
sitting on the energy bench. With gently rising CO2 levels unchanged
from two decades of lies, empty promises and political posturing.

The Arab Spring may yet offer further conclusive AGW evidence if
national wealth is suddenly dealt out more fairly. Probably leading to
an explosion in demand for air conditioning and mass ownership of
motor vehicles. If this trend towards toppling long term, vicious
dictatorships continues we will all be toasty warm within only another
decade. How many Burmese, Russians and North Koreans are presently
without climate control and personal vehicle ownership? With the
emancipation of women in stone age societies how may new cars will be
needed so that they may commute to gainful work?

For the serial doubters of AGW it ought to be possible to see the
upward kick in the CO2/ temperature curves from the mass adoption of
motor vehicles in the 1960s. Prior to this period, car ownership in
Europe (and other places) was vastly more limited. Traffic levels
suddenly went from very low to major traffic jams into every European
city. Often resulting in the wrecking of ancient town centres just to
build new, inner city and inter-city roads.

It ought also to be possible to read the emancipation of economic
Western youth in the climate curves at much the same period. Central
heating, refrigerators and TVs were all completely new phenomena of
1960s Western Europe in particular. The mass adoption of such energy
guzzlers, their production and consumption should all be clearly
visible in the post war CO2/ temperature curves.


Maybe this was happening in parts of the US in the 1960s but for most of
that decade most of *western* Europe was still recovering from WW2.

We can only try to stop this high energy, thermal experiment on our
planet with completely new ways of doing things. Our present record of
improving our housekeeping is absolutely pitiful. We don't even live
within our economic means. No doubt several billions of "excess"
people and countless species will still be lost as they are crushed by
the runaway, thermal flywheel.

Yep, we need renewables, recycling and new technology.

On Jul 1, 6:17*pm, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article ,
*Sam Wormley wrote:

On 7/1/11 7:13 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
Using our moon to interactively block up to 3% of solar influx would
certainly reverse GW and AGW combined, and we'd be all set for
thousands of years to come, or at least until every last spendy and
bloody drop or kg of hydrocarbon fuel is expended during or by some
time after WW3 or WW4 that leaves less than 500 million cranky humans
on Earth.

* *How could this be done?

It can't. It is yet another delusion by "Guthy Gander," aka "Guthball,"
who holds that the moon landings were a hoax. Need I elaborate?

Are you saying the laws of physics and orbital dynamics do not
actually work?

In article
,
Brad Guth wrote:

On Jul 1, 6:17*pm, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article ,
*Sam Wormley wrote:

On 7/1/11 7:13 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
Using our moon to interactively block up to 3% of solar influx would
certainly reverse GW and AGW combined, and we'd be all set for
thousands of years to come, or at least until every last spendy and
bloody drop or kg of hydrocarbon fuel is expended during or by some
time after WW3 or WW4 that leaves less than 500 million cranky humans
on Earth.

* *How could this be done?

It can't. It is yet another delusion by "Guthy Gander," aka "Guthball,"
who holds that the moon landings were a hoax. Need I elaborate?

Are you saying the laws of physics and orbital dynamics do not
actually work?

They do, but you obviously don't understand them!

On Jul 1, 5:30*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 7/1/11 7:13 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

Using our moon to interactively block up to 3% of solar influx would
certainly reverse GW and AGW combined, and we'd be all set for
thousands of years to come, or at least until every last spendy and
bloody drop or kg of hydrocarbon fuel is expended during or by some
time after WW3 or WW4 that leaves less than 500 million cranky humans
on Earth.

* *How could this be done?

By pulling it further out and slowing it down.

Given enough time and force applied, it can be accomplished.

With tethers and some reactive thrusting of the counter mass at the
end of Each tether, should do the job of moving our moon to Earth L1,
and keeping it there.

I suppose you want all the math, time scale and budget?

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