Goodbye.

Al wrote:

"Phil Wheeler" wrote in message
...


Davoud wrote:


Extreme left? That's an understatement, but thank you! I'm a citizen of
the great country that _invented_ the concept of revolution by the
radical left. And thank you for not calling me a liberal! The
right-wing extremists who hold power in this country have pushed me so
far to the left that I'm beginning to wonder if maybe Trotsky and
Lenin, both of whom I have long admired, might have, in fact, been
Reagan Republicans.


Well, I guess that leaves it pretty clear where you are coming from.
I'm surprised you could consider supporting Gore or Kerry. They are
pretty middle of the road, really. I suspect Kerry would do little to
change what Bush has done -- he just would not be as up-front and
abrasive in doing it (e.g., another Clinton).

Given your characterizaton above, the only main-stream American
politician of the past century I could see aligned even remotely with
your ideas is Henry Wallace -- and that would be quite a stretch.

Phil



Actually, if he wants to align himself with a current "functioning"
government of his ilk, he (Davoud) needs to take a trip south to Florida and
keep going until he hits the water line. At that point, jump in a boat and
set a course to the southwest. When he gets to the first beach (the one
with a bearded old man in a military uniform holding an AK47), he has found
his new home.


He may already be there. From above he said:

I'm a citizen of
the great country that _invented_ the concept of revolution by the
radical left.

That cannot be the US .. since it is hard to consider Washington,
Jefferson, et al -- many of whom were slave-owning landed aristrocacy --
as "the radical left". Nor would Danton, Murat and Robespierre qualify.
So maybe Davoud *is* refering to such as Fidel and Che and lives in Cuba.

Phil

(P. Edward Murray) wrote in message . com...
For much of my life I've been an Amateur Astronomer, past president of
a Astronomical 501 (c) Non profit,sometime politician and currently a
technician at a large multinational corporate call center.

During the last several years I've posted frequently to this group
able sometimes to point a budding amateur in the right direction.

Although at times I've enjoyed hearing from many of you when you see a
beautiful Aurora Borealis, I've been saddened by seeing so many of
these folks who we call trolls spread their nonsense whether it be the
latest theory of why planets orbit the sun or letting us know (as if
we don't know) when the next New Moon is.

I was also saddened 4 years ago to not see more folks here at least
talk about
supporting Vice President Al Gore for President of the United States.

Someone who I would call a fellow Amateur Astronomer.

Perhaps, just perhaps, few of us here who are Americans really believe
in
Astronomy. Or at least we see it from a far different perspective.

This November we will have another chance to vote for a candidate who
believes
that Astronomy is worth doing, someone who will not let the Hubble
Space Telescope fall.

I hope that you will vote for that candidate.

At any rate, as others have done before, I'm saying goodbye and I wish
for all of you Clear Skies.

P. Edward Murray

Awwwwww. No one wanted to vote for the tree-hugger, if only you'd all known
he was an AMATEUR ASTRONOMER, then, you could have dispensed with any other
considerations and voted him in. I'm SURE the combined votes of all amateurs
would have won Gore the Whitehouse!!!! Then, you could have preened in front
of the mirror, luxuriating in the fact YOU carried the election.
-Rich

(P. Edward Murray) wrote in message . com...
For much of my life I've been an Amateur Astronomer, past president of
a Astronomical 501 (c) Non profit,sometime politician and currently a
technician at a large multinational corporate call center.

During the last several years I've posted frequently to this group
able sometimes to point a budding amateur in the right direction.

Although at times I've enjoyed hearing from many of you when you see a
beautiful Aurora Borealis, I've been saddened by seeing so many of
these folks who we call trolls spread their nonsense whether it be the
latest theory of why planets orbit the sun or letting us know (as if
we don't know) when the next New Moon is.

I was also saddened 4 years ago to not see more folks here at least
talk about
supporting Vice President Al Gore for President of the United States.

Someone who I would call a fellow Amateur Astronomer.

Perhaps, just perhaps, few of us here who are Americans really believe
in
Astronomy. Or at least we see it from a far different perspective.

This November we will have another chance to vote for a candidate who
believes
that Astronomy is worth doing, someone who will not let the Hubble
Space Telescope fall.

I hope that you will vote for that candidate.

At any rate, as others have done before, I'm saying goodbye and I wish
for all of you Clear Skies.

P. Edward Murray

Awwwwww. No one wanted to vote for the tree-hugger, if only you'd all known
he was an AMATEUR ASTRONOMER, then, you could have dispensed with any other
considerations and voted him in. I'm SURE the combined votes of all amateurs
would have won Gore the Whitehouse!!!! Then, you could have preened in front
of the mirror, luxuriating in the fact YOU carried the election.
-Rich

Davoud
I'm a citizen of the great country that _invented_ the concept
of revolution by the radical left.

Phil Wheeler:
That cannot be the US .. since it is hard to consider Washington,
Jefferson, et al -- many of whom were slave-owning landed aristrocacy --
as "the radical left".

It wasn't hard for George III to consider these folks to be radical.
And you haven't considered Thoreau (_On Civil Disobedience_) or the
writings of Thomas Paine. These were dangerous leftists who advocated
the overthrow of the established system -- the same kind of system the
extreme right is trying -- and failing -- to restore.

Davoud

--
usenet *at* davidillig dawt com

Davoud
I'm a citizen of the great country that _invented_ the concept
of revolution by the radical left.

Phil Wheeler:
That cannot be the US .. since it is hard to consider Washington,
Jefferson, et al -- many of whom were slave-owning landed aristrocacy --
as "the radical left".

It wasn't hard for George III to consider these folks to be radical.
And you haven't considered Thoreau (_On Civil Disobedience_) or the
writings of Thomas Paine. These were dangerous leftists who advocated
the overthrow of the established system -- the same kind of system the
extreme right is trying -- and failing -- to restore.

Davoud

--
usenet *at* davidillig dawt com

Phil Wheeler wrote:

A very long and illogical stretch from someone obviously from the
extreme left. Kerry has said nothing to support your assumptions.

Phil

Wow! You're so far to the right of center you can't even hold your dick
to pee, let alone tie your left shoe! ;-)

Shawn

Phil Wheeler wrote:

A very long and illogical stretch from someone obviously from the
extreme left. Kerry has said nothing to support your assumptions.

Phil

Wow! You're so far to the right of center you can't even hold your dick
to pee, let alone tie your left shoe! ;-)

Shawn

Davoud:
No need for sadness! If the folks here are typical of the U.S.
population, a majority of those who voted chose Al Gore.

Jon Kickerston:
Um, excuse me, but not sure how you can make that conclusion.

I was alluding to the fact that Mr. Gore received 543,895 more votes
than Mr. Bush -- and that's not counting the Supreme Court ruling that
there was insufficient time to find out how many votes Mr. Gore
received in Florida. http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm


All the FL elections proved was how evenly divided the country really is.

Wrong tense. The country may have been evenly divided in 2000, but it
isn't now! Bush and his puppetmasters will be sent packing by a
comfortable margin.

Davoud

--
usenet *at* davidillig dawt com

Davoud:
No need for sadness! If the folks here are typical of the U.S.
population, a majority of those who voted chose Al Gore.

Jon Kickerston:
Um, excuse me, but not sure how you can make that conclusion.

I was alluding to the fact that Mr. Gore received 543,895 more votes
than Mr. Bush -- and that's not counting the Supreme Court ruling that
there was insufficient time to find out how many votes Mr. Gore
received in Florida. http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm


All the FL elections proved was how evenly divided the country really is.

Wrong tense. The country may have been evenly divided in 2000, but it
isn't now! Bush and his puppetmasters will be sent packing by a
comfortable margin.

Davoud

--
usenet *at* davidillig dawt com

"Al" wrote in message, in response to Davoud...

[snip]

John Kerry has just earned the endorsement of *48 Nobel Prize-winning
scientists*.

This proves that scientists know much about science and absolutely _nothing_
about politics.

Hmmm; if what you say is true, Al, what does that say about what
politicians know about science?

I, for one, am one scientist who knows enough about politics to know
that my current favorite presidential candidate is "None of the
Above".

If we had started drilling in ANWR four years ago, we would be thumbing our
noses at the Saudis today...and the price of gas would still be under a
dollar.

We can, of course, "thumb our noses at the Saudis" anytime we wish; it
would be kinda dumb (and not very grateful), but feel free.

[If someone really wishes to thumb a nose at OPEC, may I suggest a
better place to start would be by conserving energy? Better insulate
our homes and offices, drive more economically, consider alternative
fuels, etc. The US, with 5% of the world's population, uses 25% of
the world's energy.]

ANWR at full production has a capacity of 2% of total US oil
consumption. It would have some moderating effect on gas prices, but
not what you envision.

(And ANWR stands for, what again? Arctic National WILDLIFE REFUGE?
Uh, OK.)

Given all that has been discussed about drilling at ANWR, I have NOT
heard what I feel is the most logical answer. LEAVE THE OIL THERE
UNTIL WE REALLY NEED IT!! Compared to known proven reserves, there
isn't an ocean of oil at ANWR. Also, given the difficulites of
extracting from this field, it isn't cheap oil, either. So, leave it
there until everyone else has used their supply. Then ANWR will
really be worth something!

¤ Clear skies & a star to steer by! Michael ¤

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