Test firing Saturn 5 listing

Hi, Anybody know where found the listing of all tests firing of all Saturn 5
stages before shipment at KSC ?

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Didier Capdevila
Capcom Espace, le site de l' espace
www.capcomespace.net

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 00:24:20 +0100, "Capcom"
wrote:

Hi, Anybody know where found the listing of all tests firing of all Saturn 5
stages before shipment at KSC ?


Many of the Saturn V static test firings are listed in this online
NASA Marshall Space Flight Center book. I don't know if all of them
are listed.


-SATURN ILLUSTRATED CHRONOLOGY

http://history.nasa.gov/MHR-5/cover.htm




- Rusty Barton

Hi Didier,

This may contain some of the information you want:

http://history.nasa.gov/MHR-5/cover.htm

Best regards,
Ed Hengeveld


"Capcom" wrote in message ...
Hi, Anybody know where found the listing of all tests firing of all Saturn 5
stages before shipment at KSC ?

Ed Hengeveld wrote:
Hi Didier,

This may contain some of the information you want:

http://history.nasa.gov/MHR-5/cover.htm

Best regards,
Ed Hengeveld

Of course yes
According this book, the S1C T, named "T bird" was fired on MSFC stand in
1965 and on MTF stand on 1967. But this stage was shown on pictures at
Marshall MIX without engines. How is possible ?
Is it the only "stage test" fired on stand before the first flight stage ?



"Capcom" wrote in message
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Hi, Anybody know where found the listing of all tests firing of all
Saturn 5 stages before shipment at KSC ?

--
Cordialement,

Didier Capdevila
Capcom Espace, le site de l' espace
www.capcomespace.net

Of course yes
According this book, the S1C T, named "T bird" was fired on MSFC stand in
1965 and on MTF stand on 1967. But this stage was shown on pictures at
Marshall MIX without engines. How is possible ?
Is it the only "stage test" fired on stand before the first flight stage ?

All stages are test fired. I don't know the specific pictures, but it is
possible that the engines, or more likely the engine bells, were removed for
transport. IIRC from Spacecraft Films Apollo 11 DVD, the S1C engine bells
were remounted in the VAB prior to stage erection and stacking.

Ami Silberman wrote:
Of course yes
According this book, the S1C T, named "T bird" was fired on MSFC
stand in 1965 and on MTF stand on 1967. But this stage was shown on
pictures at Marshall MIX without engines. How is possible ?
Is it the only "stage test" fired on stand before the first flight
stage ?

All stages are test fired. I don't know the specific pictures, but it
is possible that the engines, or more likely the engine bells, were
removed for transport. IIRC from Spacecraft Films Apollo 11 DVD, the
S1C engine bells were remounted in the VAB prior to stage erection
and stacking.

Thank you, exactly, in the MIX, the caption said "engines are mounted after
the stage hoisted". After this test firnig, the stages was shipped at MTF
for test firnig in new stand B1, but I don t know if the 5 engines remaind
in place on stage.

This pic http://mix.msfc.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/MSFC-6634373.html
show the S1C D hoisted on dynamic stand at Marshall in 1965.

This pic http://mix.msfc.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/MSFC-6761031.html
show a S1C hoisted on stand at MTF (Stennis center now). Look the F1
engines. Is it the S1C D or the S1C T with one engines ?

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Cordialement,

Didier Capdevila
Capcom Espace, le site de l' espace
www.capcomespace.net

"Capcom" wrote in message ...
Ed Hengeveld wrote:
Hi Didier,

This may contain some of the information you want:

http://history.nasa.gov/MHR-5/cover.htm

Best regards,
Ed Hengeveld

Of course yes
According this book, the S1C T, named "T bird" was fired on MSFC stand in
1965 and on MTF stand on 1967. But this stage was shown on pictures at
Marshall MIX without engines. How is possible ?
Is it the only "stage test" fired on stand before the first flight stage ?


Here is the information I have on the four Saturn V test stages
that were built. Marshall also built stage mockups. S-1-T was
the only test stage used for static test firings. All of the
Saturn V flight stages were also run through full-up acceptance
test firings. The photo you refer to might show one of the other
test stages.


S-1C Test Stages:

S-1C-T: "All systems" test stage, known as "T-Bird". Built by MSFC.
First S-1C assembled. Construction began 1963. Completed early 1965.
Equipped with 5 F-1 engines. Used in static propulsion tests at MSFC.
Erected in S-1C test stand March 1, 1965. First fired April 15, 1965.
First full duration test August 15, 1965. Fifteeen tests altogether.
Moved to MTF to test new S-1C test stand October 1965. First test on
3-3-1967. Returned to MSFC March 1967. Additional static tests at
MSFC through at least August 1967. Stage accumulated a grand total of
at least 22 test firings. [Now displayed at KSC Saturn 5 Center, in
a modified paint scheme meant to mimic S-1C-6].

S-1C-S: Structural test stage without engines. Second S-1C built by
MSFC. Built 1963-1965. Used for structural load testing at MSFC in
1965. [Scrapped].

S-1C-F: Facilities test stage with real center engine and four
simulated outer engines. Third S-1C built by MSFC 1963-1965. Shipped
to KSC from MAF January 1966 for facility testing as part of SA-500-F
vehicle. Rolled out to LC39A on 5-25-1966. Returned to MSFC and stored
on lot. [Scrapped].

S-1C-D: Dynamic test stage with real center engine and four simulated
outer engines. First S-1C built by Boeing at Michoud 1964-1965. Shipped
to MSFC in October 1965 for dynamic testing as part of full three-stage
SA-500-D vehicle. Erected in Dynamic Test Stand January 31, 1966.
Tested with spacer S-2 and S-IVB-D during 1966. Tested with S-2-F/D
and full Saturn 5 for 10 weeks during spring of 1967. [Now displayed at
U.S. Space & Rocket Center (USSRC) in Huntsville].

- Ed Kyle

ed kyle wrote:
Here is the information I have on the four Saturn V test stages
that were built. Marshall also built stage mockups. S-1-T was
the only test stage used for static test firings. All of the
Saturn V flight stages were also run through full-up acceptance
test firings. The photo you refer to might show one of the other
test stages.

No its in fact was the T bird, but on mars 1965 it was hoisted on stand
witout engines according caption to MIX. The 5 F1 are mounetd after.


S-1C Test Stages:

S-1C-T: "All systems" test stage, known as "T-Bird". Built by MSFC.
First S-1C assembled. Construction began 1963. Completed early 1965.
Equipped with 5 F-1 engines. Used in static propulsion tests at MSFC.
Erected in S-1C test stand March 1, 1965. First fired April 15, 1965.
First full duration test August 15, 1965. Fifteeen tests altogether.
Moved to MTF to test new S-1C test stand October 1965. First test on
3-3-1967. Returned to MSFC March 1967. Additional static tests at
MSFC through at least August 1967. Stage accumulated a grand total of
at least 22 test firings. [Now displayed at KSC Saturn 5 Center, in
a modified paint scheme meant to mimic S-1C-6].

S-1C-S: Structural test stage without engines. Second S-1C built by
MSFC. Built 1963-1965. Used for structural load testing at MSFC in
1965. [Scrapped].

S-1C-F: Facilities test stage with real center engine and four
simulated outer engines. Third S-1C built by MSFC 1963-1965. Shipped
to KSC from MAF January 1966 for facility testing as part of SA-500-F
vehicle. Rolled out to LC39A on 5-25-1966. Returned to MSFC and stored
on lot. [Scrapped].

S-1C-D: Dynamic test stage with real center engine and four simulated
outer engines.

Are you sure ?, On MIX , it is show with the real engines on corner, not on
the center
http://mix.msfc.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/MSFC-6634373.html

First S-1C built by Boeing at Michoud 1964-1965.
Shipped to MSFC in October 1965 for dynamic testing as part of full
three-stage SA-500-D vehicle. Erected in Dynamic Test Stand January
31, 1966. Tested with spacer S-2 and S-IVB-D during 1966. Tested with
S-2-F/D and full Saturn 5 for 10 weeks during spring of 1967. [Now
displayed at U.S. Space & Rocket Center (USSRC) in Huntsville].

If the S1C D are one real engines at the corner, this pic on MIX showed this
stage at MTF.
http://mix.msfc.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/MSFC-6761031.html

If it is not the S1C D, what is the S1C with one real engine at the corner
fired on MTF ?

- Ed Kyle


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Didier Capdevila
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"Capcom" wrote in
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If the S1C D are one real engines at the corner, this pic on MIX
showed this stage at MTF.
http://mix.msfc.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/MSFC-6761031.html

If it is not the S1C D, what is the S1C with one real engine at the
corner fired on MTF ?

The caption of that picture says that the thing on the corner that
*looks* like an F-1 engine is a dummy...

The photograph shows the 300,000 pound S-IC stage being lifted
from its transporter into place inside the 360-foot tall test
stand. This dynamic test booster has one dummy F-1 engine and
weight simulators are used at the other four engine positions.


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Reed

"Capcom" wrote in message ...
ed kyle wrote:

S-1C-D: Dynamic test stage with real center engine and four simulated
outer engines.

Are you sure ?, On MIX , it is show with the real engines on corner, not on
the center
http://mix.msfc.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/MSFC-6634373.html


I stand corrected. "Stages to Saturn" says it had one real
F-1 and four F-1 mass simulators, but does not specify their
positions. I wonder if the real F-1 might not have been
rotated into other positions during the dynamic test series.

First S-1C built by Boeing at Michoud 1964-1965.
Shipped to MSFC in October 1965 for dynamic testing as part of full
three-stage SA-500-D vehicle. Erected in Dynamic Test Stand January
31, 1966. Tested with spacer S-2 and S-IVB-D during 1966. Tested with
S-2-F/D and full Saturn 5 for 10 weeks during spring of 1967. [Now
displayed at U.S. Space & Rocket Center (USSRC) in Huntsville].

If the S1C D are one real engines at the corner, this pic on MIX showed this
stage at MTF.
http://mix.msfc.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/MSFC-6761031.html

If it is not the S1C D, what is the S1C with one real engine at the corner
fired on MTF ?

Looks like it was S-IC-D. Sat Illustrated Chronology shows
that, after finishing dynamic testing at MSFC, S-IC-D was
shipped to MTF where it arrived on April 23, 1967. It was
"placed into storage pending its use in the early fall".
The photo seems to show it being hoisted into the B1 test
stand to "prove the operational readiness of the stand".

According to "Wernher von Braun, Crusader for Space" by
Stuhlinger and Ordway, von Braun had MSFC requisition
this stage in 1968 (via a request to Kennedy Space Center,
but I'm not sure if this means the stage had found its way
to KSC) for use in "Ground Transportation Tests". The
"tests" turned out to be the transportation of the stage
to the new U.S. Space and Rocket Center for display. It's
still there.

- Ed Kyle