A dark future for cosmology

"oldcoot" wrote in message...
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On Dec 26, 6:30 am, "Painius" wrote:

Now, *my* questions are similar...

Q's.: What drives the engine of _s e n t i e n t_ life?

Sentience must begin at some point between conception
and birth, or maybe after we're born. When, exactly, does
this happen, do you think?

Well, has sentience, or life itself, ever been known to arise from non-
life? The Greeks had that thing about the ineffable 'pneuma' being the
source or "breath" of life. 'Pneuma' was synonymous with 'spirit'. But
we now know the pneuma's just plain ol' air, which although
*necessary* for life, is not the base field from which life arises.

Today we've come upon the latter-day 'Pneuma', the "stuff" of space
itself, the Sub-Planck Energy Domain, of which matter is the low-
grade, superfluous by-product (the 'dustbunny'). Yet the scientific
mainstream rejects and denies the existance of this universe-filling
Plenum of space in favor of the 'Void'. So the question is this:

Do life and sentience arise from matter alone, as the Void-Space
Paradigm would dictate? OR.. do life, consciousness, and ultimately
sentience, arise from the Base Field of space itself?

And moreover, are humans endowed with some "organ (or organs) of
articulation" by which to perceive this Base Field? Down through time
and in all cultures, have there been a few individuals genetically
gifted in this perception? Bereft of any science acumen, did they
render what they saw in terms of religious myth, metaphor and symbol?
But today, with the full lexicon of science available and no need for
archaic symbolism, should not those gifted ones be able to explain
*literally* what they've seen (once unshackled from the void-space
indoctrination)?

Oh, i think there is still a definite need in the
world for symbolism, both archaic and modern!
(Modern ones are pretty much just revivals of
the ancient and archaic symbols.)

When Carl Jung's archetypes are studied, one
notes an apparent genetic affinity, almost an
instinctive *need* for such symbols.

And it appears that this can easily result in the
average person being "taken to the cleaners"
by some of those "gifted ones" you mention.
Perhaps it is for the very reason that, while a
full lexicon of science is available, most of the
population cares little for it, and therefore have
very little knowledge of it.

Attach to this the fact that few scientists are
well-versed in bringing their knowledge to the
people in comprehensible terms, as well as the
fact that there is still much to learn as regards
the separation of fantasy and reality, and the
world *still has* a lot of room for both the
religious and the atheistic "gifted ones" to do
their "magic", sometimes to the point of poison
koolaid.

I believe you're right, though. It's tough to find
evidence that can be widely accepted, but there
must be more to life and sentience than "meets
the eye".

There seems to be a definite, more orderly set
of vibrations that are emitted by sentient life.
And as well, there also seems to be a definite
"receiver" of these emissions, these "vibes" if
you will, "out there somewhere". I've had a
good deal of experiences in my life for which
there appears to be no better explanation!

happy new-year days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine

P.S. (shh) Some secret sites...
http://painellsworth.net
http://savethechildren.org/
http://home.secretsgolden.com

P.P.S. Thank YOU for reading!

On Dec 27, 4:20*am, "Painius" wrote:

There seems to be a definite, more orderly set
of vibrations...

Sounds suspiciously like the the sub-Planckian wavelength domain.

...that are emitted by sentient life.

Not just "emitted by" sentient life, but filling every cc of space,
everywhere.

And as well, there also seems to be a definite
"receiver" of these emissions, these "vibes" if
you will, "out there somewhere". *I've had a
good deal of experiences in my life for which
there appears to be no better explanation!

You oughta do some Googling on the work of Bohm and Pribram too. Lotta
good stuff about Bohm's 'Implicate Order' that underlies physical
realty (corresponding to the sub-Planck energy domain or SPED), its
universally holographic nature, and its being the root of
consciousness. As Sagan once said, we are "star stuff". And more to
the point, we are "space stuff" as well.

Jeff That is why G=EMC^2 is the equation for the universe .G for God or
G for gravity. Best to think motion(energy) for the universe than
static(no motion) Without motion there can be no universes. Action it
is. Bert

Ignorant fools, the cosmos seems semi-random to us, full of motion;
but it's not, it's a motionless hypervolume.

nightbat wrote

Jeffâ˜*Relf wrote:
Science Team Officer Jeff Relf

Ignorant fools, the cosmos seems semi-random to us, full of motion;
but it's not, it's a motionless hypervolume.


nightbat

Your post illustrates how individual variety of point of frame
understanding versus time frame accepted group consensus can be both
polarized from actual reality.

carry on,
the nightbat

My wording was quite sloppy, Nightbat,
I meant to say that we're all “ ignorant fools �;
and, because of that, the fully-causal cosmos seems semi-random.

I'm a physicalist, not a Mormon nor a Scientologist.

In other words, I assert that:
“ Physical processes determine absolutely everything;
all randomness, all motion, all life, is notional, not physical. �.

So intrinsically, objectively, time is genuinely spatial.
The past and the future are no different from east and west.
The 4-D cosmos ( a.k.a. the hypervolume ) is motionless.

"oldcoot" wrote in message...
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On Dec 27, 4:20 am, "Painius" wrote:

There seems to be a definite, more orderly set
of vibrations...

Sounds suspiciously like the the sub-Planckian wavelength domain.

...that are emitted by sentient life.

Not just "emitted by" sentient life, but filling every cc of space,
everywhere.

And as well, there also seems to be a definite
"receiver" of these emissions, these "vibes" if
you will, "out there somewhere". I've had a
good deal of experiences in my life for which
there appears to be no better explanation!

You oughta do some Googling on the work of Bohm and Pribram too. Lotta
good stuff about Bohm's 'Implicate Order' that underlies physical
realty (corresponding to the sub-Planck energy domain or SPED), its
universally holographic nature, and its being the root of
consciousness. As Sagan once said, we are "star stuff". And more to
the point, we are "space stuff" as well.

Hmm... "holographic", "holonomic", "Gestalt",
"implicate order", "the whole is greater than the
sum of its parts".

How can this be? If there *is* such a thing as
implicate order, then how can the whole possibly
be greater than the sum of its parts?

If Bohm and Pribram had started from the other
end (from the whole itself rather than from the
"parts and particles" of quantum physics and
cognitive neuroscience, then instead of implicate
order, they would have come up with "implicate
chaos" instead.

Chaos, to be found within an orderly "whole", is
the only way that the whole can be greater than
the sum of its parts (if one is to give credence to
Gestalt theory).

Personally, i think that any living thing is proof
that a whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Non-living things, too, for that matter. It's just
more obvious in living things.

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine

P.S. Thank YOU for reading!

P.P.S. (shh) Some secret sites...
http://painellsworth.net
http://savethechildren.org
http://home.secretsgolden.com

On Jan 14, 1:12*am, "Painius" wrote:

Hmm... "holographic", "holonomic", "Gestalt",
"implicate order", "the whole is greater than the
sum of its parts".

How can this be? *If there *is* such a thing as
implicate order, then how can the whole possibly
be greater than the sum of its parts?

If Bohm and Pribram had started from the other
end (from the whole itself rather than from the
"parts and particles" of quantum physics and
cognitive neuroscience, then instead of implicate
order, they would have come up with "implicate
chaos" instead.

As discussed many times, Wolter operated from a different base
entirely, using what he termed 'intutitive extrapolation' (IE). It's
based on observing patterns and principles in nature that are
consistently recurrent, and deducing the nature of the unseen from it.
It's based on Occam's Razor and the law of probability (vis-a-vis
"uncertainty"). What is unseen is *more likely* to display the same
patterns/principles as what is seen, than not. He nicknamed it the
'iceberg principle'. He built his entire cosmology on it, starting
from the Maxim "There is no perceptible upper limit to amplitude of EM
radiation, testifying to a *carrier medium* of even greater energy
density than the most energetic wave it carries." From that one Maxim
nucleated the entire CBB model and its numerous, cross-congruent
'sidebars'.
Seeing the extreme ordered-ness of the Periodic
Table, IE deduced the sub-Planck domain as a realm of exquisite,
octave-like *order* (vis-a-vis "chaos"), as we discussed here several
times. Wolter had never heard of chaos theory, and had never studied
Bohm/Pribram until his last few months. When he did study Bohm, he
found that Bohm's 'Implicate Order' dovetailed exquisitely with his
sub-Planckian "super energy-dense matrix of space" (as he called it
then). And Pribram's work with holography squared with its
intrinsically, universally holographic nature. (Ever pondered on the
same-ness of all the elements, everywhere, at all times? How do the
elements 'know' to be what they are, even when far out of lightspeed
communication on opposite sides of the universe.. except for the
universally-holographic Plenum of space?)

Chaos, to be found within an orderly "whole", is
the only way that the whole can be greater than
the sum of its parts (if one is to give credence to
Gestalt theory).

Seems more like "chaos" theory and its 'Bobbsey Twin', Uncertainty,
are spinoffs of the VSP. :-)

Personally, i think that any living thing is proof
that a whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Non-living things, too, for that matter. *It's just
more obvious in living things.

Amen, bro.

oc