Thesis on MacDougall Space and the Astral Form

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Thesis on MacDougall Space and the Astral Form.

Part 1.

The Good News According to John 14,2
In my Fathers house are many mansions.

Duncan MacDougall MD in 1907 wrote "If personal continuity after the
event of bodily death is a fact [1], if the psychic functions continue
to exist as a separate individual or personality after the death of brain
and body, then such personality can only exist as a space occupying
body, unless the relations between space objective and space notions in
our consciousness, established in our consciousness by heredity and
experience, are entirely wiped out at death and a new set of relations
between space and consciousness suddenly established in the continuing
personality. This would be an unimaginable breach in the continuity of
nature.

Show me the Pythagoreum theorum.

No, not an example of it in practice, and no, not a written
representation of it. Show me the thing in itself.
Show me the form of the Pythagorean Theorum.

What do you mean it has no substance? It exists does it not?

It is a law of nature is it not?

Yet it has no substance.

It occupies no space.

Show me a bed.

No not a big one. Not a colored one. Not a particluar one,
show me a bed. The thing in and of itself.

A bed is something you lay down on to sleep, and many of
them look similar but not all, but the notion or idea
of a bed is a thing is it not? Yet it has no substance.


I could go on and on, but that is the argument that Plato
and Aristotle used for the existenc of things which have
no atoms.

So the notion that things must have atoms to exist is erroneus and
false.

In Bells Theorum, spooky action at a distance, also, dissolves
any argument that things must physically touch to affect each other.



It is unthinkable that personality and consciousness continuing personal
identity should exist, and have being, and yet not occupy space.


Not so. In fact it has never been proven in any way shape or form,
that consciousness requires space at all, or that in fact,
consciousness is in any way a chemical or electrical or biochemical
or electrochemical process.

The light patterns on a monitor which show areas of the brain
during brain activity do not prove the origin of that activity.

If consciousness causes the brain to think, we still do not
know how it does it. It may cause the electrochemical
or biochemical processes but that tells us nothing about
the stuff of consciousness itself.

A person with Alzimers loses memory and people with injuries
and ailments lose function of the brain, and still
we do not know if that is merely the inability to
operate the brain as was done previously.

It does not prove that consciousness is affected.

It is
impossible to represent in thought that which is not space-occupying, as
having personality; for that would be equivalent to thinking that nothing
had become or was something, that emptiness had personality, that space
itself was more than space, all of which are contradictions and absurd."


Here is a point . here is another point .

How does information, be it an electron, or a photon, or anything
at all with substance, get from a to b?

Is it solid between them? Does information travel on a solid?

Is it points then?

Can we divide the area into smaller and smaller sections,
merely by dividing the area between by two for ever?

Then how does anything cross the infinity, that exists
between two points?

Space houses infinity does it not?

Does it not house infinite space and time?

And what proof do you have, that there are not more dimensions?

What proof do you have that hyperspace does not exist when
physics today tells us it does. What does the universe expand into,
if not another dimension where there is no dimensional space?
(No xyz)




We begin with MacDougall rationalizing space as if analogous with
n-dimensional form and "nothing" as that which is "not space-occupying".


What about n-dimensional space. I am sorry but it sounds to me,
like MacDougall read about n-dimensional space, did not
understand it, and went forth to make stuff up, with no basis
of fact, just beliefs based on past beliefs which themselves were
not based on experiment, but merely ideas and notions.
Worse still, the motivation came from the attempt to deny or disprove
religious doctrine. That sounds like the starting point of
his argument.

"I shall set out to disprove the soul"

Based on what exactly?

Psuedo-science, fanciful notions, and the mere will to disprove
religion in any way shape or form possible. To do away with
aether. To deny all existence which cannot be seen felt heard,
smelt or tasted. To live in the real world! (They always say,
wishing the world would accomodate them)

Well wishing don't make it so.


In MacDougalls black and white universe all that is created exists within
the manifold of space. Nothing may come from nothingness, not even
quantum mechanical virtual particles. All that has form has origins in
form [2]. With his black and white rationale he goes on to add "Since
therefore it is necessary to the continuance of conscious life and
personal identity after death, that they must have for a basis that which
is space-occupying, or substance, the question arises has this substance
weight, is it ponderable?"
Well it is certainly ponderable in terms of MacDougall space form.
Whether it has weight (mass) and other properties will depend exactly
on how this "personality" (or Astral) form "hooks" onto MacDougall space
form. Properties such as weight and force are the result of form
interacting with form by means of hooks built into the form.
All of physics and chemistry describes the world in this way ultimately.
As it turns out the Astral form may indeed have hooks into "our world"
that give it mass and weight thus bringing us some small way towards
a determination in regard of supposition [1].

End of part 1.

Majestik




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