OT heartbreak

On Oct 16, 7:21*am, Roger Hunt wrote:

I prefer to put the price of card and stamp into a Cancer Research
charity collection tin.
Just imagine how much good a million times that sum could do, rather
than a mountain of cards which are of no practical use whatsoever.
--
Roger Hunt

Amen! Let the real doctors have a real chance to cure the suffering
of millions before one priest gets a chance to kill one sick child.
You'd think with each new iteration of religion that they would
improve their usefulness for the majority. All they ever offer is pain
and suffering if you don't believe. And grinding poverty of the
intellect if you do. Religion is a human reaction to having too small
a mind to cope with the size and complexity of our universe. Or even
our own despoiled world. The bible is the village mentality written
down for pedants. Not one second in everlasting torment would have
been be wasted, in your vision of hell, if it left my mind unscathed
by your dangerous, superstitious nonsense. Religion offers no filter
or instrument which aids vision or understanding of anything but the
crippled inadequacy of the average human mind to cope with the very
ordinary.

Better dead than a bible read.

Chris.B wrote:
On Oct 16, 7:21 am, Roger Hunt wrote:

I prefer to put the price of card and stamp into a Cancer Research
charity collection tin.
Just imagine how much good a million times that sum could do, rather
than a mountain of cards which are of no practical use whatsoever.
--
Roger Hunt

Amen! Let the real doctors have a real chance to cure the suffering
of millions before one priest gets a chance to kill one sick child.
You'd think with each new iteration of religion that they would
improve their usefulness for the majority. All they ever offer is pain
and suffering if you don't believe. And grinding poverty of the
intellect if you do. Religion is a human reaction to having too small
a mind to cope with the size and complexity of our universe. Or even
our own despoiled world. The bible is the village mentality written
down for pedants. Not one second in everlasting torment would have
been be wasted, in your vision of hell, if it left my mind unscathed
by your dangerous, superstitious nonsense. Religion offers no filter
or instrument which aids vision or understanding of anything but the
crippled inadequacy of the average human mind to cope with the very
ordinary.

Better dead than a bible read.

I could just as easily say that it takes a large, open mind to suspend
disbelief, ignore the blatant violations of human rights and the laws of
physics, and process enough of scripture to see that there is a lot of good
and moral teaching in it (no matter what religion).

But I won't. :-)

Just like brushing away sand in search of evidence of the physical, one must
brush away the inadequaciesof scripture, to see evidence of the spiritual.
In either case, one first has to _want_ to find it.

There are two kinds of people in this world (yeah, that's right, just two
snerk), those who see the good, and those who see the bad. The Fransican's
say, "Better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness."

We accomplish more in the next generation by our example, than we do by all
of our chest thumping. My example to my kids is not to eviscerate their
beliefs, but to encourage the consideration of other possibilities.

In spite of the existence or non-existence of some divine source of the
universe or multiverse, it is men that are evil, and men that are good, and
the gods they imagine, are are a reflection of who they are.

My god is good, and kick's ass whenever someone's bad god appears. I know
this to be true, because I haven't killed anyone yet. ;-)

---
Steve Paul

"David Staup" wrote in message
...
The following was forwarded to me by my son-in-law and as a dad and
grandfather I cannot help myself I am forwarding this every way I
can...please take a little time to help make this brave young girls wish
come true beyond even her dream....David




Riley Philpot is a 9 year old little girl who has been battling a rare
form
of cancer since she was 6. Her cancer has returned and she is currently
in
the hospital. Make A Wish Foundation was contacted and Riley's wish was
not
a trip to Disney World. It is to have the mailman dump a bag of "a
million"
Get Well cards at her door when she returns!! Please take the time to
send
a Get Well card to Riley. Thank you so much! You do not have to know
this
little girl to make this wish come true. If this was your child, and a
simple wish like this was asked, a stamp is not much. I hope that you
smile
as you drop it in the mail. Please forward this to anyone who you think
will help this dream come true. I do not know when she will return from
the
hospital, but let's attempt to have your card in the mail by October 16th.

I'm sorry to hear this, and I apologize to you for my outburst to another
replier but I felt it was necessary.

I will indeed pray for this girl in the hope that, if it's God's will, she
makes a full recovery.

lou


Here is her name and address:

Riley Philpot

206 Slaney Loop Road

Winterville, NC 28590



And please keep her in your prayers as well.

lou feeders wrote:

I will indeed pray for this girl in the hope that, if it's God's will, she
makes a full recovery.

If it is God's will? You had to hedge, didn't you? That way if Little
Riley doesn't make a full recovery you can write it off as being God's
will that she does not.

How could it not be God's, or anyone's, will that little Riley be
healthy and happy?

Yet you must already know that it is God's will that Riley be gravely
ill, otherwise little Riley would be healthy and happy now, don'cha
think? Secular Humanists like me don't have the power to cause cancer,
or the vindictiveness of your God(s).

Sorry, but I'm going to continue to put my $ into cancer research.
Ignorance and superstition may rant and rave and hate and accuse, but
it never invented anything but myths, and it never cured anyone of
anything.

Davoud

--
I agree with everything that you have said and everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

"Davoud" wrote in message
...
lou feeders wrote:

I will indeed pray for this girl in the hope that, if it's God's will,
she
makes a full recovery.

If it is God's will? You had to hedge, didn't you? That way if Little
Riley doesn't make a full recovery you can write it off as being God's
will that she does not.

Everything done on this planet is according to God's will. It is either His
will that she is healed, or His will that she is not healed. Yes,
sometimes, in fact often times, the answer is not what we expected or
wanted. It is not a "write off" at all, it is all done according to His
will no matter what we pray.

How could it not be God's, or anyone's, will that little Riley be
healthy and happy?

It is His will in all cases.

Yet you must already know that it is God's will that Riley be gravely
ill, otherwise little Riley would be healthy and happy now, don'cha
think?

There is a purpose for her suffering, but no one might know what it is, only
God.

Secular Humanists like me don't have the power to cause cancer,
or the vindictiveness of your God(s).

Well, by denying His existence, you open the door to sin in a very dramatic
way. This sin often has the ripple effect causing even the innocent to
suffer sometimes horribly. It is not God's doing, but man's.

Sorry, but I'm going to continue to put my $ into cancer research.
Ignorance and superstition may rant and rave and hate and accuse, but
it never invented anything but myths, and it never cured anyone of
anything.

This is exactly what God's adversary, Satan, wants you to do and you proudly
do it as well as so many others. Satan relies on logical thinking and
"proof" concepts to keep you under his control. This is not new and has
been going on since the beginning of mankind. It is quite easy not to
believe in anything, especially in this technological age we live in, but it
is extremely difficult to have a belief in God. The path to Heaven is a
difficult one, but it is not impossible especially if you see the fallacies
in man's thinking.

If I were you, I would pray for my soul, especially after many of the
atheistic comments I see you making here. It is not for me to judge where
you'll end up, however.

lou


Davoud

--
I agree with everything that you have said and everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

On Oct 14, 8:45*pm, "lou feeders" wrote:
Well, by denying His existence, you open the door to sin in a very dramatic
way. *This sin often has the ripple effect causing even the innocent to
suffer sometimes horribly. *It is not God's doing, but man's.

Uh, wait a minute! You just said:

Everything done on this planet is according to God's will.

If "everything done on this planet is according to God's will", then
how can "sin" be "not God's doing, but man's"?

If Davoud denies "His" (god's) existence, that must be part of "God's
will", right? Otherwise God would prevent Davoud from denying God's
existence.

Ignorance and superstition.

This is exactly what God's adversary, Satan, wants you to do and you proudly
do it as well as so many others. *Satan relies on logical thinking and
"proof" concepts to keep you under his control.

Oh good grief, what are you doing in a science discussion group?
"Satan"?! "Logical thinking" is a bad thing?!?

*The path to Heaven is a
difficult one, but it is not impossible especially if you see the fallacies
in man's thinking.

The fallacies in one man's "thinking" (yours) could not be any
clearer.

"We've been attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of the
culture" said one christian.

wrote in message .

"Uh, wait a minute! You just said:

Everything done on this planet is according to God's will.

If "everything done on this planet is according to God's will", then
how can "sin" be "not God's doing, but man's"?"

God allowed Satan to tempt man at the very beginning of his existence and we
are living proof that we failed the test. It is God's will that man has
free will and therefore, because of that free will, we have the opportunity
to sin.

"If Davoud denies "His" (god's) existence, that must be part of "God's
will", right? Otherwise God would prevent Davoud from denying God's
existence."

Due to God's will, David (as well as the rest of us) has free will to
believe as he chooses. If man had not failed the initial test, then we
wouldn't be having this conversation because we would be seeing God on a
regular basis. Choosing the free will path meant that man would not have
the priviledge of seeing or detecting God until a person dies and only if
they have been good enough.

"Ignorance and superstition."

Same as I said to David: that is exactly what Satan and his followers (and
there are many on this planet who were cast out at the same time as him)
want you to believe thereby closing the pathway to God.

This is exactly what God's adversary, Satan, wants you to do and you
proudly
do it as well as so many others. Satan relies on logical thinking and
"proof" concepts to keep you under his control.

"Oh good grief, what are you doing in a science discussion group?
"Satan"?! "Logical thinking" is a bad thing?!?"

I never said that. I said that Satan relies on logical thinking to keep you
trapped. It is perfectly logical to have logical thinking without Satan
also. It isn't an absolute unless an individual makes it that way.

The path to Heaven is a
difficult one, but it is not impossible especially if you see the
fallacies
in man's thinking.

"The fallacies in one man's "thinking" (yours) could not be any
clearer."

Depends on which side of the coin you are on. With the satanic/ atheistic
side, no doubt you see this.

"We've been attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of the
culture" said one christian.

No wonder with the amount of evil in the world today. There has never been
a time of greater evil and negative influence, so Christians must act
accordingly.

lou

lou feeders wrote:
You liberal atheistic scum.
you low life
YOU are one of the reasons why this girl and other people suffer
...your perverted whim

And later:
It is not for me to judge...

Gee, I don't know, but you sound kind of judgmental to me. I think I'll
stand by what I said:

Ignorance and superstition may rant and rave and hate and accuse...
(see above for your own words)

If God has a will and "His will be done," does your willingness to pray
mean that you believe that s/he can be persuaded to change her/his
mind?

There is a purpose for her suffering, but no one might know what it is, only
God.

And this God of yours shouldn't be held accountable for making a little
girl suffer? He wouldn't stand a chance in a court of justice with the
defense "Her suffering suited my purpose and I am not going to tell you
what that purpose is." I think he ought to be put on trial for child
abuse and torture. Causing war, famine, and disease. Get him off the
streets and into a prison or an asylum before he picks on another
child.

I'm told this God is everywhere--kind of like Al-Qa'eda or H1N1
(another of his clever creations). It's a huge job, but we need to
fight his influence wherever we find it and bring to justice those who
commit crimes against Humanity on his behalf.

Davoud

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things
and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil
things, that takes religion." -- Steven Weinberg

--
I agree with everything that you have said and everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

..
"Davoud" wrote in message
...
lou feeders wrote:
You liberal atheistic scum.
you low life
YOU are one of the reasons why this girl and other people suffer
...your perverted whim

And later:
It is not for me to judge...

Gee, I don't know, but you sound kind of judgmental to me. I think I'll
stand by what I said:

Difficult not to judge you when reading your outspoken opinions here.

Ignorance and superstition may rant and rave and hate and accuse...
(see above for your own words)

If God has a will and "His will be done," does your willingness to pray
mean that you believe that s/he can be persuaded to change her/his
mind?

I think prayer can change His mind, yes, but not always.

There is a purpose for her suffering, but no one might know what it is,
only
God.

And this God of yours shouldn't be held accountable for making a little
girl suffer?

He is not causing the suffering, something about her body is.

He wouldn't stand a chance in a court of justice with the
defense "Her suffering suited my purpose and I am not going to tell you
what that purpose is." I think he ought to be put on trial for child
abuse and torture. Causing war, famine, and disease. Get him off the
streets and into a prison or an asylum before he picks on another
child.

Exactly what God's enemy has you thinking. And you continue to believe it.
If you don't understand the concept of suffering, re-read or read The Bible.
If still confused, consult a preacher, priest, rabbi, etc. IF you happen to
believe what you said above, you not only put yourself at risk for suffering
(or worse) but your family and even strangers as well. Suffering is the
result of sin, by you and others.

I'm told this God is everywhere--kind of like Al-Qa'eda or H1N1
(another of his clever creations). It's a huge job, but we need to
fight his influence wherever we find it and bring to justice those who
commit crimes against Humanity on his behalf.

Again, your outspokeness ripples across this group like a rotten tomato.
God is everywhere, humans chose free will from the beginning as a result of
sin, and now we pay for the choice in many ways, the most prominent way
being that we can't see or communicate with God as physical humans. The
only way is by living as Godly as possible, dying, and then hopefully you
reside with Him if judgement is in your favor.

Davoud

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things
and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil
things, that takes religion." -- Steven Weinberg

Yeah, another one of your great sig lines offensive as they are, but hey,
you think you'll never have to answer to anyone so why not? Or why not
commit some horrible crime when you won't have to answer for it? You walk a
very fine line and I'm surprised that during your 65+ years you haven't
learned a whole lot about life in general. I'm roughly half of your age
with about 10x your maturity level.

lou

--
I agree with everything that you have said and everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

In article ,
"David Staup" wrote:

The following was forwarded to me by my son-in-law and as a dad and
grandfather I cannot help myself I am forwarding this every way I
can...

Namely spamming -- and multiposting to boot.

--
Odysseus