Sorry for asking this...

Don't know how this came into my head, but now it's there...

If ever a Shuttle would have to perform a TAL, would this flight
qualify as a FAI record for the quickest crossing of the Atlantic?

Harald

[ducks and covers]

"Harald Kucharek" wrote in message
om...
Don't know how this came into my head, but now it's there...

If ever a Shuttle would have to perform a TAL, would this flight
qualify as a FAI record for the quickest crossing of the Atlantic?

Harald

[ducks and covers]

No need to duck, we'll shoot you wherever you are. ;-)

I doubt it would make it into the record books as it was not _intended_ to
be a flight across the Atlantic.

--
Alan Erskine
alanerskine(at)optusnet.com.au
Did John Howard lie to the Australian people?

"Alan Erskine" wrote in message
...
"Harald Kucharek" wrote in message
om...
Don't know how this came into my head, but now it's there...

If ever a Shuttle would have to perform a TAL, would this flight
qualify as a FAI record for the quickest crossing of the Atlantic?

Harald

[ducks and covers]

No need to duck, we'll shoot you wherever you are. ;-)

I doubt it would make it into the record books as it was not _intended_ to
be a flight across the Atlantic.

ROBERT PERSHING WADLOW didnt intend to be the worlds tallest man!

DOug

"Doug Ellison" wrote in message
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"Alan Erskine" wrote in message
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"Harald Kucharek" wrote in message
om...
Don't know how this came into my head, but now it's there...

If ever a Shuttle would have to perform a TAL, would this flight
qualify as a FAI record for the quickest crossing of the Atlantic?

Harald

[ducks and covers]

No need to duck, we'll shoot you wherever you are. ;-)

I doubt it would make it into the record books as it was not _intended_
to
be a flight across the Atlantic.

ROBERT PERSHING WADLOW didnt intend to be the worlds tallest man!

DOug

True, but to be an FAI record you have to "declare" your intentions ahead of
time.

Rick

"Rick Pellicciotti" wrote in message
news:3f21316d$1@ham...

"Doug Ellison" wrote in message
True, but to be an FAI record you have to "declare" your intentions ahead
of
time.

Sure, but as soon as Flight declares a TAO I'm sure someone can start filing
the paperwork. (Might only have a few minutes but... :-)



Rick

"Rick Pellicciotti" wrote in message
news:3f21316d$1@ham...
True, but to be an FAI record you have to "declare" your intentions ahead
of
time.

"(Orbiter) Houston, ABORT, TAL!"

Would the phone call to the contingency landing site telling them to look
for a large black & white glider in about ten minutes count?

"Terrence Daniels" wrote in
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"Rick Pellicciotti" wrote in message
news:3f21316d$1@ham...
True, but to be an FAI record you have to "declare" your intentions
ahead
of
time.

"(Orbiter) Houston, ABORT, TAL!"

Would the phone call to the contingency landing site telling them to look
for a large black & white glider in about ten minutes count?


http://studweb.studserv.uni-stuttgar...st_shuttle.htm

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:56:23 +1000, "Alan Erskine"
wrote:

If ever a Shuttle would have to perform a TAL, would this flight
qualify as a FAI record for the quickest crossing of the Atlantic?

No need to duck, we'll shoot you wherever you are. ;-)

I doubt it would make it into the record books as it was not _intended_ to
be a flight across the Atlantic.

'Wrong Way' Corrigan didn't "intend" to fly across the Atlantic,
either (well, that's his story...)

Brian

In article ,
says...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:56:23 +1000, "Alan Erskine"
wrote:

If ever a Shuttle would have to perform a TAL, would this flight
qualify as a FAI record for the quickest crossing of the Atlantic?

No need to duck, we'll shoot you wherever you are. ;-)

I doubt it would make it into the record books as it was not _intended_ to
be a flight across the Atlantic.

'Wrong Way' Corrigan didn't "intend" to fly across the Atlantic,
either (well, that's his story...)

It's not a matter of intent as much as it is a matter of a filed flight
plan, or some similar document. FAI would require the flight to be
*planned* prior to liftoff to begin in Florida and end in Europe, and
provide documentation of such plans, before it would award any records.

BTW, since the USSR fell and the documents have come out verifying that
Gagarin (and all Vostok pilots) ejected from their vehicles, has the FAI
ever acted to rescind their award of the record of first completed
orbital flight from Gagarin and award it instead to Glenn? John Glenn
was, indeed, the first man to launch into orbit and ride his spacecraft
back to the surface of the earth, after all, and wasn't that the FAI
requirement?

--

It's not the pace of life I mind; | Doug Van Dorn
it's the sudden stop at the end... |

Doug... wrote in message ...
In article ,
says...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:56:23 +1000, "Alan Erskine"
wrote:

If ever a Shuttle would have to perform a TAL, would this flight
qualify as a FAI record for the quickest crossing of the Atlantic?

No need to duck, we'll shoot you wherever you are. ;-)

I doubt it would make it into the record books as it was not _intended_ to
be a flight across the Atlantic.

'Wrong Way' Corrigan didn't "intend" to fly across the Atlantic,
either (well, that's his story...)

It's not a matter of intent as much as it is a matter of a filed flight
plan, or some similar document. FAI would require the flight to be
*planned* prior to liftoff to begin in Florida and end in Europe, and
provide documentation of such plans, before it would award any records.

So, would it be sufficient if they file a plan and when they don't have to
abort, it is simply a failed attempt to get the FAI record?

BTW, since the USSR fell and the documents have come out verifying that
Gagarin (and all Vostok pilots) ejected from their vehicles, has the FAI
ever acted to rescind their award of the record of first completed
orbital flight from Gagarin and award it instead to Glenn? John Glenn
was, indeed, the first man to launch into orbit and ride his spacecraft
back to the surface of the earth, after all, and wasn't that the FAI
requirement?

AFAIK, you are correct. But even when Gagarin has the FAI record, I guess
only few will deny him to be the first real spaceman. He launched and circled.
Bailing out just put away one of the hundred possibilities to get killed
on this flight - and added a new one. Was the ejection seat as hard as
an average ejection seat? I think, it also takes some guts to bail out.
I once asked Ed Mitchell on the subject of first astronaut on FAI rules.
He even didn't know what I was talking about. And if the US astronauts
didn't care, I won't. Someone should ask Glenn. Okay, maybe they would
stay silent for not looking like bad loosers, but I don't think so.