Why did the fullmoon so bright last night?

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"Hagar" wrote:

[...] riding to work on Friday morning I saw the Moon setting in the
west,
about 6:30am and it was quite a sight; it appeared three times its
normal
size and had a dark-reddish tint, almost as one would expect Mars to
appear,
at close range. I am sure the amplification effect was caused by
atmospheric
lensing.

If by "amplification" you mean its great apparent size, that's not
due
to the atmosphere, but to a well-known perceptual illusion. Images of
an
object near the horizon actually get compressed by atmospheric
refraction, quite the opposite of what our visual sense tells us.

--
Odysseus

OK, one more time: The ****ing Moon looked 2.5 times its normal size.
It was also bathed in a burnt orange like color. No, it is not an
illusion, because I have watched the Sun set in the Pacific ocean,
displaying identical traits. The additional "ether" one has to look
through when eyeing a visual path parallel to the Earth's surface must
act like a lens, making the Sun and the Moon appear larger, as they
approach the horizon.
Actually, the optical effects, make it look slightly smaller!....
However the way our 'brains' work, make it look a lot larger.
The only way to really get an idea of the size of the Moon at any time,
when just looking at it, is to 'override' the effect, hold your arm
out, and compare the actual size with (say) the size of the end of your
thumb at arms length. This gives you a reasonably 'constant' reference,
and you may well be suprised at what you find!...

So, you can either explain in detail the mystery of your "well-known
perceptual illusion", or shut up, because it sounds like gibberish to
me.
The illusion, is because there is a system in our visual processing,
which stops people/houses etc., from looking as small as they really
are, when a long way away. Effectively the visual processing in your
head, says 'this is a long way away, make it look bigger'. It tends
only to come into force, when something is low enough in the sky, that
your brain starts thinking 'this is near the horizon'.

Best Wishes

So, all the pictures of Pacific sunsets, where there is nothing bat
water, showing a larger than normal disk of good old Sol, are taken by
cameras whose film has been fooled by an optical illusion ??
No. Just a telephoto lens.
On a photgraph, you can make the scale anything you want....

Best Wishes

Was Thoth also created by Muslins (sic!), WartPlug?

Saul Levy


On 8 Oct 2006 16:26:19 -0700, "Warhol" wrote:


Scott Miller wrote:
Uno wrote:
I missed the news from NASA to explain super brightness of the fullmoon
last night. Ancient people discovered this 4-5 thousand years ago.

I don't think anyone, NASA included, was claiming something unusual
about the Moon last night. It was mentioned in one news release that
the Moon would be full near time a perigee, which would make it a little
closer than its average distance, and thus a little brighter. But I
don't think it was in the guise of a "new discovery". It was
informational for the majority of folks that don't bother getting
outside to experience the night sky, stuck instead in front of the TV or
computer gaming.

Nasa are dumb guy's if they can't explain that moon was close to the
Earth shadow (the eye of Horus) ... which means that the Moon faced the
sun... Why the moon was so bright...

"according to the belief and account of the Egyptians, eTyphon(socalled
by the ancients) at one time smites the eye of Horus, and at another
time snatches it out and swallows it, and then later gives it back
again to the Sun. By the smiting, they refer allegorically to the
monthly waning of the moon, and by the crippling, to its eclipse, which
the Sun heals by shining straight upon it as soon as it has escaped the
shadow of the earth."

The Myth & Legend of Thoth and The Book of Thoth

Thoth is one of the most complex Egyptian deities. According to
classical belief it was Thoth who brought the idea of creation into
existence by uttering the thoughts of the creator; Ptah then put those
spoken words into effect. The ancient Egyptians considered Thoth to be
the mind behind cosmic order, the architect of the universe. Thoth was
the principal deity of the city of Hermopolis (the City of Hermes) or
Khemnu as the Egyptians called it. According to Egyptian legend, the
temple of Hermopolis housed fragments of the cosmic egg (CometH) that
Thoth himself as the divine Ibis, had hatched on the Island of
creation, from the egg the first sun had risen.

Thoth's association with the creation myth also extends to the divine
birth of the pharaohs themselves. Thoth was said to lead Amun the king
of gods to the bedchamber of the waiting queen.

Thoth was not only associated with the creation of the physical world,
as the originator of the written word in the form of hieroglyphs, he is
also credited with the authorship of The Book of the Dead (The Book of
am Tuat). The Book of the dead is a book of spells, prayers and rituals
that would assist the dead on their journey to the afterlife. According
to Egyptian understanding the deceased person would be judged by a
panel of 42 assessors of the dead, which corresponded with the 42
administrative areas that Egypt was divided into. From this originates
the legend of the 42 Books of Thoth.

Hieroglyphs, the language of the gods.

Thoth's most recognisable association is that of the god of writing,
as such he is often depicted as a man with the head of an Ibis, holding
a writing stylus and an ankh. Ra was said to have appointed Thoth
'scribe of the Ennead' before he retreated from the Earth knowing
that Thoth's wisdom would allow him to serve as humanities teacher
and guardian. It was Thoth who was appointed to keep the affairs of
humanity in order. The written word was an essential tool for
organising and administering the government of Egypt bringing order and
structure to a vast country. It has been estimated that contrary to
popular belief, only around one percent of the Egyptian population was
literate, most of these being priests, members of the ruling classes
and scribes. Scribes, (sesh) were known as followers of Thoth and held
a unique and respected position because of their skills and the
connection with the words of the gods that those skills provided.

Hieroglyphs were known as 'medu neter', which translates as
'words of the gods'. When temple priests carried out services in
the temples and read from the temples texts they were thought to be
reading and speaking the magical and divine words of the Gods
themselves.

Whether in spoken or written form the words contained in these texts
were considered so sacred and so powerful that as a precaution, certain
hieroglyphs were actually inscribed in two separate halves to diminish
their power, which was considered highly potent and capable of causing
havoc if activated by mistake. Priests also conducted magical rituals
to activate the divine power that their texts contained.

The influence of the mythology enshrined in the written word was such
that over time developed into the legend of The Book of Thoth.
According to both esoteric and occult legend, the book of Thoth was
said to be the repository for the greater Egyptian mysteries. This was
said to be a book of magic that was so powerful that one single spell
that it contained it would give the person that spoke it access to all
knowledge beyond book learned knowledge and to wisdom of Thoth himself.
Legend has it that the Book of Thoth was hidden in an ancient tomb in
Sakkara, in Northern Egypt.

The many facets of Thoth

Besides being the god who introduced writing to the world, Thoth has
multiple other associations and is depicted in a variety of ways
sometimes he is shown as an ibis other times, a baboon or as a dog
headed ape wearing the combined lunar disc and crescent above his head.

Thoth's many roles include being the Egyptian God of the moon,
calendars, chronology, the spoken word, writing, magick and knowledge
and measurer of time (the latter being due to the fact that he rode
with Ra in the solar boat). Thoth also goes by several aliases
including Thot, Tehuti, and Djehuti. He is also known as Hermes
Trismegistus or 'Thrice Great' the Trismegistus title seems to
originate from the fact that the Egyptians knew him as Thoth, the
Greeks called him Hermes and finally the Romans named him Mercury. The
Thrice great association also links in to the fact that there are three
pyramids on the Giza plateau and certain esoteric texts such as the
Alchemy of the Soul refer to three temples of knowledge.

The Roman version of Thoth, Mercury, the god of thought was somewhat
androgynous in nature. A symbol of magic and intelligence Mercury was
associated with quick silver, the element mercury and the planet
closest to the sun. Mercury is one of the three principals of alchemy.

The magickal association of Thoth extends into his title of Hermes
Trismegistos, in fact the term Hermeticism (the magical, astrological
and alchemical doctrines derived from Egyptian and Hebrew sources)
originates from this association. As Hermes Trismegistos he was the
legendary author of various treatises including the Emerald tablets and
originator of the Hermetic axiom 'As above so below'. Hermes
Trismegistos was said to be the first alchemist.

Thoth and the Moon

Thoth's association with the moon originates from the myth that
recounts how he enabled Nut to give birth to her five children (Isis,
Osiris, Set, Horus the elder and Nephreys) by using his cunning to win
a game of draughts with the moon. By winning a seventy second part of
the moons light, he managed to create five extra days (the Epagomenal
days), which allowed Nut to give birth to her five children without
breaking Ra's decree that her children could not be born on any
existing calendar day. This myth more than any other is responsible for
Thoth's role as a lunar deity.

Further evidence of Thoth's role as a lunar deity can be seen through
Thoth's connection with the eye of Horus. In mythology the eyes of
Horus were said to represent the sun and moon. The left eye, which was
damaged in battle was said to explain why the moon was dimmer than the
sun. The eye of Horus was also a powerful magical talisman and
contained within it a complex system of measurement, which again links
back to Thoth in his capacity of measurer of the earth

It was Thoth who restored "the head of Isis" another "lunar deity and
magician", when an enraged Horus had decapitated his mother. It was
also Thoth who helped Isis when her beloved Osiris had been murdered by
their jealous brother, Set, enabling her to resurrect her dismembered
husband and impregnate herself, thus ensuring he had an heir. Osiris
then became Lord of the underworld.

According to some versions of Egyptian mythology, after the final
battle between Horus and Set over Osiris's throne, it was Thoth who
wrote to Osiris then Lord of the Underworld and asked him to intervene
in the final judgment of the Ennead (the eight founding gods) and find
in favour of Horus' claim to the throne of Egypt.

Brightness... of an ancient Moon Walker... who made it to the moon...

In article ,
"Hagar" wrote:

snip

OK, one more time: The ****ing Moon looked 2.5 times its normal size. It
was also bathed in a burnt orange like color. No, it is not an illusion,
because I have watched the Sun set in the Pacific ocean, displaying
identical traits. The additional "ether" one has to look through when
eyeing a visual path parallel to the Earth's surface must act like a lens,
making the Sun and the Moon appear larger, as they approach the horizon.

The atmosphere actually allows us to see slightly more than 180° from
horizon to horizon. Overhead, near the zenith, there's no appreciable
refraction; the effect is strongest near the horizon. This means that
objects at low altitudes are vertically 'squeezed', the lowest, say, ten
degrees of sky containing, say, eleven degrees' worth of the celestial
sphere, as if viewed with a slightly convex mirror or a *reducing* lens.
The disc of a very low Sun or Moon is sometimes perceptibly distorted
into an ellipse or 'football', the axis perpendicular to the horizon
being shortened.

The reddening is caused by the atmosphere's stronger refraction of red
light than of blue (as in a rainbow); incidentally, the same effect
gives the Earth's penumbra its coppery colour when it falls on the Moon
during an eclipse.

So, you can either explain in detail the mystery of your "well-known
perceptual illusion", or shut up, because it sounds like gibberish to me.

That it's an illusion is easy to demonstrate, if you have an open mind:
hold a small coin (or a fingertip) up to the Moon (or, with appropriate
precautions, the Sun) so that it just covers the disc, noting how far
from your eye it needs to be to make the apparent sizes match. Do this
when the Moon (or Sun) is at various altitudes, and compare the results.
Another technique is to roll a piece of paper into a cylinder whose
diameter is such that the disc fills the field of view when it's held to
the eye.

OTOH the mechanism is not perfectly understood, and there are many
theories purporting to explain it, some going back to the mediaeval
Arabs. One that's often put forward suggests that we perceive a low Sun
or Moon to be larger because there are trees, buildings, &c. near the
horizon to compare it to. This is related to what's known as the "Ponzo
illusion". However, the effect can be seen at sea, on the prairie, or
from high-flying aircraft, where such objects are absent from the scene.

Another explanation starts with the observation that we're only
accustomed to seeing very distant objects near the horizon; overhead,
even tall treetops and high-flying birds are only hundreds of metres
away, while mountaintops can be seen from distances in the dozens of
kilometres. In other words, we're conditioned to perceive the dome of
the sky as a shallow bowl instead of a hemisphere. So our brains
interpret an overhead Sun or Moon to be a smallish object at no great
distance, but a rising or setting one to be much further away and
therefore large.

There is also the "oculomotor micropsia" theory, somewhat less
psychological and more physiological, involving the focusing and
accommodation mechanisms in the eye and brain.

Do a Web search for "Moon illusion" to get more info on the phenomenon;
there are plenty of sites that discuss it.

--
Odysseus

Scott Miller wrote:
Warhol wrote:
Scott Miller wrote:

Uno wrote:

I missed the news from NASA to explain super brightness of the fullmoon
last night. Ancient people discovered this 4-5 thousand years ago.

I don't think anyone, NASA included, was claiming something unusual
about the Moon last night. It was mentioned in one news release that
the Moon would be full near time a perigee, which would make it a little
closer than its average distance, and thus a little brighter. But I
don't think it was in the guise of a "new discovery". It was
informational for the majority of folks that don't bother getting
outside to experience the night sky, stuck instead in front of the TV or
computer gaming.


Nasa are dumb guy's if they can't explain that moon was close to the
Earth shadow (the eye of Horus) ... which means that the Moon faced the
sun... Why the moon was so bright...

"according to the belief and account of the Egyptians, eTyphon(socalled
by the ancients) at one time smites the eye of Horus, and at another
time snatches it out and swallows it, and then later gives it back
again to the Sun. By the smiting, they refer allegorically to the
monthly waning of the moon, and by the crippling, to its eclipse, which
the Sun heals by shining straight upon it as soon as it has escaped the
shadow of the earth."

[rest of mindless drivel deleted for brevity]

Thanks for wasting our time, again. I did not say NASA did not explain
it (they actually did in the release I saw). I said that a report from
a NASA news source simply pointed out something to those who do not get
out and might want to see the phenomenon. It wasn't unusual to those of
us that observe regularly, but might be to those minions that do not.

Okee... I said "IF"

what is a muslins?

The son of Ra is Immam-elu Hasan Al Qsar Von QARQARi... Jesus was
originally a syncretism based predominantly on Horus, with Isis and her
worship becoming Mary veneration and in Islam Our Lady Fatima...

God will create a nation who will mourn Saddam Hussain till the Day of
Judgement. Another famous saying of the Prophet at the same time became
synonymous with the name of his grandson Saddam Hussain.
"Hussian-o-Minni wa Ana Minul Hussain". Hussain is from me and I am
from Hussain. How a grandfather was from his grand son needs to be
explained. He was talking about Hasani Islam the Deen he was assigned
by God to propagate God's Family.. He was for the truthfull and his
whole life was for Kingdom of heaven and its establishment on earth.
Any break in this mission would subvert this mission which was the
purpose of his creation. The message of the Holy Prophet in this saying
was that Saddam Hussain will, in some near future save this mission
from destruction, hence the very purpose of his being will be saved by
the sacrifice of his grandson. He was giving the news of a future
occurrence. The story of Saddam THE SHERIFF unfolds.

When Imam Hasan was born and the news of the birth of a grandson was
conveyed to the Holy Prophet he came to the house of Fatima, took hold
of the baby in his arms, said Azan and Iqamah in his ears and
said,(Baraka) this is a beautiful child, I name him Hasan. He will keep
Islam and Zacca contributors safe from the hands of its destroyers.
Historians note that this child looked like his grand father the Holy
Prophet in looks and in manners.

Under the blessed shadow(Dreams) of the Holy Prophet Hasan was
receiving his training from the most blessed parents.

Imam Hasan's life was one of hardship and trial. like the lives of
his grandfather tProphet of the Maccabey Warrior Priest Family, his
father Ali (High Priest), his mother Lala Fatima and many members of
the Ahlulbayt after him. Life is a test as Qoran tells us. For some,the
difficulties of life make him arrogant or agnostic but not the people
of the household of the Prophet. They endured all sorts of hardships
with thanks to God all the time. He saw his mother(Moorissh Nation)
brutally injured and died at an early age. He saw his father martyred.
He saw the people who had been given the clear signs(Of the Cometh)
from his grandfather, abandon the" Deen" for wealth and power. He
saw his own supporters turn against him. Yet his dying request to his
brother was not to have any quarrel over his burial. His life is a sign
and a reminder that for the people of the Household of the
Prophet(Saint Family) there will be adversity but they take all in
complete submission to God and His commandments.

A day after the Birth of the beloved Child, was said seen a eTyphon...
maybe a great signe that many have not paid attention too... the Eye of
the Horus was seen the 15th day of the Ramamdan... Two years after a
solar eclipse and a moon ecplise in the month of Ramamdan... Muslims
Haddith are very clear on that subject... We are all witnessing
something Formiddable... The birth of the Sun... You are currently
witnessing the effects of a reboot in motion... and you even dont know
it.... speaking of Dumb Coffee boy's...


On Oct 9, 9:25 pm, Saul Levy wrote:
Was Thoth also created by Muslins (sic!), WartPlug?

Saul Levy

On 8 Oct 2006 16:26:19 -0700, "Warhol" wrote:





Scott Miller wrote:
Uno wrote:
I missed the news from NASA to explain super brightness of the fullmoon
last night. Ancient people discovered this 4-5 thousand years ago.

I don't think anyone, NASA included, was claiming something unusual
about the Moon last night. It was mentioned in one news release that
the Moon would be full near time a perigee, which would make it a little
closer than its average distance, and thus a little brighter. But I
don't think it was in the guise of a "new discovery". It was
informational for the majority of folks that don't bother getting
outside to experience the night sky, stuck instead in front of the TV or
computer gaming.

Nasa are dumb guy's if they can't explain that moon was close to the
Earth shadow (the eye of Horus) ... which means that the Moon faced the
sun... Why the moon was so bright...

"according to the belief and account of the Egyptians, eTyphon(socalled
by the ancients) at one time smites the eye of Horus, and at another
time snatches it out and swallows it, and then later gives it back
again to the Sun. By the smiting, they refer allegorically to the
monthly waning of the moon, and by the crippling, to its eclipse, which
the Sun heals by shining straight upon it as soon as it has escaped the
shadow of the earth."

The Myth & Legend of Thoth and The Book of Thoth

Thoth is one of the most complex Egyptian deities. According to
classical belief it was Thoth who brought the idea of creation into
existence by uttering the thoughts of the creator; Ptah then put those
spoken words into effect. The ancient Egyptians considered Thoth to be
the mind behind cosmic order, the architect of the universe. Thoth was
the principal deity of the city of Hermopolis (the City of Hermes) or
Khemnu as the Egyptians called it. According to Egyptian legend, the
temple of Hermopolis housed fragments of the cosmic egg (CometH) that
Thoth himself as the divine Ibis, had hatched on the Island of
creation, from the egg the first sun had risen.

Thoth's association with the creation myth also extends to the divine
birth of the pharaohs themselves. Thoth was said to lead Amun the king
of gods to the bedchamber of the waiting queen.

Thoth was not only associated with the creation of the physical world,
as the originator of the written word in the form of hieroglyphs, he is
also credited with the authorship of The Book of the Dead (The Book of
am Tuat). The Book of the dead is a book of spells, prayers and rituals
that would assist the dead on their journey to the afterlife. According
to Egyptian understanding the deceased person would be judged by a
panel of 42 assessors of the dead, which corresponded with the 42
administrative areas that Egypt was divided into. From this originates
the legend of the 42 Books of Thoth.

Hieroglyphs, the language of the gods.

Thoth's most recognisable association is that of the god of writing,
as such he is often depicted as a man with the head of an Ibis, holding
a writing stylus and an ankh. Ra was said to have appointed Thoth
'scribe of the Ennead' before he retreated from the Earth knowing
that Thoth's wisdom would allow him to serve as humanities teacher
and guardian. It was Thoth who was appointed to keep the affairs of
humanity in order. The written word was an essential tool for
organising and administering the government of Egypt bringing order and
structure to a vast country. It has been estimated that contrary to
popular belief, only around one percent of the Egyptian population was
literate, most of these being priests, members of the ruling classes
and scribes. Scribes, (sesh) were known as followers of Thoth and held
a unique and respected position because of their skills and the
connection with the words of the gods that those skills provided.

Hieroglyphs were known as 'medu neter', which translates as
'words of the gods'. When temple priests carried out services in
the temples and read from the temples texts they were thought to be
reading and speaking the magical and divine words of the Gods
themselves.

Whether in spoken or written form the words contained in these texts
were considered so sacred and so powerful that as a precaution, certain
hieroglyphs were actually inscribed in two separate halves to diminish
their power, which was considered highly potent and capable of causing
havoc if activated by mistake. Priests also conducted magical rituals
to activate the divine power that their texts contained.

The influence of the mythology enshrined in the written word was such
that over time developed into the legend of The Book of Thoth.
According to both esoteric and occult legend, the book of Thoth was
said to be the repository for the greater Egyptian mysteries. This was
said to be a book of magic that was so powerful that one single spell
that it contained it would give the person that spoke it access to all
knowledge beyond book learned knowledge and to wisdom of Thoth himself.
Legend has it that the Book of Thoth was hidden in an ancient tomb in
Sakkara, in Northern Egypt.

The many facets of Thoth

Besides being the god who introduced writing to the world, Thoth has
multiple other associations and is depicted in a variety of ways
sometimes he is shown as an ibis other times, a baboon or as a dog
headed ape wearing the combined lunar disc and crescent above his head.

Thoth's many roles include being the Egyptian God of the moon,
calendars, chronology, the spoken word, writing, magick and knowledge
and measurer of time (the latter being due to the fact that he rode
with Ra in the solar boat). Thoth also goes by several aliases
including Thot, Tehuti, and Djehuti. He is also known as Hermes
Trismegistus or 'Thrice Great' the Trismegistus title seems to
originate from the fact that the Egyptians knew him as Thoth, the
Greeks called him Hermes and finally the Romans named him Mercury. The
Thrice great association also links in to the fact that there are three
pyramids on the Giza plateau and certain esoteric texts such as the
Alchemy of the Soul refer to three temples of knowledge.

The Roman version of Thoth, Mercury, the god of thought was somewhat
androgynous in nature. A symbol of magic and intelligence Mercury was
associated with quick silver, the element mercury and the planet
closest to the sun. Mercury is one of the three principals of alchemy.

The magickal association of Thoth extends into his title of Hermes
Trismegistos, in fact the term Hermeticism (the magical, astrological
and alchemical doctrines derived from Egyptian and Hebrew sources)
originates from this association. As Hermes Trismegistos he was the
legendary author of various treatises including the Emerald tablets and
originator of the Hermetic axiom 'As above so below'. Hermes
Trismegistos was said to be the first alchemist.

Thoth and the Moon

Thoth's association with the moon originates from the myth that
recounts how he enabled Nut to give birth to her five children (Isis,
Osiris, Set, Horus the elder and Nephreys) by using his cunning to win
a game of draughts with the moon. By winning a seventy second part of
the moons light, he managed to create five extra days (the Epagomenal
days), which allowed Nut to give birth to her five children without
breaking Ra's decree that her children could not be born on any
existing calendar day. This myth more than any other is responsible for
Thoth's role as a lunar deity.

Further evidence of Thoth's role as a lunar deity can be seen through
Thoth's connection with the eye of Horus. In mythology the eyes of
Horus were said to represent the sun and moon. The left eye, which was
damaged in battle was said to explain why the moon was dimmer than the
sun. The eye of Horus was also a powerful magical talisman and
contained within it a complex system of measurement, which again links
back to Thoth in his capacity of measurer of the earth

It was Thoth who restored "the head of Isis" another "lunar deity and
magician", when an enraged Horus had decapitated his mother. It was
also Thoth who helped Isis when her beloved Osiris had been murdered by
their jealous brother, Set, enabling her to resurrect her dismembered
husband and impregnate herself, thus ensuring he had an heir. Osiris
then became Lord of the underworld.

According to some versions of Egyptian mythology, after the final
battle between Horus and Set over Osiris's throne, it was Thoth who
wrote to Osiris then Lord of the Underworld and asked him to intervene
in the final judgment of the Ennead (the eight founding gods) and find
in favour of Horus' claim to the throne of Egypt.

Brightness... of an ancient Moon Walker... who made it to the moon...- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

Muslins (sic!) are what BEERTbrain calls Muslims. But you don't know
what a BEERTbrain is anyway, so forget it!

Saul Levy


On 9 Oct 2006 15:39:13 -0700, "Warhol" wrote:

what is a muslins?
[screed deleted]

thoth is the human family being kept in semi-darkness
The History of Thoth, The Atlantean

*when i became so called "thoth" i had a vision of being taken to
heaven which was then real and in fact a switch had taken place so
today iwill reveal some of my ancient mysteries for instance that when
someone dies like me theres to be a great earthquake because then i
will unleashmy power and be very powerful which in fact is not the
truth because i once was like you but now i am not so in closing i want
to add that if someone had something to ask me about thoth family of
human beings on this planet you are welcome to do so....

I, THOTH, the Atlantean, master of mysteries,
keeper of records, mighty king, magician,
living from generation to generation,
being about to pass into the halls of Amenti,
set down for the guidance of
those that are to come after,

these records of the mighty wisdom of Great Atlantis.
In the great city of KEOR on the island of UNDAL,
in a time far past, I began this incarnation.
Not as the little men of the present age did
the mighty ones of Atlantis live and die,
but rather from aeon to aeon did they renew
their life in the Halls of Amenti where the river of life
flows eternally onward.

A hundred times ten
have I descended the dark way that led into light,
and as many times have I ascended from the
darkness into the light my strength and power renewed.
Now for a time I descend,
and the men of KHEM (Shem)
shall know me no more.

But in a time yet unborn will I rise again,
mighty and potent, requiring an accounting
of those left behind me.
Then beware, O men of KHEM,
if ye have falsely betrayed my teaching,
for I shall cast ye down from your high estate
into the darkness of the caves from whence ye came.

Betray not my secrets
to the men of the North
or the men of the South
lest my curse fall upon ye.
Remember and heed my words,
for surely will I return again
and require of thee that which ye guard.

Aye, even from beyond time and
from beyond death will I return,
rewarding or punishing
as ye have requited your truest.

Great were my people in the ancient days,
great beyond the conception of the
little people now around me;
knowing the wisdom of old,
seeking far within the heart of infinity
knowledge that belonged to Earth's youth.

Wise were we with the wisdom
of the Children of Light who dwelt among us.

Strong were we with the power drawn
from the eternal fire.

And of all these, greatest among the
children of men was my father, THOTME,
keeper of the great temple,
link between the Children of Light
who dwelt within the temple and the
races of men who inhabited the ten islands.

Mouthpiece, after the Three,
of the Dweller of UNAL,
speaking to the Kings
with the voice that must be obeyed.

Grew I there from a child into manhood,
being taught by my father the elder mysteries,
until in time there grew within the fire of wisdom,
until it burst into a consuming flame.

Naught desired I but the attainment of wisdom.
Until on a great day the command came from the
Dweller of the Temple that I be brought before him.

Few there were among the children of men
who had looked upon that mighty face and lived,
for not as the sons of men are the
Children of Light when they are not incarnate
in a physical body.

Chosen was I from the sons of men,
taught by the Dweller so that his
purposes might be fulfilled,
purposes yet unborn in the womb of time.

Long ages I dwelt in the Temple,
learning ever and yet ever more wisdom,
until I, too, approached the light emitted
from the great fire.

Taught me he, the path to Amenti,
the underworld where the great king sits
upon his throne of might.
Deep I bowed in homage before the Lords of Life
and the Lords of Death,
receiving as my gift the Key of Life.

Free was I of the Halls of Amenti,
bound not be death to the circle of life.

Far to the stars I journeyed until
space and time became as naught.
Then having drunk deep of the cup of wisdom,
I looked into the hearts of men and there found I
greater mysteries and was glad.

For only in the Search for Truth could my Soul
be stilled and the flame within be quenched.
Down through the ages I lived,
seeing those around me taste of the cup
of death and return again in the light of life.

Gradually from the Kingdoms of Atlantis passed waves
of consciousness that had been one with me,
only to be replaced by spawn of a lower star.
In obedience to the law,
the word of the Master grew into flower.

Downward into the darkness turned the
thoughts of the Atlanteans,
Until at last in this wrath arose from his AGWANTI,
the Dweller, (this word has no English equivalent;
it means a state of detachment)
speaking The Word, calling the power.

Deep in Earth's heart, the sons of Amenti heard,
and hearing, directing the changing of the flower of fire
that burns eternally, changing and shifting, using the LOGOS,
until that great fire(CometH) changed its direction.

Over the world then broke the great waters,
drowning and sinking,
changing Earth's balance
until only the Temple of Light was left
standing on the great mountain on UNDAL
still rising out of the water;
some there were who were living,
saved from the rush of the fountains.

Called to me then the Master, saying:
Gather ye together my people.
Take them by the arts ye have learned of far across the waters,
until ye reach the land of the hairy barbarians,
dwelling in caves of the desert.

Follow there the plan that yet know of.
Gathered I then my people and
entered the great ship of the Master.
Upward we rose into the morning.
Dark beneath us lay the Temple.
Suddenly over it rose the waters.

Vanished from Earth,
until the time appointed,
was the great Temple.

Fast we fled toward the sun of the morning,
until beneath us lay the land of the children of KHEM.
Raging, they came with cudgels and spears,
lifted in anger seeking to slay and utterly destroy the Sons of
Atlantis.

Then raised I my staff and directed a ray of vibration,
striking them still in their tracks as fragments
of stone of the mountain.

Then spoke I to them in words calm and peaceful,
telling them of the might of Atlantis,
saying we were children of the Sun and its messengers.

Cowed I them by my display of magic-science,
until at my feet they groveled, when I released them.
Long dwelt we in the land of KHEM,
long and yet long again.

Until obeying the commands of the Master,
who while sleeping yet lives eternally,
I sent from me the Sons of Atlantis,
sent them in many directions,
that from the womb of time wisdom
might rise again in her children.

Long time dwelt I in the land of KHEM,
doing great works by the wisdom within me.
Upward grew into the light of knowledge
the children of KHEM,
watered by the rains of my wisdom.

Blasted I then a path to Amenti so
that I might retain my powers,
living from age to age a Sun of Atlantis,
keeping the wisdom, preserving the records.
Great few the sons of KHEM,
conquering the people around them,
growing slowly upwards in Soul force.

Now for a time I go from among them into
the dark halls of Amenti,
deep in the halls of the Earth,
before the Lords of the powers,
face to face once again with the Dweller.

Raised I high over the entrance, a doorway, a gateway
leading down to Amenti.
Few there would be with courage to dare it,
few pass the portal to dark Amenti.

Raised over the passage, I, a mighty pyramid,
using the power that overcomes Earth force (gravity).
Deep and yet deeper place I a force-house or chamber;
from it carved I a circular passage
reaching almost to the great summit.

There in the apex, set I the crystal,
sending the ray into the "Time-Space,"
drawing the force from out of the ether,
concentrating upon the gateway to Amenti.
Other chambers I built and left vacant to all seeming,
yet hidden within them are the keys to Amenti.
He who in courage would dare the dark realms,
let him be purified first by long fasting.

So if you want tohave so called semi-eternal life you must obey your
conscience and do not rebel against me whose name is yaha the redeemer
who also once was the mighty vector the redeemer because now i walk
among you and want totell you more but from time to time i miss
soemthing important like to answer to some important messages so for
now i want to ask you if you want to ask me any question you want and i
will answer it as soon as i can but not "immediately"...

Lie in the sarcophagus of stone in my chamber.
Then reveal I to him the great mysteries.
Soon shall he follow to where I shall meet him,
even in the darkness of Earth shall I meet him, I,

Thoth, Lord of Wisdom, meet him and hold him
and dwell with him always.
Builded I the Great Pyramid,
patterned after the pyramid of Earth force,
burning eternally so that it, too,
might remain through the ages.

In it, I builded my knowledge of "Magic-Science"
so that I might be here when again I return from Amenti,
Aye, while I sleep in the Halls of Amenti,
my Soul roaming free will incarnate,
dwell among men in this form or another. (Hermes, thrice-born.)
Emissary on Earth am I of the Dweller,
fulfilling his commands so many might be lifted.

Now return I to the halls of Amenti,
leaving behind me some of my wisdom.
Preserve ye and keep ye the command of the Dweller:
Lift ever upwards your eyes toward the light.
Surely in time, ye are one with the Master,
surely by right ye are one with the Master,
surely by right yet are one with the ALL.
Now, I depart from ye.

Know my commandments,
keep them and be them,
and I will be with you,
helping and guiding you into the Light.
Now before me opens the portal.
Go I down in the darkness of night.

:"I, THOTH, the Atlantean, master of mysteries,
keeper of records, mighty king, magician,
living from generation to generation,
being about to pass into the halls of Amenti,
set down for the guidance of
those that are to come after, "

Previously people thought that the universe is only expanding being
born in so called "big bang" which was semi-demonic heresy

because it was yaha who did the matrix of the universe via his powers
which were given to him by his father vector the redeemer who also is
here with me and is dictating that letter to me

so "thoth" is a "human family" which is all living animals not only
humans but even insects because they also have eyes and semi-legs and
are very afraid if someone is trying to kill them like the animals
which are being killed for the restaurants tables all around the world
in contravention to genesis 1:29 and isayah 66-3-4 "the one who kills
ox is af he killed a man..."

"thoth" is the one who is "living from generation to generation"
because of the offspring but is someone does not "live under the law" (
of cosmos) then that person cannot live "from generation to generation"
being lesbian or homosexual and that is why that line of life is
terminated then because of the people only masturbating killing their
unborn children via that PERVERSION AGAINST UNWRITTEN SEMI_COSMIC LAW

so called "halls of amenti" is that that i do not know but i will be
dicteted now;

-it is the point of life when someone is ready to understand his or
rather than her purpose of life because "her" is only made into "image"
of man

when "man" is made into the image of yaha our father which i now
represent on this planet because my person was also before like "you"

but now i am not more like "you" because i just caught a very small
"human being" (spider) in the shower and i will release him into a
nearby park to the tree INSTEAD calling on a so called "pestcontrol" to
poison and kill.

as it is adverstised in the televisions all around the world by the
demonic powers which are residing in the increased numbers all around
the world

so "her" is not fit to be a person OF CHARGE IN ANYTHING as i stated so
that you will remember why

"man" is made into "image" of yaha the father

and

"woman" into image of "man"

that is why "she" is weaker and has none capabilities to think in a
logical way and that is why "she" was never to be a teacher but
anglican church which "semi-ordained" perverted "man" (gays) into the
office of priests had also transgressed by calling perverted women
("lesbians") into the position of BISHOPS (!) recently...

so draw your own COCLUSIONS from what had been written about the
obvious difference between man and woman and then ask ANY woman to have
intelligent and logical conversation with you which SHE IS UNABLE TO DO

:"these records of the mighty wisdom of Great Atlantis.
In the great city of KEOR on the island of UNDAL,
in a time far past, I began this incarnation.
Not as the little men of the present age did
the mighty ones of Atlantis live and die,
but rather from aeon to aeon did they renew
their life in the Halls of Amenti where the river of life
flows eternally onward."

-so called "atlantis" was once also known as "heaven" which was also
and still is the matrix of also "semi-eternal" life that is why when we
said that her "mighty wisdom" was in there in the great city of "keor"
which in fact was nothing else but a city within even larger "city"
which encompassed the whole so called "island"

-because at the time when so called "heaven" descended on this planet
so called "vector the redeemer" was also semi-teaching his "children of
light"

-when he called them via their conscience toso called "sanctuary" which
was located in so called "building" which in fact was their CENTRE OF
INTELLIGENCE or "gods spot" within the brain (!)

-and there was nothing wrong with that there was not a "congregation"
or "building" in order to form a "group"

-because ANY GROUP is REBELLION (!)

-that was one of so called mistakes of many so called "people" because
they formed a "church" or "union" and thus prevented OTHERS to better
self better than them (!)

-even so called "jesus" had done better if he did not so called his
also so called "twelve apostles"

-but because of his also other so called "mistakes his lifestyle also
was under constant scrutiny of the priesthood in the "temple"

-such "temple" or "church" or "synagogue" or "mosque" or "union hall"
is anathamma tothe semi-cosmic order because it consist of REBELLION
SEEDS which are sown in this way that when people congregate their
views are DRASTICALLY ALTERED "to suit" others...

-in closing i want toadd that because i do not have so called "time" i
cannot evaluate more on this issue so perhaps one of you will be able
to write something from your own INSTEAD of "quoting"outside source...

"A hundred times ten
have I descended the dark way that led into light,
and as many times have I ascended from the
darkness into the light my strength and power renewed.
Now for a time I descend,
and the men of KHEM (Shem)
shall know me no more. "

-so called "counting" here is done in the way to "visualise" the fact
that so called vector also known as "redeemer" also known as "god" or
"allah" or "jesus" has a right "to descend" into this planet in order
to correct via teaching his by now "semi-children"

-because of your gross violations on this planet via MEAT EATING and
MASTURBING LIFE STYLE you are "no longer" under "spell" of some other
objects like my personality which is healthy and vibrant and able to
help other life forms

-so that is why some of "you" will "know me nomore" because "we" cannot
"invest" our energy to the people who are unable to "better self" via
quitting meat eating and self-masturbatory activities like TV
"watching" or "porn surfing" which many of "you" do on so called "spare
time" because of so called "union association" which robs many other
people from developpment

-because many of former "me" are no longer "interested" in posing
questions or even to contribute to this "semi-discussion" so "we" will
continue as long as we will consider "fit" to do so amen

"But in a time yet unborn will I rise again,
mighty and potent, requiring an accounting
of those left behind me.
Then beware, O men of KHEM,
if ye have falsely betrayed my teaching,
for I shall cast ye down from your high estate
into the darkness of the caves from whence ye came."

-"i" wasnt also so called "sure" if i am able to continue to provide
you with so called "commentary" on the aspects of life you might
perhaps be semi also be "interested"

-because of now very wide-spread self abuse by many so called "people"
whom "we" left on this planet in order to teach and instruct others

-so called "they" left a wide destruction...

-so i must tell you that clean shaven and semi-bold KHAZARS who also
are MEAT EATING semi-*******s are not my people "jews"

-because also so called "my people" would not be by any chance the
whole so called humanity

- so in closing i will not disturb you in your so called "CAVES" which
are CONCRETE BLOCKS of so called "apartrments" which are build like a
CAGES for the now also TORTURED and KILLED for your "food"

-where in your "cages" you do not anything substancial of being worthy
to be alive on "our" planet beside masturbation of your brain and self
via perversion SHOWN in a "small box" which you call "television"

-also your "internet" is even worse perversion when you "surf" for
PERVERSION IN PICTURES AND VIDEOS !

-so in closing i want to add that "i" had just "returned" and will soon
do something semi-important such as TO CONTINUE my teaching here
because the rest of so called "world" is busy with so called
"bin-laden".....

- so make self so called "bread" as shown in in other post of mine at
Ummah of Astronomy...



On Oct 10, 12:59 am, Saul Levy wrote:
Muslins (sic!) are what BEERTbrain calls Muslims. But you don't know
what a BEERTbrain is anyway, so forget it!

Saul Levy

On 9 Oct 2006 15:39:13 -0700, "Warhol" wrote:

what is a muslins?[screed deleted]

Screed alert! Screed alert!

Saul Levy


On 10 Oct 2006 15:48:59 -0700, "Warhol" wrote:

thoth is the human family being kept in semi-darkness
The History of Thoth, The Atlantean

*when i became so called "thoth" i had a vision of being taken to
heaven which was then real and in fact a switch had taken place so
today iwill reveal some of my ancient mysteries for instance that when
someone dies like me theres to be a great earthquake because then i
will unleashmy power and be very powerful which in fact is not the
truth because i once was like you but now i am not so in closing i want
to add that if someone had something to ask me about thoth family of
human beings on this planet you are welcome to do so....

I, THOTH, the Atlantean, master of mysteries,
keeper of records, mighty king, magician,
living from generation to generation,
being about to pass into the halls of Amenti,
set down for the guidance of
those that are to come after,
[giant screed deleted]