Big Bang Confirmed - Again

to me it seem, that you an atheist, just confirmed Gen 1:1

no..snip.. here....

Budikka666 wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4161323.stm
offers more evidence of the so-called Big Bang, pushing the clueless
young-Earth creationists ever deeper into the hole they dug for
themselves.

Budikka

On 13 Jan 2005 05:24:10 -0800, wrote:

to me it seem, that you an atheist, just confirmed Gen 1:1

no..snip.. here....

Budikka666 wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4161323.stm
offers more evidence of the so-called Big Bang, pushing the clueless
young-Earth creationists ever deeper into the hole they dug for
themselves.

Budikka

The YEC's are hardly "clueless" and there are many fine scientists among
our ranks (although I am not one of them). From what I can see, it is
usually the evolutionists who are clueless. They come out with fancy ideas
about how this or that happened so many millions or billions of years ago,
but can't produce a shred of evidence to support their (atheistic)
philosophy. They can't even overcome such riddles as how to account for all
amino acids that make up life being left-handed (and that's just one of the
many hurdles that they cannot overcome). They are now getting so desperate
to come up with something that they are proposing that life must have
started out in space somewhere and magically found its way to earth. It's
amazing how they can on the one hand sign up to a SETI project, deperately
looking for signs of intelligently-coded signals coming from space (none
has been found) and yet if they look through their microscopes at the
incredible complexity of life, they say it all came about by chance. What
utter nonsense. If it weren't so serious (from the potential lost souls
going to hell point of view) it would be laughable. I pray that God will
open minds so that those who think they are wise do not remain "ever
learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth" 2 Timothy Ch 3
v7
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Brian Edmunds 13-Jan-05 7:18:03 PM

wrote:

to me it seem, that you an atheist, just confirmed Gen 1:1

no..snip.. here....


Let's see, Gen 1:1:

In the beginning, God created heaven, then waited 10 billion years or so,
then created the earth.


Gosh, you're right!

Budikka666 wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4161323.stm
offers more evidence of the so-called Big Bang, pushing the clueless
young-Earth creationists ever deeper into the hole they dug for
themselves.

Budikka

--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:18:24 +0000, Brian Edmunds
wrote:

On 13 Jan 2005 05:24:10 -0800, wrote:

to me it seem, that you an atheist, just confirmed Gen 1:1

no..snip.. here....

Budikka666 wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4161323.stm
offers more evidence of the so-called Big Bang, pushing the clueless
young-Earth creationists ever deeper into the hole they dug for
themselves.

Budikka

The YEC's are hardly "clueless" and there are many fine scientists among

Of course they are - it's little different than flat Earth Geography
or Stalk gynaecology.

And there no "fine scientists" among them.

our ranks (although I am not one of them). From what I can see, it is
usually the evolutionists who are clueless. They come out with fancy ideas

There is no such thing as an "evolutionist" outside the dishonesty of
creationists who try to turn the acceptance of reality and science's
investigated, tested and predictive explanations for it, into an -ism.

about how this or that happened so many millions or billions of years ago,
but can't produce a shred of evidence to support their (atheistic)

What "atheistic philosophy", liar?

You know perfectly well that even in the educationally backward USA,
about four times as many Christians as atheists accept the facts known
as evolution.

They'd be stupid not to.

philosophy. They can't even overcome such riddles as how to account for all
amino acids that make up life being left-handed (and that's just one of the
many hurdles that they cannot overcome). They are now getting so desperate
to come up with something that they are proposing that life must have
started out in space somewhere and magically found its way to earth. It's
amazing how they can on the one hand sign up to a SETI project, deperately
looking for signs of intelligently-coded signals coming from space (none
has been found) and yet if they look through their microscopes at the
incredible complexity of life, they say it all came about by chance. What
utter nonsense. If it weren't so serious (from the potential lost souls
going to hell point of view) it would be laughable. I pray that God will
open minds so that those who think they are wise do not remain "ever
learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth" 2 Timothy Ch 3

Nobody could be as stupid as you are, so must be lying to get
attention.

v7

"Brian Edmunds" wrote in message
.. .
The YEC's are hardly "clueless" and there are many fine scientists among
our ranks (although I am not one of them). From what I can see, it is
usually the evolutionists who are clueless. They come out with fancy ideas
about how this or that happened so many millions or billions of years ago,
but can't produce a shred of evidence to support their (atheistic)
philosophy.

## And the fundies can't produce a shred of evidence to support their
(superstitious) philosophy of some grand "creation" by some magical mythical
all powerful being who can't even write his own bible (book).

They can't even overcome such riddles as how to account for all
amino acids that make up life being left-handed (and that's just one of
the
many hurdles that they cannot overcome).

## And how have the bible thumpers overcome this riddle? Start with the
first amino acid please leaving out the magical and mystical.

They are now getting so desperate
to come up with something that they are proposing that life must have
started out in space somewhere and magically found its way to earth.

## Whereas the fundies believe some fantastical sky daddy came along and
simply "created" it all from nothing.....

It's
amazing how they can on the one hand sign up to a SETI project, deperately
looking for signs of intelligently-coded signals coming from space (none
has been found) and yet if they look through their microscopes at the
incredible complexity of life, they say it all came about by chance.

## Ands you say it all came about by some magical "creation" by a being who
cannot write his/her/it's own bible (book).

What
utter nonsense.

## It sure is,... all the gods and goddesses are.

If it weren't so serious (from the potential lost souls
going to hell point of view) it would be laughable.

## You're following the WRONG god. Pick a better god.
=== snip superstitious nonsense from the dark ages.
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Bible will be the only rules you need. Do not seek to bind
other consciences, and do not permit others to bind yours.
Believe and obey so far as you can understand God's word
today, and so continue to growing in grace and knowledge
day by day." - Zion's Watch Tower, 1895, p. 216
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"Brian Edmunds" wrote in message
.. .
On 13 Jan 2005 05:24:10 -0800, wrote:

to me it seem, that you an atheist, just confirmed Gen 1:1

no..snip.. here....

Budikka666 wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4161323.stm
offers more evidence of the so-called Big Bang, pushing the clueless
young-Earth creationists ever deeper into the hole they dug for
themselves.

Budikka

The YEC's are hardly "clueless" and there are many fine scientists among
our ranks (although I am not one of them).

I could wish they would be practicing science, then.

From what I can see, it is
usually the evolutionists who are clueless.

But you are not a scientist. So you don't have much of a clue, either,
right?

Please tell me what sciences you have studied in any sort of detail?

They come out with fancy ideas
about how this or that happened so many millions or billions of years ago,
but can't produce a shred of evidence to support their (atheistic)
philosophy.

Well, you just answered my previous question. You haven't studied any of the
sciences in any kind of detail, have you?

If you had, you would understand that there is a great deal of evidence to
support the evolutionary viewpoint in science. It is not the work of
fanciful imagination. There is a great deal of evidence as to uniformitarian
processes in the past, and much evidence of a very long age for the earth
and longer for the universe.

Furthermore, if you were an honest creationist, you would be willing to note
that an evolutionary viewpoint in science is not necessarily an atheistic
one. There are many scientists who believe in God. Many Christians in the
sciences see no difficulty with their faith and with their science.

They can't even overcome such riddles as how to account for all
amino acids that make up life being left-handed (and that's just one of
the
many hurdles that they cannot overcome).

Oh dear. Do you even know what that means? Or did you just crib that out of
a creationist web site?

Tell you what. Why don't *you* present us with some of *your* research on
that topic, just so that we can see you've got your chemistry right.

But in any case, that difficulty for abiogenesis has nothing to do with the
evolution of life that already exists.

They are now getting so desperate
to come up with something that they are proposing that life must have
started out in space somewhere and magically found its way to earth. It's
amazing how they can on the one hand sign up to a SETI project, deperately
looking for signs of intelligently-coded signals coming from space (none
has been found) and yet if they look through their microscopes at the
incredible complexity of life, they say it all came about by chance. What
utter nonsense. If it weren't so serious (from the potential lost souls
going to hell point of view) it would be laughable. I pray that God will
open minds so that those who think they are wise do not remain "ever
learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth" 2 Timothy Ch
3
v7
--

Sigh. You really don't have a clue.

Brian, let me urge you to go to your local community college and sign up for
some science courses. Take them with an open mind. I am not asking you to
believe evolution. I am asking you to try to learn the *science* itself so
that you can understand why we say what we do.

You are completely mixed up from those anti-science sites. You have no idea
what science teaches, or why we have come to the conclusions we have.

Go. Read. Take the courses. Learn. And come back and talk.

Regards,

Raymond E. Griffith

Brian Edmunds 13-Jan-05 7:18:03 PM

Raymond E. Griffith wrote:
"Brian Edmunds" wrote in message
.. .

On 13 Jan 2005 05:24:10 -0800, wrote:


to me it seem, that you an atheist, just confirmed Gen 1:1

no..snip.. here....

Budikka666 wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4161323.stm
offers more evidence of the so-called Big Bang, pushing the clueless
young-Earth creationists ever deeper into the hole they dug for
themselves.

Budikka

The YEC's are hardly "clueless" and there are many fine scientists among
our ranks (although I am not one of them).


I could wish they would be practicing science, then.


From what I can see, it is
usually the evolutionists who are clueless.


But you are not a scientist. So you don't have much of a clue, either,
right?

Please tell me what sciences you have studied in any sort of detail?

Here Raymond ,climb out of your sand box, put your tongue back in your
mouth, stop name-calling for a minute and read this.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0112quasar.asp



snip

"Brian Edmunds" wrote in message
.. .
On 13 Jan 2005 05:24:10 -0800, wrote:

to me it seem, that you an atheist, just confirmed Gen 1:1

no..snip.. here....

Budikka666 wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4161323.stm
offers more evidence of the so-called Big Bang, pushing the clueless
young-Earth creationists ever deeper into the hole they dug for
themselves.

Budikka

The YEC's are hardly "clueless" and there are many fine scientists among
our ranks (although I am not one of them). From what I can see, it is
usually the evolutionists who are clueless. They come out with fancy ideas
about how this or that happened so many millions or billions of years ago,


"Fancy ideas" LOL!
Cept all those fossils, bones carbon dating, rock dating and what
not...there ain't a shred of evidence.

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:18:24 +0000, Brian Edmunds
said in alt.atheism:

The YEC's are hardly "clueless" and there are many fine scientists among
our ranks (although I am not one of them). From what I can see, it is
usually the evolutionists who are clueless. They come out with fancy ideas
about how this or that happened so many millions or billions of years ago,
but can't produce a shred of evidence to support their (atheistic)
philosophy.

Read the article - it's the evidence you claim doesn't exist.

Now post evidence of creation.
--
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unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
-- Bertrand Russell.
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Brian Edmunds wrote:

snip

The YEC's are hardly "clueless" and there are many fine scientists among
our ranks

Really? Young-Earth cosmologists and biologists? Why aren't *they*
your chief spokespeople, then, instead of lawyers and guys with fake
degrees?

snip

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