Master Mathematician

Kepler described the laws of planetary motion in the early 1600's,
and The World Book Encyclopedia noted that these "are used to
determine the orbits of artificial satellites and to plan the flights
of spacecraft." In 1687, Newton published his famous laws of motion,
and these laws, "like Kepler's, form a cornerstone of space-flight
planning," said this encyclopedia. Why is this so?

Because by using these laws, humans can determine by mathematical
calculations where in space a particular body will be at a given time.
Such calculations are made possible by the consistent, ever predictable
movement of heavenly bodies, including the moon and the earth. The
moon, for example, speeds along in an orbit around the earth at an
average of 2,300 miles [3,700 km] per hour, completing its trip of
shortly less than a month with amazing predictability. The earth makes
its yearly trip around the sun, traveling some 66,600 miles
[107,200 km] per hour, with similar predictability.

Thus, when guiding flights to the moon, humans on the earth aim their
spacecraft at a point in space many thousands of miles ahead of the
orbiting moon. By various calculations they know exactly where the moon
is certain to be at the predetermined time. And if the spacecraft is
given proper direction and power, it will be at that spot too, making a
moon landing possible.

What makes such predictability in the movement of heavenly bodies
possible? The first American astronaut to orbit the earth, John Glenn,
exclaimed regarding the order in the universe: "Could this have just
happened? . . . I can't believe that." Then he added: "Some
Power put all this into orbit and keeps it there."

Space scientist Dr. Wernher von Braun, in awe of the laws governing
the universe, had this to say: "Manned space flight . . . has
opened for us thus far only a tiny door for viewing the awesome reaches
of space. Our outlook through this peephole at the vast mysteries of
the universe only confirms our belief in its creator."

Famous physicist P.A.M. Dirac, who was a professor of mathematics at
the University of Cambridge, concurred: "One could perhaps describe
the situation by saying that God is a mathematician of a very high
order, and He used very advanced mathematics in constructing the
universe."

Who is this Master Mathematician, this Supreme Intellect, responsible
for the marvels of creation?

Köi-Lö:

Who is this Master Mathematician, this Supreme Intellect, responsible
for the marvels of creation?

Or is it at all?
Just because some people say so doesn't mean this highest power exists. What
matters in the end is the evidence.

So what's yours?

--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...

My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus

Köi-Lö wrote:
Kepler described the laws of planetary motion in the early 1600's,
and The World Book Encyclopedia noted that these "are used to
determine the orbits of artificial satellites and to plan the flights
of spacecraft."

Your encyclopedia is wrong. Keplers' laws are a special case of the
solution to the two body problem of Newtonian theory of gravity. They
give no where near enough accuracy for most space probe work. For that
it is necessary to take full account of the relevant perturbing
influences to the spacecraft's trajectory. You also need to know how to
account for the effects of operating the spacecraft thrusters. Kepler's
laws are not much help with this at all. Kepler did not understand the
concept of inertia. Although I'm sure he would have learned about it
and understood if he had been on better terms with Galileo. Kepler was
probably one of, if not the best mathematician of his day.

In 1687, Newton published his famous laws of motion,
and these laws, "like Kepler's, form a cornerstone of space-flight
planning," said this encyclopedia. Why is this so?

You mean, unlike Kepler's laws, Newton's theory of gravity and motion
ARE the cornerstone of space-flight planning, except where cases of
utmost accuracy is needed and then relativistic effects must be taken
into account.


Because by using these laws, humans can determine by mathematical
calculations where in space a particular body will be at a given time.
Such calculations are made possible by the consistent, ever predictable
movement of heavenly bodies, including the moon and the earth. The
moon, for example, speeds along in an orbit around the earth at an
average of 2,300 miles [3,700 km] per hour, completing its trip of
shortly less than a month with amazing predictability. The earth makes
its yearly trip around the sun, traveling some 66,600 miles
[107,200 km] per hour, with similar predictability.

Thus, when guiding flights to the moon, humans on the earth aim their
spacecraft at a point in space many thousands of miles ahead of the
orbiting moon. By various calculations they know exactly where the moon
is certain to be at the predetermined time. And if the spacecraft is
given proper direction and power, it will be at that spot too, making a
moon landing possible.

It is no where near that simple. You have to burn your thrusters to get
into a useful lunar orbit. Figuring out how to do that without using up
all your fuel is the tricky part. Especially if you want to get back
home ;-).



What makes such predictability in the movement of heavenly bodies
possible?

Observation shows that the world works in a predictable way. We don't
have any other universe to compare with to see if anything else can be
possible.

The first American astronaut to orbit the earth, John Glenn,
exclaimed regarding the order in the universe: "Could this have just
happened? . . . I can't believe that."

Argument from personal incredulity. Assertion rejected.

Then he added: "Some
Power put all this into orbit and keeps it there."

Unsupported assertion. Rejected.


Space scientist Dr. Wernher von Braun, in awe of the laws governing
the universe, had this to say: "Manned space flight . . . has
opened for us thus far only a tiny door for viewing the awesome reaches
of space. Our outlook through this peephole at the vast mysteries of
the universe only confirms our belief in its creator."

Argument from awe. Rejected.


Famous physicist P.A.M. Dirac, who was a professor of mathematics at
the University of Cambridge, concurred: "One could perhaps describe
the situation by saying that God is a mathematician of a very high
order, and He used very advanced mathematics in constructing the
universe."

Demonstrate that a god exists. Then we will see if it is any good at
mathematics.
BTW when Dirac's friend Wolfgang Pauli was asked what Dirac had told
him his religious beliefs he replied:

"If I understand Dirac correctly, his meaning is this: there is no God,
and Dirac is his Prophet,"

It appears you are attempting to lie about Dirac's religious beliefs by
dishonest quote mining.


Who is this Master Mathematician, this Supreme Intellect, responsible
for the marvels of creation?

Begging the question fallacy rejected.

Bill

Newton merely algebraized Kepler's three orbital constraints,
which enabled Gauss to determine the orbit of Ceres,
using only three sightings (and I think,
the assumption that Earth's orbit is circular,
was close-enough for such determination .-)

NB: Gauss didn't bother with Newton's thing for that,
I assume. Newton's "laws" indeed are the two-body problem,
with the proviso that he stole the inverse-second-power "law"
from Hooke, whose portraits were burned by President N.

that quote about Dirac, sounds very Islamic!

Your encyclopedia is wrong. Keplers' laws are a special case of the
solution to the two body problem of Newtonian theory of gravity. They
give no where near enough accuracy for most space probe work. For that

You mean, unlike Kepler's laws, Newton's theory of gravity and motion
ARE the cornerstone of space-flight planning, except where cases of
utmost accuracy is needed and then relativistic effects must be taken
into account.

"If I understand Dirac correctly, his meaning is this: there is no God,
and Dirac is his Prophet,"

this just in:
yesterday's (Tues,. Nov.15) *UCLA Daily Bruin* finally noted that
darfur is entirely Muslim, though downplaying it AMAP.

thus:
Dick Cheeny, Don Rumsfeld and Osama bin Latin form a mission
to Darfur, to prevent a war instead of to start one:
if Darfur is "100% Muslim," then
what's really going on, there?
is it just aother British Quag for USA soldiers to get bogged
into, with Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan et al ad vomitorium,
under auspices of the UN and NATO?

why won't the Bruin publish the fact of Islam on the ground,
therein?

thus:
Why doesn't the [UCLA Daily] Bruin report that
Darfur's populace is "100%" Muslim,
according to the DAC's sponsor,
Terry Saunders?...
"99%" was the figure given
by Brian Steidle, when I finally found
him at the Hammer, after everyone else
had left (he, his friend & I were the
very last to leave!)...
What could it possibly mean?

--The Other Side (if it exists)

On 23 Nov 2006 19:12:25 -0800, "Köi-Lö"
wrote:

Who is this Master Mathematician, this Supreme Intellect, responsible
for the marvels of creation?

The physical constants of the universe.

Köi-Lö wrote:

Who is this Master Mathematician, this Supreme Intellect, responsible
for the marvels of creation?

As it says in Ecclesiastes 3:11

He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity
in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from
beginning to end.

Köi-Lö wrote:
snip
Who is this Master Mathematician, this Supreme Intellect, responsible
for the marvels of creation?

Sweet. I just consulted with the god Mercury and he says he does not obey
the laws of Kepler, Newton or your god.
He told me that those laws don't apply to him. Oddly enough he also said
that your GPS worships him.

Mike Painter wrote:
Köi-Lö wrote:
snip
Who is this Master Mathematician, this Supreme Intellect, responsible
for the marvels of creation?

Sweet. I just consulted with the god Mercury and he says he does not obey
the laws of Kepler, Newton or your god.
He told me that those laws don't apply to him. Oddly enough he also said
that your GPS worships him.

;-).

The cretinists just don't seem to be able to comprehend that scientific
laws are descriptive and not prescriptive. I suspect it is because
their minds are programmed to accept without question what their source
of authority, preacher or buybull says. They see the word law used in
science and stupidly think that it means a hard rule laid down by some
sort of authority. Your example of Mercury is spot on because Newton's
"laws", fail to account for the details of Mercury's orbit.

Bill

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Mike Painter wrote:
Köi-Lö wrote:
snip
Who is this Master Mathematician, this Supreme Intellect, responsible
for the marvels of creation?

Köi-Lö wrote:
Kepler described the laws of planetary motion in the early 1600's,
and The World Book Encyclopedia noted that these "are used to
determine the orbits of artificial satellites and to plan the flights
of spacecraft." In 1687, Newton published his famous laws of motion,
and these laws, "like Kepler's, form a cornerstone of space-flight
planning," said this encyclopedia. Why is this so?

Because by using these laws, humans can determine by mathematical
calculations where in space a particular body will be at a given time.
Such calculations are made possible by the consistent, ever predictable
movement of heavenly bodies, including the moon and the earth. The
moon, for example, speeds along in an orbit around the earth at an
average of 2,300 miles [3,700 km] per hour, completing its trip of
shortly less than a month with amazing predictability. The earth makes
its yearly trip around the sun, traveling some 66,600 miles
[107,200 km] per hour, with similar predictability.

Thus, when guiding flights to the moon, humans on the earth aim their
spacecraft at a point in space many thousands of miles ahead of the
orbiting moon. By various calculations they know exactly where the moon
is certain to be at the predetermined time. And if the spacecraft is
given proper direction and power, it will be at that spot too, making a
moon landing possible.

What makes such predictability in the movement of heavenly bodies
possible? The first American astronaut to orbit the earth, John Glenn,
exclaimed regarding the order in the universe: "Could this have just
happened? . . . I can't believe that." Then he added: "Some
Power put all this into orbit and keeps it there."

Space scientist Dr. Wernher von Braun, in awe of the laws governing
the universe, had this to say: "Manned space flight . . . has
opened for us thus far only a tiny door for viewing the awesome reaches
of space. Our outlook through this peephole at the vast mysteries of
the universe only confirms our belief in its creator."

Famous physicist P.A.M. Dirac, who was a professor of mathematics at
the University of Cambridge, concurred: "One could perhaps describe
the situation by saying that God is a mathematician of a very high
order, and He used very advanced mathematics in constructing the
universe."

Who is this Master Mathematician, this Supreme Intellect, responsible
for the marvels of creation?
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Beautifully put, brother! Or as the well-known argument for the
existence of god(s) goes:

(1) There're lots of things I don't know and I don't understand;

(2) I'm too lazy/stupid (choose the correct one) to begin studying and
trying to understand any of those things;

(3) Ergo god(s) exist(s).

Voila!
Tonio