Electrogravitics is Reality!

It is time to take the burgeoning science of ELECTROGRAVITICS and put
it to use. JNL Labs has working models. It has demonstrated not only
the feasibility of electrogravitics but has done successful experiments
proving it!

See: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/advprop.htm


With this much 'proven' capability it is time for all of our Aircraft,
Commercial and Military, to put Electrogravitics to use.


tomcat

Correction: it is JLN labs, vice JNL.

Also, you may find the Home page interesting as well.

See: http://jnaudin.free.fr/


Electrogravitics, rumored to be on the B-2 Bomber, is now shown to be a
reality. Whether or not the B-2 Stealth Bomber has it is open to
question. But JLN Labs has pretty much proven it exists and can be
used.


tomcat

On 22 Apr 2006 15:23:53 -0700, "tomcat" wrote:

It is time to take the burgeoning science of ELECTROGRAVITICS and put
it to use. JNL Labs has working models. It has demonstrated not only
the feasibility of electrogravitics but has done successful experiments
proving it!

See: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/advprop.htm


With this much 'proven' capability it is time for all of our Aircraft,
Commercial and Military, to put Electrogravitics to use.

IF it work's and does as you claim, all fingers crossed that it'll be
developed and lead to Star Wars *repulsors*.


--

Christopher

Christopher wrote:
On 22 Apr 2006 15:23:53 -0700, "tomcat" wrote:

It is time to take the burgeoning science of ELECTROGRAVITICS and put
it to use. JNL Labs has working models. It has demonstrated not only
the feasibility of electrogravitics but has done successful experiments
proving it!

See: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/advprop.htm


With this much 'proven' capability it is time for all of our Aircraft,
Commercial and Military, to put Electrogravitics to use.

IF it work's and does as you claim, all fingers crossed that it'll be
developed and lead to Star Wars *repulsors*.


--

Christopher




Electrogravitics is applied in the JLN Labs by using aluminum foil.
The addition of conducting surfaces should be inexpensive. Most
aircraft have aluminum skin already.

Aircraft generate excess electricity. Their engines, jet or
reciprocating, are so powerful that even a tiny percentage tapped by a
generator yields a lot of electricity.

Electrogravitics could be used as a speed and lift booster with minor
alterations in current aircraft, both large and small.

It would certainly have applications for spacecraft as well. It is
capable of moving airflow and thus may be able to push air away from a
spacecraft's skin as well as assist in propelling it forward. This
needs to be looked into.


tomcat

On 23 Apr 2006 03:41:33 -0700, "tomcat" wrote:


Christopher wrote:
On 22 Apr 2006 15:23:53 -0700, "tomcat" wrote:

It is time to take the burgeoning science of ELECTROGRAVITICS and put
it to use. JNL Labs has working models. It has demonstrated not only
the feasibility of electrogravitics but has done successful experiments
proving it!

See: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/advprop.htm


With this much 'proven' capability it is time for all of our Aircraft,
Commercial and Military, to put Electrogravitics to use.

IF it work's and does as you claim, all fingers crossed that it'll be
developed and lead to Star Wars *repulsors*.


--

Christopher




Electrogravitics is applied in the JLN Labs by using aluminum foil.
The addition of conducting surfaces should be inexpensive. Most
aircraft have aluminum skin already.

Aircraft generate excess electricity. Their engines, jet or
reciprocating, are so powerful that even a tiny percentage tapped by a
generator yields a lot of electricity.

Electrogravitics could be used as a speed and lift booster with minor
alterations in current aircraft, both large and small.

It would certainly have applications for spacecraft as well. It is
capable of moving airflow and thus may be able to push air away from a
spacecraft's skin as well as assist in propelling it forward. This
needs to be looked into.

Good, look's like in a hundred years we'll have rudimentary craft that
will be something like the space craft in Star Wars, a pity I'll be
long dead by then.

--

Christopher

I larn'd in school in my exterior calculus course using Misner Thorne
and Wheeler's book GRAVITATION that the 2-form for Lorenz force is
distinctly different than the stress-energy tensor responsible for
telling how space curves, so these are two quite distinct modes of
operation - so, these assertions in this thread seem a little ludicrous
to me!

Sure, you can pile on the electromagnetic energy and affect the
stress-energy of a region of space, but you're far better off piling on
the mass given the constraints of things - again, what is being said
here makes no real sense to me.

On 23 Apr 2006 09:03:00 -0700, "William Mook"
wrote:

I larn'd in school in my exterior calculus course using Misner Thorne
and Wheeler's book GRAVITATION that the 2-form for Lorenz force is
distinctly different than the stress-energy tensor responsible for
telling how space curves, so these are two quite distinct modes of
operation - so, these assertions in this thread seem a little ludicrous
to me!

Sure, you can pile on the electromagnetic energy and affect the
stress-energy of a region of space, but you're far better off piling on
the mass given the constraints of things - again, what is being said
here makes no real sense to me.

Best tell Tomcat that, as he is the genius. ;-)


--

Christopher

William Mook wrote:
I larn'd in school in my exterior calculus course using Misner Thorne
and Wheeler's book GRAVITATION that the 2-form for Lorenz force is
distinctly different than the stress-energy tensor responsible for
telling how space curves, so these are two quite distinct modes of
operation - so, these assertions in this thread seem a little ludicrous
to me!

Sure, you can pile on the electromagnetic energy and affect the
stress-energy of a region of space, but you're far better off piling on
the mass given the constraints of things - again, what is being said
here makes no real sense to me.

W. Mook is correct in his assertion that using the Lorentz force
without taking
into account the stress energy tensor is "ludicrous", yet I wouldn't
want to discredit
the intent of the post by discrediting the inventor's "working models"
as an "example"
of "fuelless" technology. It is truly a revolutionary concept that
causes us to think
about the energy dependency and international manipulation taking
place, whose
proponents wish to *dictate* energy policy to the *world*.

International governments are *hot on the heels* of any type of this
technology
making it into the mainstream. Why? Because this type of technology
would replace
our *antiquated* highway civilizations with *flying cars* rather than
*gas guzzlers*.
My question is this: If the technology that steers the most modern form
of automobile
that we have on the planet cannot adapt to this revolutionary
technology, then what
good is a college education going to do for anybody? What good can any
society do
for anybody? Will the energy establishments always be interested only
in boxing out
manipulative technologies for *earth bound* colonies?

Ah, but here is the catch: Technology should always be from the *top
down*, but what
is the *top down* if those entities *with the power* would never speak
to us until now?
Will the *bottom up* always be the *initiator* of *top down*
incrementalism? As I have
stated in an earlier post, "What Would NASA do with (298 million)(30
Pieces of Silver)?
because if Populism wins elections, so would the upwardly (and
outwardly) mobile
win employment in a quantum energized economy!"

Tomcat told me to watch out for the "green glow", and I think he was
right on point with
his assertion, but also in addition to *black projects* that are
already using this
technology! Ever heard of area 51? Well, we're still waiting to escape
from our
dependency on foreign oil and domestic environmentalism! If no one can
help us, then,
by God, we'll do it ourselves!

"It's time to change Derbies for Stetsons and kick some mule butt!"

Yes, Mr. Mook, the stress energy tensor can tell us how to perform
"teleportation"
rather than subluminal "transportation", so now the question comes down
to "who wants
to go verses who wants to stay?" (We'll leave that to those
"earthlings" who have already
decided that we didn't evolve here, but were a *genetic experiment* of
sorts, and may
or may not wish to return to the other *star*. Yeah, its really a
spiritual battle between
the "forces of darkness" (stay underground during the next pole shift?)
and the forces of
light (let's get out of here, -an exercise in blood resonance that
dripped on the mercy
seat!).

Can we "press on" until that day by changing our financial dependency
to indepence
by mining the asteroids? Ask on, because after 7 years on the internet
under the heading
"Asteroid Mining Technology" (at the top of the google search engine),
I have recieved no
more than about 5 really, truly interested people, all of which I have
never heard from
again (because, I think the issue here, really, is the affordability of
earth-to-orbit
nuclear pulse technology) as Mr. Mook has so eloquently ascertained in
his posts. Yet
no one really *important* in the energy industry has recognized that
there is a type of
*non-lethal* nuclear pulse technology that would shrink the EMP area to
under 50 miles!
It's suprising to me that *somebody like* Elon Musk isn't on top of
this technology!

Why not forget earth-to-orbit nuclear pulse propulsion technology and
just *teleport* off
the planet?, one might ask. Maybe because all that would be left are a
conglomorate of
international bankers with empty pockets, ready for Armageddon, or
perhaps the self-
absorbed adults who'd rather be *entertained* by the swill of junk on
the airwaves, or
maybe those whose *fire by night and smoke by day is someone else's
fall from grace
at the altar of legalism*. Whatever they might decide is completely
irrelevent to what
is being done, at least in spirit, and at most in *real technology*

Christopher wrote:
On 23 Apr 2006 03:41:33 -0700, "tomcat" wrote:


Christopher wrote:
On 22 Apr 2006 15:23:53 -0700, "tomcat" wrote:

It is time to take the burgeoning science of ELECTROGRAVITICS and put
it to use. JNL Labs has working models. It has demonstrated not only
the feasibility of electrogravitics but has done successful experiments
proving it!

See: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/advprop.htm


With this much 'proven' capability it is time for all of our Aircraft,
Commercial and Military, to put Electrogravitics to use.

IF it work's and does as you claim, all fingers crossed that it'll be
developed and lead to Star Wars *repulsors*.


--

Christopher




Electrogravitics is applied in the JLN Labs by using aluminum foil.
The addition of conducting surfaces should be inexpensive. Most
aircraft have aluminum skin already.

Aircraft generate excess electricity. Their engines, jet or
reciprocating, are so powerful that even a tiny percentage tapped by a
generator yields a lot of electricity.

Electrogravitics could be used as a speed and lift booster with minor
alterations in current aircraft, both large and small.

It would certainly have applications for spacecraft as well. It is
capable of moving airflow and thus may be able to push air away from a
spacecraft's skin as well as assist in propelling it forward. This
needs to be looked into.

Good, look's like in a hundred years we'll have rudimentary craft that
will be something like the space craft in Star Wars, a pity I'll be
long dead by then.

--

Christopher





I believe, Christopher, that the United States can build Planetary
Spaceships within the next 10 years. With He-3 sitting around on the
Moon, worth about 3 Billion Dollars a ton, I can't understand waiting 2
or 3 decades to do what can be done very quickly -- if we try.

If a Planetary Spaceship were to be reconditioned on the Moon, it could
be beefed up with considerable additional room, supplies, with titanium
and aluminum additions, not to even mention refilling it's Liquid
Hydrogen and Liquid Oxygen tanks. The Moon's gravity is 1/6th the
Earths. So, refitting and blast off shouldn't take much of the total
fuel supply, unlike Earth where most of the fuel is consumed just
escaping Earth's powerful gravity.

Electrogravitics has an important place in all this. It is yet another
booster for such a craft as well as the possibility of ion engines.
Ion engines are a fully developed technology today, with several of our
probes having successfully used it.

Getting back to electrogravitics, here is a site that you should find
interesting.

See: http://www.soteria.com/


Yes, I believe using electrogravitics with current rocket capability
could put us into the asteroids, moons, and planets within 10 years --
if we try.


tomcat

Dogone_Tribe_from_Sirus_B wrote:
W. Mook is correct in his assertion that using the Lorentz force
without taking
into account the stress energy tensor is "ludicrous", yet I wouldn't
want to discredit
the intent of the post by discrediting the inventor's "working models"
as an "example"
of "fuelless" technology. It is truly a revolutionary concept that
causes us to think
about the energy dependency and international manipulation taking
place, whose
proponents wish to *dictate* energy policy to the *world*.


We are dealing here with the gap between the theoretical and
experimental methods. The 'theoretical' often has to catch up to the
'experimental'. Electrogravitic works. It has been proven to work.


International governments are *hot on the heels* of any type of this
technology
making it into the mainstream. Why? Because this type of technology
would replace
our *antiquated* highway civilizations with *flying cars* rather than
*gas guzzlers*.
My question is this: If the technology that steers the most modern form
of automobile
that we have on the planet cannot adapt to this revolutionary
technology, then what
good is a college education going to do for anybody? What good can any
society do
for anybody? Will the energy establishments always be interested only
in boxing out
manipulative technologies for *earth bound* colonies?


The "energy establishments" are looking at tabulated money figures,
profit and loss statements. They are interested in satisfying
stockholders, not the countries or populations of those countries.
Because of this they are sometimes the opponents of technology change.


Ah, but here is the catch: Technology should always be from the *top
down*, but what
is the *top down* if those entities *with the power* would never speak
to us until now?
Will the *bottom up* always be the *initiator* of *top down*
incrementalism? As I have
stated in an earlier post, "What Would NASA do with (298 million)(30
Pieces of Silver)?
because if Populism wins elections, so would the upwardly (and
outwardly) mobile
win employment in a quantum energized economy!"

A "quantum energized" economy should produce so much material wealth
that transitional change would amount to pennies compared to it's
benefits. Holding back on technology that works, for either
theoretical or economic reasons, doesn't make sense.


Tomcat told me to watch out for the "green glow", and I think he was
right on point with
his assertion, but also in addition to *black projects* that are
already using this
technology! Ever heard of area 51? Well, we're still waiting to escape
from our
dependency on foreign oil and domestic environmentalism! If no one can
help us, then,
by God, we'll do it ourselves!


The oil problem is dominated by the corporations that have an enormous
investment in distributing and selling oil products. The quantity of
energy needed to run our society, however, has gone beyond what a
diminishing supply of world oil can provide. This 'fact' is the
driving force behind rapidly increasing prices for gasoline, not simply
Middle East politics. It is time for change. Changing to He-3 and
hydrogen energy makes a lot of sense, as well as other alternative
energy sources.


"It's time to change Derbies for Stetsons and kick some mule butt!"


When it comes to energy, yes, it is time for change. And,
electrogravitics should be added to our aircraft immediately.


Yes, Mr. Mook, the stress energy tensor can tell us how to perform
"teleportation"
rather than subluminal "transportation", so now the question comes down
to "who wants
to go verses who wants to stay?" (We'll leave that to those
"earthlings" who have already
decided that we didn't evolve here, but were a *genetic experiment* of
sorts, and may
or may not wish to return to the other *star*. Yeah, its really a
spiritual battle between
the "forces of darkness" (stay underground during the next pole shift?)
and the forces of
light (let's get out of here, -an exercise in blood resonance that
dripped on the mercy
seat!).


It is difficult to explain why there are humanoids on Mars. See:
http://stardot.blogspot.com/


Can we "press on" until that day by changing our financial dependency
to indepence
by mining the asteroids? Ask on, because after 7 years on the internet
under the heading
"Asteroid Mining Technology" (at the top of the google search engine),
I have recieved no
more than about 5 really, truly interested people, all of which I have
never heard from
again (because, I think the issue here, really, is the affordability of
earth-to-orbit
nuclear pulse technology) as Mr. Mook has so eloquently ascertained in
his posts. Yet
no one really *important* in the energy industry has recognized that
there is a type of
*non-lethal* nuclear pulse technology that would shrink the EMP area to
under 50 miles!
It's suprising to me that *somebody like* Elon Musk isn't on top of
this technology!


Moons and asteroids are loaded with resources for a highly industrial
economy. He-3, at 3 billion dollars a ton, is the first resource
valuable enough to immediately justify the expense of rocketships.


Why not forget earth-to-orbit nuclear pulse propulsion technology and
just *teleport* off
the planet?, one might ask. Maybe because all that would be left are a
conglomorate of
international bankers with empty pockets, ready for Armageddon, or
perhaps the self-
absorbed adults who'd rather be *entertained* by the swill of junk on
the airwaves, or
maybe those whose *fire by night and smoke by day is someone else's
fall from grace
at the altar of legalism*. Whatever they might decide is completely
irrelevent to what
is being done, at least in spirit, and at most in *real technology*


We have the technology today to build a waverider capable of escape
velocity. The use of Thiokol SRBs as RATO (Rocket Assisted Take Off)
units and 'electrogravitic' to smooth airflow and increase thrust are a
couple of things that might make the transition to Outer Space a ten
year goal, not a century long ordeal.


tomcat