Space Policy: Why Mars should be our top priority.

On Apr 12, 12:12*pm, Marvin the Martian wrote:
Tired of all the flame wars? Insane posts? Off topic postings?

Want to try a moderated forum?

Then Get your ass to Mars!

http://OnToMar.org/forum/

A new forum where you can discuss space policy, particularly if you
understand why Mars, and not the moon, should be our immediate goal of
our space program.http://www.ontomars.org/blog/?m=200903

Why the Moon isn’t a Stepping Stone to Mars

Mars has an atmosphere however thin, the moon doesn’t. A Mars day is 24
hours and 40 minutes, a moon day is about 14 earth days. Temperatures are
different between Mars and the Moon. The new technologies needed to go to
Mars like the simulated gravity tether and large mass aerobraking to get
to the Mars surface, have nothing to do with the Moon. So, other than
they require totally different technologies, the moon has little to offer
in the way of Mars development.

The moon would be a good place to build telescopes. Better than Mars.
That’s just about the only thing the Moon has going for it.
Now, what does Mars have?
Climate Science.

Many people are interested in the science of climate change. Mars is a
cold planet that once was much warmer. Further, like earth, the climate
of Mars is also changing. Ice core samples taken on Mars would advance
the science of climate change a great deal.

Since we WANT a warmer Mars, tinkering with greenhouse gasses on Mars
would not only help to terraform Mars, but provide a great deal of
science about climate change.

You don’t get any of this by going to the Moon, the Asteroids, NEOs or
any other dead rock.
Biology

The Moon, the Asteroids, and NEO are all dead, lifeless rocks. In the
past, Mars had an ideal environment for life with a warmer environment
and flowing water. What’s more, gas releases from Mars suggest that life
may be there to this day. What a fantastic discovery it would be to find
fossil life on Mars. And the probability of finding extra-terrestrial
life on Mars would be the most significant scientific discovery since…
well, FIRE. You don’t get this by going to the Moon.
A Home for Humanity.

Mars has carbon. Mars has oceans of frozen water. Mars can be
terraformed. The moon has no carbon, trace amounts of water. It makes no
sense at all for a carbon based life form made mostly of water to try and
colonize a world where there is no carbon and almost no water. What’s
more, because there is no volcanic activity or water on the moon, there
are no ores. Materials like copper will be hard to gather on the moon.
You can build bases on the moon, only on Mars can you build a colony.

What’s more, you can grow crops in greenhouses on Mars, as the Martian
day is close enough to an earth day that our plants can grow there in a
greenhouse with a low pressure atmosphere. On the moon, the nights are
two weeks long!

* *Mars is the Gateway to the inner solar system

Because Mars can support a colony and the moon can only support a base,
Mars will eventually become humanity’s gateway to the inner solar system.
Once every two years, the energy required to go from Mars to the Moon is
much less than going from the earth to the moon! You can get much larger
payloads into space from Mars than you can from earth. A Mars
civilization would be a spacefaring civilization.
The Danger of going to the moon

Most of you are too young to recall, but in the early 1970s, when the
Apollo program was returning bags of rocks from the moon, people were
saying things like “We can go to the moon but we can’t cure the common
cold” or “We can go to the moon but we can’t end poverty” and so one.
People saw the product of the moon program: Moon rocks, which appeared to
be ordinary earth rocks and were only of interest to scientist. The
payback for space programs seemed small. Many people could put together a
bag of rocks for far cheaper. Space programs seemed wasteful, and the
Mars program was convicted by guilt by association with the Moon program
in the eyes of public that didn’t know better. There’s a PAYBACK for
going to Mars.

History repeats itself. Today, it is very much like it was in the 1960s.
We have a plan to return to the moon in 15 years or so. However, in 15
years , the people are once again going to see bags of rocks coming back
from the moon. They will not see the discovery of extraterrestrial life.
They will not see new discoveries in climate science. And they will not
see an exciting new self supporting colony. WE didn’t learn from Apollo
and we are in danger of making the same error.

--http://OnToMars.org*For discussions about Mars and Mars colonization

Truth is, we obviously can't seem to deal with Eden/Earth, much less
afford to take on Mars, and we certainly can't put any physical claims
or extract benefits from our Selene/moon, which makes this a highly
bogus topic.

And the great mutual ruse/sting of their mutually perpetrated cold-war
century continues, as though a white Zionist god and all of his
kingdom were on the same side of the USSR/USA coinage.

We’re seeing such bogus topics posted that even a failing 5th grader
can easily interpret as to what a total crock of mainstream infowar
tactics is going on. Too bad that BHO is going to have little option
but to cut our NASA budget sown to the bone (eliminating most
everything except the most pressing terrestrial related matters),
thanks mostly to their corrupt politics and their SEC approved Ponzi
Madoff and Big Mother Ponzi AIG, it’s all in the nearest toilet.

Just checked GM stock, and lo and behold it's almost worth as much a
toilet paper, along with a number of other public bailout investments
going onto the nearest toilet. That's OK, because what's another
million of middle and upper class unemployed, plus at least another
half million of preexisting UAW retirements and seeing everyone’s
medical benefits trashed, all because of our corrupt and greedy UAW
and faith-based corrupted government agencies of loot and benefit
hording era. Chances of UAW and GM survival are looking grim, as
though now they got next to nothing outside of whatever chapter 7
manages to liquidate. Way to go warlord republicans and faith-based
puppet masters.

How many chapter 7s per business day are averaging?
~ BG

On Apr 12, 12:12*pm, Marvin the Martian wrote:
Tired of all the flame wars? Insane posts? Off topic postings?

Want to try a moderated forum?

Then Get your ass to Mars!

http://OnToMar.org/forum/

A new forum where you can discuss space policy, particularly if you
understand why Mars, and not the moon, should be our immediate goal of
our space program.http://www.ontomars.org/blog/?m=200903

Why the Moon isn’t a Stepping Stone to Mars

Mars has an atmosphere however thin, the moon doesn’t. A Mars day is 24
hours and 40 minutes, a moon day is about 14 earth days. Temperatures are
different between Mars and the Moon. The new technologies needed to go to
Mars like the simulated gravity tether and large mass aerobraking to get
to the Mars surface, have nothing to do with the Moon. So, other than
they require totally different technologies, the moon has little to offer
in the way of Mars development.

The moon would be a good place to build telescopes. Better than Mars.
That’s just about the only thing the Moon has going for it.
Now, what does Mars have?
Climate Science.

Many people are interested in the science of climate change. Mars is a
cold planet that once was much warmer. Further, like earth, the climate
of Mars is also changing. Ice core samples taken on Mars would advance
the science of climate change a great deal.

Since we WANT a warmer Mars, tinkering with greenhouse gasses on Mars
would not only help to terraform Mars, but provide a great deal of
science about climate change.

You don’t get any of this by going to the Moon, the Asteroids, NEOs or
any other dead rock.
Biology

The Moon, the Asteroids, and NEO are all dead, lifeless rocks. In the
past, Mars had an ideal environment for life with a warmer environment
and flowing water. What’s more, gas releases from Mars suggest that life
may be there to this day. What a fantastic discovery it would be to find
fossil life on Mars. And the probability of finding extra-terrestrial
life on Mars would be the most significant scientific discovery since…
well, FIRE. You don’t get this by going to the Moon.
A Home for Humanity.

Mars has carbon. Mars has oceans of frozen water. Mars can be
terraformed. The moon has no carbon, trace amounts of water. It makes no
sense at all for a carbon based life form made mostly of water to try and
colonize a world where there is no carbon and almost no water. What’s
more, because there is no volcanic activity or water on the moon, there
are no ores. Materials like copper will be hard to gather on the moon.
You can build bases on the moon, only on Mars can you build a colony.

What’s more, you can grow crops in greenhouses on Mars, as the Martian
day is close enough to an earth day that our plants can grow there in a
greenhouse with a low pressure atmosphere. On the moon, the nights are
two weeks long!

* *Mars is the Gateway to the inner solar system

Because Mars can support a colony and the moon can only support a base,
Mars will eventually become humanity’s gateway to the inner solar system.
Once every two years, the energy required to go from Mars to the Moon is
much less than going from the earth to the moon! You can get much larger
payloads into space from Mars than you can from earth. A Mars
civilization would be a spacefaring civilization.
The Danger of going to the moon

Most of you are too young to recall, but in the early 1970s, when the
Apollo program was returning bags of rocks from the moon, people were
saying things like “We can go to the moon but we can’t cure the common
cold” or “We can go to the moon but we can’t end poverty” and so one.
People saw the product of the moon program: Moon rocks, which appeared to
be ordinary earth rocks and were only of interest to scientist. The
payback for space programs seemed small. Many people could put together a
bag of rocks for far cheaper. Space programs seemed wasteful, and the
Mars program was convicted by guilt by association with the Moon program
in the eyes of public that didn’t know better. There’s a PAYBACK for
going to Mars.

History repeats itself. Today, it is very much like it was in the 1960s.
We have a plan to return to the moon in 15 years or so. However, in 15
years , the people are once again going to see bags of rocks coming back
from the moon. They will not see the discovery of extraterrestrial life.
They will not see new discoveries in climate science. And they will not
see an exciting new self supporting colony. WE didn’t learn from Apollo
and we are in danger of making the same error.

--http://OnToMars.org*For discussions about Mars and Mars colonization

Truth be told, we obviously can't seem to deal with Eden/Earth, much
less afford to take on Mars, and we certainly can't put any physical
claims or extract benefits from our highly unusual Selene/moon, which
makes this another highly bogus topic.

And the great mutual ruse/sting of their mutually perpetrated cold-war
century continues, as though a white Zionist god and all of his
kingdom were on the same side of the USSR/USA coinage, the other side
depicting an unmentionable private body part at full erection.

We’re seeing such bogus topics posted that even a failing 5th grader
can easily interpret as to what a total crock of mainstream infowar
tactics is going on. Too bad that BHO is going to have little
budgetary option but to cut our NASA budget sown to the bone
(eliminating most everything except the most pressing terrestrial
related matters), thanks mostly to their corrupt politics and their
SEC approved Ponzi Madoff and Big Mother Ponzi AIG, because it’s all
situated in the nearest toilet.

Just checked GM stock, and lo and behold it's almost worth as much a
toilet paper, along with a number of other public bailout investments
going onto the nearest toilet. That's OK, because what's another
million of middle and upper class unemployed, plus at least another
half million of preexisting UAW retirements and seeing everyone’s
medical benefits trashed, all because of our corrupt and greedy UAW
and faith-based corrupted government agencies of loot and benefit
hording era. Chances of UAW and GM survival are looking grim, as
though now they got next to nothing outside of whatever chapter 7
manages to liquidate. Way to go warlord republicans and faith-based
puppet masters.

Besides chapter 11s, how many chapter 7s per business day are we
averaging?
~ BG

"BradGuth" wrote in message
...
Just checked GM stock, and lo and behold it's almost worth as much a
toilet paper, along with a number of other public bailout investments
going onto the nearest toilet. That's OK, because what's another
million of middle and upper class unemployed, plus at least another
half million of preexisting UAW retirements and seeing everyone’s
medical benefits trashed, all because of our corrupt and greedy UAW
and faith-based corrupted government agencies of loot and benefit
hording era. Chances of UAW and GM survival are looking grim, as
though now they got next to nothing outside of whatever chapter 7
manages to liquidate. Way to go warlord republicans and faith-based
puppet masters.

How many chapter 7s per business day are averaging?
==========================

Article by Sidley Austin's Financial Institutions Regulatory Practice Group
This article was originally published 19 March, 2009

On March 17, 2009, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation ("FDIC") issued
an interim rule (the "Interim Rule") which extends its Temporary Liquidity
Guarantee Program ("TLGP") from June 30, 2009 to October 31, 2009 for all
insured depository institutions participating in the debt guarantee program
of the TLGP ("IDIs") and other participating entities; however other
participating entities that have not issued senior unsecured debt guaranteed
by the FDIC under the TLGP ("TLGP debt") before April 1, 2009 are required
to submit an application to and obtain approval from the FDIC to participate
in the extended TLGP. The Interim Rule imposes a surcharge on all TLGP debt
with a maturity of one year or more issued on or after April 1, 2009. The
Interim Rule also permits IDIs and other entities participating in the
extended TLGP to apply to the FDIC to issue non-FDIC-guaranteed senior
unsecured debt ("non-TLGP debt") during the extension period.

The FDIC's stated intent for extending the TLGP is to facilitate an orderly
transition period for participating institutions to return to
non-FDIC-guaranteed funding, and to reduce the potential for market
disruption when the program ends; enhance bank liquidity while the elements
of the Treasury's proposed Financial Stability Plan are implemented; and
address potential competitive disparities with similar programs in other
countries. The FDIC's extension is consistent with extensions of other
liquidity programs recently announced by the Board of Governors of the
Federal Reserve System.

Extension of the TLGP
The Interim Rule extends the period during which TLGP debt may be issued
from June 30, 2009 to October 31, 2009. The extension applies to all IDIs
and to other participating entities (such as bank holding companies) that
have issued TLGP debt prior to April 1, 2009.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 02:58:44PM -0700, BradGuth wrote:
[Apollo]
Truth be told, we obviously can't seem to deal with Eden/Earth, much
less afford to take on Mars, and we certainly can't put any physical
claims or extract benefits from our highly unusual Selene/moon, which
makes this another highly bogus topic.

I'll say. My analysis of the situation suggests that we're all
looking at the wrong planets. A couple of years ago I was convinced
that Jupiter and Saturn (and their moons) offered the best place to
situate human habitation. Fuel and water is plentiful, and the
Earth/Moon system close enough for support operations but far enough
away to offer a degree of socio-political freedom for resident/colonists.

Now we know that Saturn/Jupiter exploration and development is less
favorable as an end in itself than a way to make Pluto-Charon
operations more effective. Ten years ago we should have been
launching nuke-plants, tooling, and indispensable materials to low-
energy warehouse orbits around the Pluto-Charon system, via gravity
assist by intervening solar bodies. Existing proven launch vehicles
existed in 2000 to bootstrap the whole affair, with improving rocket
technology supporting the later manned missions.

But nooooooo! We had to have a recession instead.

And the great mutual ruse/sting of their mutually perpetrated cold-war
century continues, as though a white Zionist god and all of his
kingdom were on the same side of the USSR/USA coinage, the other side
depicting an unmentionable private body part at full erection.

We’re seeing such bogus topics posted that even a failing 5th grader
can easily interpret as to what a total crock of mainstream infowar
tactics is going on. Too bad that BHO is going to have little
budgetary option but to cut our NASA budget sown to the bone
(eliminating most everything except the most pressing terrestrial
related matters), thanks mostly to their corrupt politics and their
SEC approved Ponzi Madoff and Big Mother Ponzi AIG, because it’s all
situated in the nearest toilet.

Just checked GM stock, and lo and behold it's almost worth as much a
toilet paper, along with a number of other public bailout investments
going onto the nearest toilet. That's OK, because what's another
million of middle and upper class unemployed, plus at least another
half million of preexisting UAW retirements and seeing everyone’s
medical benefits trashed, all because of our corrupt and greedy UAW
and faith-based corrupted government agencies of loot and benefit
hording era. Chances of UAW and GM survival are looking grim, as
though now they got next to nothing outside of whatever chapter 7
manages to liquidate. Way to go warlord republicans and faith-based
puppet masters.

Besides chapter 11s, how many chapter 7s per business day are we
averaging?

Too many to count accurately.

The tanking economy's got it's hooks in your brain, Brad. Focus.


Robert Collins

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:35:26 +0000, Robert Collins wrote:

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 02:58:44PM -0700, BradGuth wrote: [Apollo]
Truth be told, we obviously can't seem to deal with Eden/Earth, much
less afford to take on Mars, and we certainly can't put any physical
claims or extract benefits from our highly unusual Selene/moon, which
makes this another highly bogus topic.

I'll say. My analysis of the situation suggests that we're all looking
at the wrong planets. A couple of years ago I was convinced that
Jupiter and Saturn (and their moons) offered the best place to situate
human habitation. Fuel and water is plentiful, and the Earth/Moon
system close enough for support operations but far enough away to offer
a degree of socio-political freedom for resident/colonists.

Energy wise & rocket wise, Mars is closer than the moon, but Jupiter is
WAY the heck out there.

It is a difficult paradigm shift; on earth the farther away things are,
the more difficult it is to get to them. Not so in astrodynamics! It has
to do with orbits and if the planet has an atmosphere that can be used to
aero-brake.

And there isn't much sunlight at Jupiter. Mars has 44% of the sunlight
that Earth gets. Mars is 1.6-1.4 AU, but Jupiter is 5-5.4 AU, so it gets
only 1/25 the sunlight. You're not going to grow plants in a greenhouse
out at Jupiter or beyond, and solar power is ruled out.

Marvin the Martian wrote:

:On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:30:13 -0700, Fred J. McCall wrote:
:
: (Derek Lyons) wrote:
:
: :Marvin the Martian wrote: :
: :This trying to sound smart by saying it can't be done is absurd. :
: :Learn to ****ing read you cretin. Nobody has said it can't be done. :
:
: Give it up, Derek. He seems to be just another loon, self-obsessed with
: his own ideas.
:
: He's not interested in anyone who actually thinks. They're heretics,
: you see, questioning his sermonizing from his own personal mount.
:
:I don't see you to buddies thinking.
:

Derek and I frequently don't get along, must less being 'buddies'. We
do both know, however, how to spell 'two'.

:
:At best, your contradictions can be called "mindless gibbering", or
:deranged ranting, but thinking....
:
:No.
:

You don't have any experience with 'thinking', so I'm not surprised
that you don't recognize it when it presents itself to you.

:
:If what you said about failure modes analysis was meaningless, why say it?
:

Just what did I say about failure mode analysis? Once you establish
that, show us where I said it was "meaningless".

:
:You just GIBBER to see yourselves on the internet. You produce verbal
:fecal matter, and then you wonder why people think you're stupid.
:

Sure. And you're doing what, again, other than try to convince
everyone you're an irredeemable loon? If it's any consolation to you,
you're well on your way to success at that, given your recent output.

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine

Marvin the Martian wrote:

:On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:05:01 +0000, Derek Lyons wrote:
:
: Marvin the Martian wrote:
:
:I came here to fish for people interested in Mars for my website.
:
: As they say, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. But the
: bull**** you pedal might attract a few too.
:
:
:People. Not apes.
:

Well, you're not gonna catch either like this. It's always nice when
your ilk self-identify, though.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

On Apr 24, 8:35*am, Robert Collins wrote:
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 02:58:44PM -0700, BradGuth wrote:

[Apollo]

Truth be told, we obviously can't seem to deal with Eden/Earth, much
less afford to take on Mars, and we certainly can't put any physical
claims or extract benefits from our highly unusual Selene/moon, which
makes this another highly bogus topic.

I'll say. *My analysis of the situation suggests that we're all
looking at the wrong planets. *A couple of years ago I was convinced
that Jupiter and Saturn (and their moons) offered the best place to
situate human habitation. *Fuel and water is plentiful, and the
Earth/Moon system close enough for support operations but far enough
away to offer a degree of socio-political freedom for resident/colonists.

Now we know that Saturn/Jupiter exploration and development is less
favorable as an end in itself than a way to make Pluto-Charon
operations more effective. *Ten years ago we should have been
launching nuke-plants, tooling, and indispensable materials to low-
energy warehouse orbits around the Pluto-Charon system, via gravity
assist by intervening solar bodies. *Existing proven launch vehicles
existed in 2000 to bootstrap the whole affair, with improving rocket
technology supporting the later manned missions.

But nooooooo! *We had to have a recession instead.



And the great mutual ruse/sting of their mutually perpetrated cold-war
century continues, as though a white Zionist god and all of his
kingdom were on the same side of the USSR/USA coinage, the other side
depicting an unmentionable private body part at full erection.

We’re seeing such bogus topics posted that even a failing 5th grader
can easily interpret as to what a total crock of mainstream infowar
tactics is going on. *Too bad that BHO is going to have little
budgetary option but to cut our NASA budget sown to the bone
(eliminating most everything except the most pressing terrestrial
related matters), thanks mostly to their corrupt politics and their
SEC approved Ponzi Madoff and Big Mother Ponzi AIG, because it’s all
situated in the nearest toilet.

Just checked GM stock, and lo and behold it's almost worth as much a
toilet paper, along with a number of other public bailout investments
going onto the nearest toilet. *That's OK, because what's another
million of middle and upper class unemployed, plus at least another
half million of preexisting UAW retirements and seeing everyone’s
medical benefits trashed, all because of our corrupt and greedy UAW
and faith-based corrupted government agencies of loot and benefit
hording era. *Chances of UAW and GM survival are looking grim, as
though now they got next to nothing outside of whatever chapter 7
manages to liquidate. *Way to go warlord republicans and faith-based
puppet masters.

Besides chapter 11s, how many chapter 7s per business day are we
averaging?

Too many to count accurately.

The tanking economy's got it's hooks in your brain, Brad. *Focus.

Robert Collins

I agree, far too many brain hooks.

My focus is upon Venus, and there's even good observationology reason
and cause for this. Secondly, there's much we can do with our Selene/
moon and its L1. Thirdly, we can eventually relocate our Selene/moon
out to Earth L1, because that'll cool us off.

~ BG

Marvin the Martian wrote:
:
:Energy wise & rocket wise, Mars is closer than the moon,
:

You've said this before. I've pointed out that the source you gave
doesn't agree with your claim. Go add it up for yourself.

--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:56:03 -0700, BradGuth wrote:

On Apr 24, 8:35Â*am, Robert Collins wrote:
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 02:58:44PM -0700, BradGuth wrote:

[Apollo]

Truth be told, we obviously can't seem to deal with Eden/Earth, much
less afford to take on Mars, and we certainly can't put any physical
claims or extract benefits from our highly unusual Selene/moon, which
makes this another highly bogus topic.

I'll say. Â*My analysis of the situation suggests that we're all looking
at the wrong planets. Â*A couple of years ago I was convinced that
Jupiter and Saturn (and their moons) offered the best place to situate
human habitation. Â*Fuel and water is plentiful, and the Earth/Moon
system close enough for support operations but far enough away to offer
a degree of socio-political freedom for resident/colonists.

Now we know that Saturn/Jupiter exploration and development is less
favorable as an end in itself than a way to make Pluto-Charon
operations more effective. Â*Ten years ago we should have been launching
nuke-plants, tooling, and indispensable materials to low- energy
warehouse orbits around the Pluto-Charon system, via gravity assist by
intervening solar bodies. Â*Existing proven launch vehicles existed in
2000 to bootstrap the whole affair, with improving rocket technology
supporting the later manned missions.

But nooooooo! Â*We had to have a recession instead.



And the great mutual ruse/sting of their mutually perpetrated
cold-war century continues, as though a white Zionist god and all of
his kingdom were on the same side of the USSR/USA coinage, the other
side depicting an unmentionable private body part at full erection.

We’re seeing such bogus topics posted that even a failing 5th grader
can easily interpret as to what a total crock of mainstream infowar
tactics is going on. Â*Too bad that BHO is going to have little
budgetary option but to cut our NASA budget sown to the bone
(eliminating most everything except the most pressing terrestrial
related matters), thanks mostly to their corrupt politics and their
SEC approved Ponzi Madoff and Big Mother Ponzi AIG, because it’s all
situated in the nearest toilet.

Just checked GM stock, and lo and behold it's almost worth as much a
toilet paper, along with a number of other public bailout investments
going onto the nearest toilet. Â*That's OK, because what's another
million of middle and upper class unemployed, plus at least another
half million of preexisting UAW retirements and seeing everyone’s
medical benefits trashed, all because of our corrupt and greedy UAW
and faith-based corrupted government agencies of loot and benefit
hording era. Â*Chances of UAW and GM survival are looking grim, as
though now they got next to nothing outside of whatever chapter 7
manages to liquidate. Â*Way to go warlord republicans and faith-based
puppet masters.

Besides chapter 11s, how many chapter 7s per business day are we
averaging?

Too many to count accurately.

The tanking economy's got it's hooks in your brain, Brad. Â*Focus.

Robert Collins

I agree, far too many brain hooks.

My focus is upon Venus, and there's even good observationology reason
and cause for this. Secondly, there's much we can do with our Selene/
moon and its L1. Thirdly, we can eventually relocate our Selene/moon
out to Earth L1, because that'll cool us off.

~ BG

You can't live on Venus... Too hot. It doesn't rotate like Earth, and the
pressure is too great. Venus is pretty much a pipe dream. Mars would be
much easier to colonize.

The last part, about moving the moon, that's gibberish.