Apollo 13 reentry - pressure suits?

Pat Flannery wrote in
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Remember at the time how we were so concerned that our astronauts were
going to be endangered by that clunky, primitive Soviet Soyuz capsule?
That the Soviets would no doubt try to steal the secrets of our superbly
safe Apollo capsule?
Funny how stuff like that tends to work out, isn't it? ;-)

And of course, the Soyuz never killed anyone, did it? The Apollo ASTP
mishap was at least caused by a colossal crew error.

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On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:38:21 -0600, Pat Flannery
wrote:

Remember at the time how we were so concerned that our astronauts were
going to be endangered by that clunky, primitive Soviet Soyuz capsule?
That the Soviets would no doubt try to steal the secrets of our superbly
safe Apollo capsule?

....And then again, keep in mind that the Soviets stripped that Soyuz
19 down to the bare minimum when it came to ship systems. Everything
that they felt was advanced or a state secret was left at home. I'm
still trying to get a comparative list of differences between a
standard "stock" Soyuz and the ASTP version, as it just might point to
just how dangerous that mission was, at least for the Soyuz crew.

Funny how stuff like that tends to work out, isn't it? ;-)

....Yeah, especially how that mission is easily the event that started
the Cold War towards a thawing process without having to resort to
thermonuclear heat.

OM

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Jorge R. Frank wrote:

And of course, the Soyuz never killed anyone, did it? The Apollo ASTP
mishap was at least caused by a colossal crew error.



At the moment the dead astronaut score is Russia 4, United States either
14 or 17, depending if you count Apollo 1.
The Soviets had some mighty close calls with Soyuz, but either luck or
an inherently tough and forgiving spacecraft design gets it passengers
home alive consistently, if some times a bit bruised from a ballistic
reentry, or sans a few teeth from coming into the atmosphere wrong end
first.
Of course, Mir was another matter entirely in the safety department.
What I was pointing out is something I've noted in my own life- make fun
of someone and denigrate them, and in very short order you will find
that you yourself are doing something very similar to what they did, as
if to teach you a lesson.
It's about the closest thing I've got to religion. :-)

Pat

OM wrote:

...Yeah, especially how that mission is easily the event that started
the Cold War towards a thawing process without having to resort to
thermonuclear heat.



Yeah, that was one very odd Soyuz variant- different solar arrays, way
different antennae layout. Was part of the stripping due to weight
constraints to reach the orbit they had to to dock with Apollo?
You do know the part the movie "Marooned" played in that whole thing,
don't you?

Pat

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Pat Flannery wrote:

What I was pointing out is something I've noted in my own life- make fun
of someone and denigrate them, and in very short order you will find
that you yourself are doing something very similar to what they did, as
if to teach you a lesson.
It's about the closest thing I've got to religion. :-)

Google "karma" sometime when you're bored . . . ;-)

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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 07:05:00 -0600, Pat Flannery
wrote:

Yeah, that was one very odd Soyuz variant- different solar arrays, way
different antennae layout. Was part of the stripping due to weight
constraints to reach the orbit they had to to dock with Apollo?

....Nope. All of the strip-down was to keep Soviet technology out of
the hands of us evil Capitalists. And most, if not all of the orbital
changes were conducted by Apollo.

You do know the part the movie "Marooned" played in that whole thing,
don't you?

....That's the first really *dumb* question you've asked me, Patrick.
I'm starting to worry about you now.

OM

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On 2005-03-07, Skylon wrote:

I believe the Apollo 13 re-entry was done shirt-sleve, same as every
other Apollo re-entry. The film depicts it that way as well.

Wasn't one (Apollo 15, I'd guess) done suited (although still
pressurised normally) because of paranoia immediately after the Soyuz 11
accident? I can't seem to find a reference to this, though.

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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 06:44:26 -0600, Pat Flannery
wrote:

Of course, Mir was another matter entirely in the safety department.
What I was pointing out is something I've noted in my own life- make fun
of someone and denigrate them, and in very short order you will find
that you yourself are doing something very similar to what they did, as
if to teach you a lesson.

....Damn. I'd better lay off the concentration camp jokes, then :-(

OM

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OM wrote:



You do know the part the movie "Marooned" played in that whole thing,
don't you?



...That's the first really *dumb* question you've asked me, Patrick.
I'm starting to worry about you now.




I assumed you did, given your interest in ASTP, but thought some others
might not- it's an interesting story. I particularly liked the non-flush
rivets on the Voskhod in the movie. These should have interesting
effects during reentry when the rivet heads burn off and the reentry
sphere comes apart.

Pat

On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:36:18 -0600, Pat Flannery
wrote:

I assumed you did, given your interest in ASTP, but thought some others
might not- it's an interesting story. I particularly liked the non-flush
rivets on the Voskhod in the movie. These should have interesting
effects during reentry when the rivet heads burn off and the reentry
sphere comes apart.

....That was part of the design. The rivets were supposed to act as
shrapnel, nailing any US spy satellite that was tailing the Voskhod at
close range to observe first-hand it's reentry capabilities.

OM

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