Nuclear energy on its way out.:)

On Jul 12, 2:45*pm, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article d03f4df1-4cc9-42dc-80c9-3f66e2a260b2
@g12g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...



Japanese were asked what should be done regarding the nation's nuclear
power plants, 2 percent said more nuclear plants should be built.
Twenty-five percent said they are in favor of the status-quo, while 42
percent said the number of plants should be reduced. Twenty-one
percent said all nuclear power plants should be eliminated.

Basing such important decisions on how the population "feels" about
where they get their power is awfully stupid. *Hopefully Japan's leaders
aren't as dumb as the general population.

In any case it will likely take one more nuke plant accident to kill
the entire industry. The companies involved can move to cleaning up
old plants...

You said the same thing repeatedly about the shuttle, now you're crying
because the program is ending! *

I have a feeling the Japanese population will feel differently after
they start to see the death toll caused by lack of air conditioning this
summer due to lack of nuclear power. *We should keep score here. *So
far, zero deaths from radiation. *How many deaths due to the heat so
far?

Jeff

well I never thought the shuttle would end with no future program
underway

As for japan once the cancer rates soar nuke power will be killed.

Remember the government and power company understated the radiation
lekage and failed to evacuate residents in a timely fashion. there are
still areas to be evacuated.

I expect the current leaders to be brought up on charges once
residents and espically kids start dying, or even getting cancer

"rst9" wrote in message
...
On Jul 11, 3:23 pm, "Jonathan" wrote:

First nuclear, next fossil fuels.

Nuclear energy on its way out. - Don't count on it. China will
continue to build and use nuclear power plants.

Let me get this right, you believe the statements of
the Chinese Communist Party have anything to do
the truth??? This is a country that practices the most
abusive and corrupt capitalist system in the world, not
to mention the largest and most repressive political
machine which has ever existed.



With oil only getting scarcer, the third-world and China
will also turn to coal, only without all the fancy -smancy
pollution controls. As the third-world steps up and becomes
as industrialized as the west, we should expect an explosion
in the amount of greenhouse gasses being pumped into the sky
no matter what the west does.

But if China goes to democracy as did the Soviet Union, we
might have a chance of keeping emissions 'survivable'.


When did the Soviet Union become a democracy? if it exist at all?


What? You did hear that the 'wall fell' right?
The same needs to happen to the Great Wall
of Chinese communism. It's only a matter of time
when China will break up into a dozen or so
countries, most becoming the new friends and
allies of the US.



China is the leader in clean coal technology for quite a while now.
You are talking about something you know nothing about it.

Here's how clean....from an article about the Beijing Olympics.

"The air is often thick with pollution in Beijing, a city of 11 million.
When there is no rain or wind, ozone and fine dust accumulate,
often to a rate that is two or three times the maximum levels
recommended by the World Health Organization (WHO).
The fine dust stems mainly from coal power plants and
factories,..." "And yet the city government remains confident,
even issuing periodic progress reports on its supposed successes."

"Of course, many Beijing residents can only chuckle asthmatically
when confronted with such figures.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...491184,00.html




The 'Gang of Twelve' people, whose bright smiling faces
adorn the pictures below, OWNS a FIFTH of Humanity
as slaves. No wonder they're smiling.

You couldn't be more wrong in your whole life. You know nothing, and
you talk non-sense. Go to China and see how free the Chinese are. If
there ever be war with China, you'll be fighting against 1.3 billion
people.


That's the same thing the "Arab Street" used to say.
Now they shower our ambassadors with flowers
and beg us to invade them too...

You sound like a Chinese brochure.
You must be one of those 'running dogs' that work for the CCP.
Is that what they call them? Seems appropriate.



http://english.gov.cn/2007-10/29/content_24084.htm


We should ALL know their names and faces, and I
realize there are only eleven, but sometimes a little
dramatic license is in order.

Thanks for replying

Jonathan


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On Jul 12, 3:35*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
"rst9" wrote in message
Nuclear energy on its way out. - Don't count on it. *China will
continue to build and use nuclear power plants.

Let me get this right, you believe the statements of
the Chinese Communist Party have anything to do
the truth???

I have no idea what "statements of the Chinese Communist Party" you
are talking about, stupid asshole. I have never lived in a communist
country, and only visited Mainland China twice.

This is a country that practices the most
abusive

How abusive, and to whom? You should state exactly what you are
talking about.

and corrupt capitalist system in the world,

Corruption is everywhere, even in the U.S. So what is your problems?

not
to mention the largest and most repressive political
machine which has ever existed.

Anymore repressive than the Western treatment of Black African
people? The American treatment of the Native American Indian? Have
you ever heard of:

"The only good Injun is a dead Injun".

Weren't all these very, very repressive life-style of the West?


When did the Soviet Union become a democracy? if it exist at all?

What? You did hear that the 'wall fell' right?

You didn't answer my questions.
1: When did the Soviet Union become a democracy?
2: Where is the Soviet Union now?

The same needs to happen to the Great Wall
of Chinese communism.

Communism died when the USSR disintegrated.

It's only a matter of time
when China will break up into a dozen or so
countries,

Don't hold your breath.

most becoming the new friends and
allies of the US.

The U.S. is losing friends and allies now. We have a bunch of
countries which I called "coalition of the unwilling" fighting in Iraq
and Afghanistan. Most or all of them would rather stay hole and watch
TV.


China is the leader in clean coal technology for quite a while now.
You are talking about something you know nothing about it.

Here's how clean....from an article about the Beijing Olympics.

"The air is often thick with pollution in Beijing, a city of 11 million.
When there is no rain or wind, ozone and fine dust accumulate,
often to a rate that is two or three times the maximum levels
recommended by the World Health Organization (WHO).
The fine dust stems mainly from coal power plants and
factories,..." * * "And yet the city government remains confident,
even issuing periodic progress reports on its supposed successes."

"Of course, many Beijing residents can only chuckle asthmatically
when confronted with such figures.http://www.spiegel.de/international/...491184,00.html


Funny, very funny!!! The point is, they are doing something about it.



The 'Gang of Twelve' people, whose bright smiling faces
adorn the pictures below, OWNS a FIFTH of Humanity
as slaves. No wonder they're smiling.
You couldn't be more wrong in your whole life. *You know nothing, and
you talk non-sense. *Go to China and see how free the Chinese are. *If
there ever be war with China, you'll be fighting against 1.3 billion
people.

That's the same thing the "Arab Street" used to say.
Now they shower our ambassadors with flowers
and beg us to invade them too...

Yeah, like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Libya,...
Haven't you read the latest news?
The Syrians are bombing our Embassy in Syria.


You sound like a Chinese brochure.
You must be one of those 'running dogs' that work for the CCP.
Is that what they call them? Seems appropriate.

Of course, you sounded like any American propaganda against China.
But as you can see, China is rising while the U.S. is declining.




http://english.gov.cn/2007-10/29/content_24084.htm

We should ALL know their names and faces, and I
realize there are only eleven, but sometimes a little
dramatic license is in order.

Thanks for replying

Jonathan

s

On Jul 12, 4:17*pm, rst7 wrote:
On Jul 12, 3:35*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:

"rst9" wrote in message
Nuclear energy on its way out. - Don't count on it. *China will
continue to build and use nuclear power plants.

Let me get this right, you believe the statements of
the Chinese Communist Party have anything to do
the truth???

I have no idea what "statements of the Chinese Communist Party" you
are talking about, stupid asshole. *I have never lived in a communist
country, and only visited Mainland China twice.

This is a country that practices the most
abusive

How abusive, and to whom? *You should state exactly what you are
talking about.

and corrupt capitalist system in the world,

Corruption is everywhere, even in the U.S. *So what is your problems?

not
to mention the largest and most repressive political
machine which has ever existed.

Anymore repressive than the Western treatment of Black African
people? *The American treatment of the Native American Indian? *Have
you ever heard of:

"The only good Injun is a dead Injun".

Weren't all these very, very repressive life-style of the West?



When did the Soviet Union become a democracy? if it exist at all?

What? You did hear that the 'wall fell' right?

You didn't answer my questions.
* 1: When did the Soviet Union become a democracy?
* 2: Where is the Soviet Union now?

The same needs to happen to the Great Wall
of Chinese communism.

Communism died when the USSR disintegrated.

It's only a matter of time
when China will break up into a dozen or so
countries,

Don't hold your breath.

most becoming the new friends and
allies of the US.

The U.S. is losing friends and allies now. *We have a bunch of
countries which I called "coalition of the unwilling" fighting in Iraq
* and Afghanistan. *Most or all of them would rather stay hole and
*watch
* TV.

and Afghanistan. *Most or all of them would rather stay home and watch
TV.












China is the leader in clean coal technology for quite a while now.
You are talking about something you know nothing about it.

Here's how clean....from an article about the Beijing Olympics.

"The air is often thick with pollution in Beijing, a city of 11 million..
When there is no rain or wind, ozone and fine dust accumulate,
often to a rate that is two or three times the maximum levels
recommended by the World Health Organization (WHO).
The fine dust stems mainly from coal power plants and
factories,..." * * "And yet the city government remains confident,
even issuing periodic progress reports on its supposed successes."

"Of course, many Beijing residents can only chuckle asthmatically
when confronted with such figures.http://www.spiegel.de/international/...491184,00.html

Funny, very funny!!! *The point is, they are doing something about it.



The 'Gang of Twelve' people, whose bright smiling faces
adorn the pictures below, OWNS a FIFTH of Humanity
as slaves. No wonder they're smiling.
You couldn't be more wrong in your whole life. *You know nothing, and
you talk non-sense. *Go to China and see how free the Chinese are. *If
there ever be war with China, you'll be fighting against 1.3 billion
people.

That's the same thing the "Arab Street" used to say.
Now they shower our ambassadors with flowers
and beg us to invade them too...

Yeah, like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Libya,...
Haven't you read the latest news?
The Syrians are bombing our Embassy in Syria.



You sound like a Chinese brochure.
You must be one of those 'running dogs' that work for the CCP.
Is that what they call them? Seems appropriate.

Of course, you sounded like any American propaganda against China.
But as you can see, China is rising while the U.S. is declining.









http://english.gov.cn/2007-10/29/content_24084.htm

We should ALL know their names and faces, and I
realize there are only eleven, but sometimes a little
dramatic license is in order.

Thanks for replying

Jonathan

s

"rst7" wrote in message
...
On Jul 12, 3:35 pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
"rst9" wrote in message

That's the same thing the "Arab Street" used to say.
Now they shower our ambassadors with flowers
and beg us to invade them too...


I thought you might want to read this article, in case
you missed it~


Syria
7-8-11

" The U.S. ambassador to Syria on Friday got a boisterous
welcome in the restive city of Hama, where demonstrators
poured onto the streets and draped his vehicle with flowers
and olive branches."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...az3H_blog.html



Of course, you sounded like any American propaganda against China.

But I don't have to be paid to talk up America.


But as you can see, China is rising while the U.S. is declining.


We're counting on the economic rise of China, you see, only
a communist would believe that politics can control money
for very long. Everyone in the west knows full well that
capitalism will destroy the CCP, sooner or later.

We selling China the rope for their own hanging, one contract
at a time.



Jonathan


s






http://english.gov.cn/2007-10/29/content_24084.htm

We should ALL know their names and faces, and I
realize there are only eleven, but sometimes a little
dramatic license is in order.

Thanks for replying

Jonathan

s

Jeff Findley scribbled something like ...

[...]
I have a feeling the Japanese population will feel differently after
they start to see the death toll caused by lack of air conditioning this
summer due to lack of nuclear power. We should keep score here. So
far, zero deaths from radiation. How many deaths due to the heat so
far?

This game will go at least 20 innings, Jeff. As the Ukraine and Finland
know, not all the deaths from radiation are immediate.

/dps

On 13/07/2011 12:40 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:

And don't mention that a lot of the energy is in the form of neutrons
that convert the interior of the reactor to radioactive isotopes. The
solved-but-prevented-by-politics problem of radioactive waste will not
change when we go to fusion.

I doubt most people feel that strongly about nuclear waste, as long as
it's not dumped nearby. What they care about are events like Chernobyl,
and now Fukushima. They would need to be assured that even if a fusion
plant is complete wrecked, it still cannot present those kinds of hazard.

Sylvia.

On Jul 12, 9:23*pm, Snidely wrote:
Jeff Findley scribbled something like ...

[...]

I have a feeling the Japanese population will feel differently after
they start to see the death toll caused by lack of air conditioning this
summer due to lack of nuclear power. *We should keep score here. *So
far, zero deaths from radiation. *How many deaths due to the heat so
far?

This game will go at least 20 innings, Jeff. *As the Ukraine and Finland
know, not all the deaths from radiation are immediate.

/dps

yeah chernobyl caused worldwide cancer increase espically in nearby
countries

In article 4bf22831-f563-4cf9-8771-48c7db167266
@a10g2000vbz.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jul 12, 2:45*pm, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article d03f4df1-4cc9-42dc-80c9-3f66e2a260b2
@g12g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...



Japanese were asked what should be done regarding the nation's nuclear
power plants, 2 percent said more nuclear plants should be built.
Twenty-five percent said they are in favor of the status-quo, while 42
percent said the number of plants should be reduced. Twenty-one
percent said all nuclear power plants should be eliminated.

Basing such important decisions on how the population "feels" about
where they get their power is awfully stupid. *Hopefully Japan's leaders
aren't as dumb as the general population.

In any case it will likely take one more nuke plant accident to kill
the entire industry. The companies involved can move to cleaning up
old plants...

You said the same thing repeatedly about the shuttle, now you're crying
because the program is ending! *

I have a feeling the Japanese population will feel differently after
they start to see the death toll caused by lack of air conditioning this
summer due to lack of nuclear power. *We should keep score here. *So
far, zero deaths from radiation. *How many deaths due to the heat so
far?

Jeff

well I never thought the shuttle would end with no future program
underway

Bull! Your prior posts on the topic essentially boiled down to "end the
shuttle program now".

As for japan once the cancer rates soar nuke power will be killed.

Doubtful they'll "soar" to that extent.

Remember the government and power company understated the radiation
lekage and failed to evacuate residents in a timely fashion. there are
still areas to be evacuated.

I expect the current leaders to be brought up on charges once
residents and espically kids start dying, or even getting cancer

Sure, keep on speculating in the same "chicken little" style you have
for years.

Jeff
--
" Solids are a branch of fireworks, not rocketry. :-) :-) ", Henry
Spencer 1/28/2011

On Jul 11, 7:50*pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 12/07/2011 11:51 AM, Brad Guth wrote:









On Jul 11, 6:14 pm, Sylvia *wrote:
On 12/07/2011 10:06 AM, Richard Stephens wrote:

I wonder what these recent accidents will do to fusion research. Will
the average person think that all nuclear power is the same?

Well, they probably would, but I doubt that matters much as far as
research is concerned. If and when fusion plants were actually being
built around the world, there would have to be some education programs
designed to explain why a fusion plant cannot possibly suffer the kinds
of problem encountered with fission plants.

A good starting point would be a description of how difficult it's
proved to be to get fusion plants to function even when we want them to,
let alone when we don't

Sylvia.

Any sort of fusion powered source of energy is exactly the same as an
H-bomb.

So given that H-bombs already exist, there should be no problem building
fusion reactors.

But there is a problem, so perhaps they're not exactly the same.

Sylvia.

That's true, because the fly-by-rocket or electrical energy via such
fusion methods of what Mook is suggesting isn't exactly a viable bomb
that can get delivered without such logistics being easily detected
and/or noticed by most anyone. However, constructing a fusion bomb
that's cloaked as a reactor for obtaining clean energy, such as in the
center of any significant city is quite doable, or even as a research
reactor that can ingest a kg of Li6 could prove somewhat problematic
for a very large area.

Perhaps keeping the reactor fuel load down to a maximum of one gram,
and thereby only creating .576e12 joules per fusion jolt might be good
enough, though 58.736e9 kgf is still a worthy reaction blast that
starts off at 33,000 km/sec.

This fusion seems kind of like a precursor to matter and antimatter
that should produce a radial explosion of nearly 150,000 km/sec.

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