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Old August 3rd 10, 03:39 AM posted to sci.space.policy,alt.politics,alt.religion
Frank Robertson
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Default A Fundamental Change Has Occurred in Civilization

One of the Fundamentals of Civilization has changed and will continue
to change in the same direction it is now changing. Or, a better way
to say it: a new Fundamental has been placed in Civilization's
Foundation.

In recent millenia, Civilization has always needed Military/Police
(for survival), a Rational System of Laws, Justice and Penalization,
good Education, good Leadership, Morality, and possibly one can name
some other Fundamentals. A NEW FUNDAMENTAL now sits in the Foundation
on which civilization rests:

Science and Technology!

I need to brief, but, whether from an Evolutionist/Agnostic/Humanist/
(A/E/H) worldview, or for from a Biblical worldview, one can see that
Science and Technology have now become as vital to civilization as the
other fundamentals. This new fundamental is only going to increase in
importance as history progresses.

Those societies that lead in SciTech are going to lead in all other
ways. This will get more and more true and obvious as time passes.
From a Biblical worldview, SciTech does not catch God by surprise.
Instead, it is part of His Plan of History.

This is why I press for making basic SciTech R&D, including Space
Exploration, as sizable a part of the U.S. federal budget ASAP.
Understanding the current problem of budget, nevertheless, I say that
in the long run, Sci/Tech/Space (Sci/Tech includes Energy Research,
as well as basic research such as basic Physics research being done
with colliders, etc), should become a significantly larger, PERMANENT
part of the budget: maybe even up to around 15%.

http://1mmph.yolasite.com/

http://groups.google.com/group/scien...lnk=gcis&hl=en
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Old August 4th 10, 01:31 AM posted to sci.space.policy,alt.politics,alt.religion
Frank Robertson
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Default A Fundamental Change Has Occurred in Civilization

On Aug 2, 10:39*pm, Frank Robertson wrote:
One of the Fundamentals of Civilization has changed and will continue
to change in the same direction it is now changing. Or, a better way
to say it: a new Fundamental has been placed in Civilization's
Foundation.

In recent millenia, Civilization has always needed Military/Police
(for survival), a Rational System of Laws, Justice and Penalization,
good Education, good Leadership, Morality, and possibly one can name
some other Fundamentals. A NEW FUNDAMENTAL now sits in the Foundation
on which civilization rests:

Science and Technology!

I need to brief, but, whether from an Evolutionist/Agnostic/Humanist/
(A/E/H) worldview, or for from a Biblical worldview, one can see that
Science and Technology have now become as vital to civilization as the
other fundamentals. This new fundamental is only going to increase in
importance as history progresses.

Those societies that lead in SciTech are going to lead in all other
ways. This will get more and more true and obvious as time passes.
From a Biblical worldview, SciTech does not catch God by surprise.
Instead, it is part of His Plan of History.

This is why I press for making basic SciTech R&D, including Space
Exploration, as sizable a part of the U.S. federal budget ASAP.
Understanding the current problem of budget, nevertheless, I say that
in the long run, *Sci/Tech/Space (Sci/Tech includes Energy Research,
as well as basic research such as basic Physics research being done
with colliders, etc), should become a significantly larger, PERMANENT
part of the budget: maybe even up to around 15%.

http://1mmph.yolasite.com/

http://groups.google.com/group/scien...new&lnk=gcis&h....


Additional note:

Last night, I was reading, not the Bible per se but a book called
"The Book of God: The Bible as a Novel," by Walter Wangerin.
http://www.amazon.com/Book-God-Bible.../dp/0310200059

Now, in my regular reading - this is the first time I'm trying to read
the Bible all the way through, in about a year [I've read large
portions of it previously] - I haven't got this far, yet. But in
Wangerin's book, I've gone through all the sections up to the end of
"Prophets." (Previous sections are "Patriarchs," "The Exodus," and
"Kings." So now the Israelites have just been conquered and taken
captive by Babylon.)

But in the last chapter of "Prophets," called "Jeremiah," it talks
about a King of Judah who, having previously paid tribute to Assyria
and/or Egypt, but not having to pay so much tribute now, is keeping
the extra taxes collected from Judah that don't need to be used
anymore (less tribute to pay). He uses these extra, unnecessary taxes
to rebuild for himself, Solomon's Palace.

The thought struck me fairly hard that this could relate to my
proposal ask people to be willing for the U.S. gov't to spend up to
about 15% of the annual budget on Big Science, including Big Space. Is
such a thing reprehensible, as was the behavior the "New Solomon's
Palace" King of Israel? (God came down on him and the kingdom of Judah
for this and other social injustice.)

In acknowleding there could be something wrong with my 15%-of-budget-
goes-to-science plan, I will certainly be releaving some conservatives
who might be reading these postings. It bothers me to offend
conservatives, especially, and saying that maybe this 15% proposal is
wrong, will reduce the offense.

But, for one thing, I only expect this to take flight if enough people
want it (the majority?).

In any case, I think I had better from now on speak as one who is
proposing this as a hypothetical for the time being, to find out what
others think. As if that wasn't actually the case, anyway. But last
night's reading left such an impression (coming right after I had
posted the above), that I think I need to formally back away from
"pushing this as a plan that I'm fully committed to as a MUST-HAPPEN,"
to "What Do You Think? Can I convince you?"

In this new mode, I think that I'll push it just as hard, always with
a caveat. Kind of like, in a jury trial, the defense pushes super hard
FOR the defendant, and the prosecution pushes super hard AGAINST him.
May the truth win out!

So if I take hypothetical-but-serious stance for the Science Spending
Proposal, and others take their stances - may the best idea(s) win!
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Old August 7th 10, 09:06 AM posted to sci.space.policy,alt.politics,alt.religion,alt.community
Pat Flannery
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Default A Fundamental Change Has Occurred in Civilization

On 8/5/2010 4:05 PM, Day Brown wrote:

And in More, Cosmopolitan, and Glamour there have been raps by thirty
something women, disparing of ever meeting Mr. Wright,


Orville, Wilbur, or Frank Lloyd?
In all three cases, this will require cloning.

Pat
 




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