OT, but a spooky concept

On 4/27/2010 1:44 PM, Rick Jones wrote:
In sci.space.history Pat wrote:
By the end of the week, Israel will claim Iran is going to buy them,
Iran will claim they have had their indigenous version in service
for years, Russia will claim China has stolen the design and is
making a rip-off version which they have sold to Pakistan, Pakistan
will say the only reason they got them is because India bought some
from the US, and the US will tell Israel to shut the **** up and
stop selling our technology to the Chinese.

You left-out the North Koreans

What? We have nothing to do with this! Why is everyone always getting on
my ass over everything?
"Oh, weather not good today! Must be North Korea's fault!"
"Oh, toilet paper rough on rear! Must have North Korean itching powder
on it!"
"Oh, stupid South Korean ship is so rusty that it break in half and
sink! Who we going to blame for this one?"
Take wild ****ing guess who going to get blamed for stupid rusty ship
breaking in half when whale farts at it or something.

Lil' Kim
Pyongyang

Pat Flannery writes:

Just what the world needs - cruise missiles that can be hidden inside of, and
launched from, standard shipping containers:

As opposed to what? Thermonuclear weapons shipped around the world in standard
shipping containers? Why go to all the complexity of a cruise missle when most
high value targets have harbors, rail lines or roads?

And let us not forget this concept has its genesis in our own MX, before we
went to that asinine "densepack" deployment. After all, wasn't 'mobile'
the original reason for the "M" in MX? The trick of course, was to make sure
the carrier trailers could fit "under" interstate highway overpasses.

There is *one* item about this video I *LOVE*.

Any company out there that can call itself DONGNAMA has got balls!

It we'd gone with the original MX concept I would have lobbied for that name
on its trailers!

Breaker 19, this here is Sky King calling with a message in six parts:

Break Break...

SIERRA TANGO LIMA OSCAR FOXTROT...

ROTFLMAO :-D

Dave

David Spain wrote:

And let us not forget this concept has its genesis in our own MX,
before we went to that asinine "densepack" deployment. After all,
wasn't 'mobile'
the original reason for the "M" in MX? The trick of course, was to
make sure the carrier trailers could fit "under" interstate highway
overpasses.

No, the MX was for Missile eXperimental.


--
Greg Moore
Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.

"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" writes:

David Spain wrote:
And let us not forget this concept has its genesis in our own MX,
before we went to that asinine "densepack" deployment. After all,
wasn't 'mobile'
the original reason for the "M" in MX? The trick of course, was to
make sure the carrier trailers could fit "under" interstate highway
overpasses.

No, the MX was for Missile eXperimental.

Yeah you're right. I double checked at the FAS website.

Also, don't know how seriously the tractor trailer idea was considered,
but the circular railroad was.

Now Greg, you gotta admit that I'm right that this rail car would definitely
be improved with big DONGNAMA lettering printed on both sides!

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/ic...ekeeper_07.jpg

;-)

Dave

Pat Flannery writes:

On 4/27/2010 8:13 PM, David Spain wrote:
Now Greg, you gotta admit that I'm right that this rail car would definitely
be improved with big DONGNAMA lettering printed on both sides!

The idea was to make the railcars inconspicuous...that would not make them
inconspicuous unless other trains set out with things like "Hello Clitty Sex
Toys" and "**** Incorporated Manure Supply Company"* on their railcars to
serve as decoys. ;-)

Well left around a rail yard long enough they will say that...

Now c'mon Pat, you gotta admit this is not only inconspicuous, but to
the point....

http://tinyurl.com/37ctv4a

;-)

Dave

On 4/27/2010 5:20 PM, Frogwatch wrote:


You really have to admire the guy who came up with this idea cuz he
sure gets a lot of people ****ed off.

You can see how it probably got started; some country ordered some of
those missiles in their launch tubes, and whoever was in charge of
shipping them out decided that you could fit them in a standard
forty-foot shipping container and save some money over having to build
some sort of special crate for them.
At that point the gears started going around upstairs.
They will still need their guidance systems programed before launch
though, and that will mean knowing where the launcher container is at
and which way it is pointing before launch.
The ones shown attacking the ships can home on them via radar, but the
ones attacking the tanks and airfield are going to need to have info
entered into their guidance system about the flight path between their
launch point and intended target.
In the video that's done by a reconnaissance satellite, but unless you
have access to one of those, this system won't fly.

Pat

On 4/27/2010 7:33 PM, David Spain wrote:
As opposed to what? Thermonuclear weapons shipped around the world in standard
shipping containers? Why go to all the complexity of a cruise missle when most
high value targets have harbors, rail lines or roads?

And let us not forget this concept has its genesis in our own MX, before we
went to that asinine "densepack" deployment. After all, wasn't 'mobile'
the original reason for the "M" in MX? The trick of course, was to make sure
the carrier trailers could fit "under" interstate highway overpasses.

The ones that were going to travel around the US would have been on
trains, not trucks.
It was a rerun of an old Minuteman basing scheme.
The truck-mounted ones would have just driven around in a big desert
area, moving from shelter to shelter randomly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44zyt...eature=related
The wild scheme was the ones that would have rolled around inside
underground concrete tunnels that they could break through the roof of
for launching:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7t6JLdaNC0
Kudos for whoever came up with the concept of solid-fueled pneumatic
cylinders.
Unfortunately for that scheme, it was found out that a nuclear warhead
blowing up at any point on a individual tunnel would drive the missile
inside of it into the end of the tunnel at several hundred mph, like it
was a bullet inside of the barrel of a gun.

There is *one* item about this video I *LOVE*.

Any company out there that can call itself DONGNAMA has got balls!

I get a kick out of the music for it, particularly the red-bordered
Worker's Paradise shown at the beginning to the music from "Born Free".

Pat

On 4/27/2010 8:13 PM, David Spain wrote:

No, the MX was for Missile eXperimental.

Yeah you're right. I double checked at the FAS website.

Also, don't know how seriously the tractor trailer idea was considered,
but the circular railroad was.

That was a bit more than a circular railroad; in times of crisis the
trains were going to set out from their bases to travel around the nation.
They could stop at pre-surveyed sites on the rail system and enter the
targeting coordinates into the missile guidance systems for any launch
point they happened to be at.

Now Greg, you gotta admit that I'm right that this rail car would definitely
be improved with big DONGNAMA lettering printed on both sides!

The idea was to make the railcars inconspicuous...that would not make
them inconspicuous unless other trains set out with things like "Hello
Clitty Sex Toys" and "**** Incorporated Manure Supply Company"* on their
railcars to serve as decoys. ;-)

* I was watching the Goldman-Sachs Senate investigation on CSPAN today,
and it now officially okay to say "****ty" on TV...in fact you can say
it over-and-over again.


Pat

On 4/27/2010 9:19 PM, David Spain wrote:
Pat writes:

On 4/27/2010 8:13 PM, David Spain wrote:
Now Greg, you gotta admit that I'm right that this rail car would definitely
be improved with big DONGNAMA lettering printed on both sides!

The idea was to make the railcars inconspicuous...that would not make them
inconspicuous unless other trains set out with things like "Hello Clitty Sex
Toys" and "**** Incorporated Manure Supply Company"* on their railcars to
serve as decoys. ;-)

Well left around a rail yard long enough they will say that...

Now c'mon Pat, you gotta admit this is not only inconspicuous, but to
the point....

http://tinyurl.com/37ctv4a

Here's the boys themselves;
http://investing.businessweek.com/re...vcapId=5565517
And their shipping containers are indeed forty feet long.
http://www.matts-place.com/intermoda...dongnama40.jpg

Pat

On Apr 28, 2:26*am, Pat Flannery wrote:

The ones that were going to travel around the US would have been on
trains, not trucks.


The Soviets actually did have such a thing, the SS-24:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/icbm/rt-23.htm