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October 3rd 06, 11:39 AM
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GLOBAL WARMING
A view from the True Geology
********************************** Regarding a recent article in Courrier Mail on Equinox day Here is copy of my comments sent to the Editor AUSTRALIA FACING WORST FIRE SEASON', Sirs, One important aspect of the global warming is not considered and cannot be considered in light of present fraudulent & misleading Geology theories, implying indeed a stability of Earth upon present orbit since alleged creation there. ( Incidentally there is a complete consensus between Sectarians & Big Bang Creationists on that particular point) Well, it is not so and the direct consequences of the global warming are an irreversible drift on the Ecliptic generating on the one hand an increase in the De Coriolis forces with consequences of higher vortex speed of tornadoes & cyclones ( to reach soon 400 km/h); and on the other hand a irremediable loss of air in outer atmosphere, which loss the alchemy of rocks into water is unable to compensate ... with then the lower pressure of fresh water in aquifers, its depletion and the invasion of seas under continents. All such aspects of the whole Geology problem cannot be even considered by present Universities brain-washed alleged scientists since implying firstly an approach based on the UPL ( Universal Pressure Law) corner stone indeed of the True Geology and secondly a synthesis approach which is complete opposition to the ultra specialisation of Universities, conducting indeed the mind formatted & programmed alleged scientists to tunnel vision and painfully narrow mindedness. As a final comment, it goes without saying that concerning both Mankind & Earth past, that accepted theories in Geology are both painfully infantile & misleading indeed. There was never indeed any Glaciations nor Glacial Ages and the alleged proofs of it presented by blinded fools are just the proofs of direct application of the laws of Physics of fluid applied upon etero-sedimentations, Mountain building in a matter of hours & coherent indeed with the UPL, a time column which must be referenced to the different positions of Earth upon Ecliptic since birth from Mother star & its consecutive drift etc Incidentally the alleged evolution proposed by failed medical student Darwin is in fact a permanent adaptation to reduced Cosmic pressure environnement... In matter pertaining to real science, one should remember that Simplicity is the key to Verity ...and in my view the drought & bushfires are the cosnequences of ignorance & comptempt for Nature laws. In this regard present fire season as I see it, could well infringe into city and cut wide swathes of destruction into Perth, Melbourne or Sydney. Yours faithfully Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant Mobile +33 650 171 464 Australia Mining Pioneer Founder of the True Geology http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/turcaud.htm http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm 
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October 3rd 06, 01:19 PM
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GLOBAL WARMING
"sir.jpturcaud" wrote in message
ups.com In matter pertaining to real science, one should remember that Simplicity is the key to Verity ...and in my view the drought & bushfires are the cosnequences of ignorance & comptempt for Nature laws. In this regard present fire season as I see it, could well infringe into city and cut wide swathes of destruction into Perth, Melbourne or Sydney. Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant Mobile +33 650 171 464 Australia Mining Pioneer Founder of the True Geology http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/turcaud.htm http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm As per usual, you are being directly correct, that man's disregard for our environment is multi-fold at nailing our own butts to the cross. However, Earth has also been getting mooned by a great deal of geophysical interaction, and even by way of a little spare IR/FIR energy, that which simply didn't exist prior to the last ice age. Earth w/o moon, w/o moon god and with less magnetosphe Firstly, I'd have to agree with many that Earth is not only quite a rare but a rather damn lucky planet, especially since the gods of 'dumb luck happenstance' gave us such a nifty moon (perhaps having also contributed Venus from Sirius), hosting the right amount of salty ice and representing just enough mascon/tidal energy to gradually thaw Earth once and for all out from those deep cycles of having been so extensively sub-frozen to death. However, making a go of it without such a moon seems somewhat worse off than merely remaining as extra cold and testy, whereas I'm thinking our Earth would have remained extensively ice covered to nearly the 30 degree mark, of winters being absolutely horrific and of unbroken sea-ice due to having so much less tidal differentials, other than a slight solar tidal influence that simply wouldn't have represented all that much. Even though our global warming avenger "Roger Coppock" that's up against the likes of most others as having been the typical all-knowing Usenet naysayers of denial being in denial, whereas our Roger may seem a little dumbfounded about the arrival of our somewhat salty and most likely icy proto-moon of perhaps as great as 4000 km worth, that may have been originally situated somewhat Sedna like, and simply affected by some other impacting arrivals or greater mascon encounter as having a sufficient influence. This external influence would have caused the orbital diversion that brought us together, such as via the Sirius star/solar system which I believe gets visited by our solar system roughly every 105,000 years (more frequently in the distent past). After all, Sedna itself gets to within 76 AU as is, and as such it would not take all that much of an impact in order to cause that icy orb to head directly our way, whereas if it were otherwise being dragged along and/or intentionally deployed by an even greater mascon (such as Venus) is only so much better yet. Obviously something if not several extremely large items had impacted our once upon a time icy moon, and quite possibly there's at least one such impact that may have left it's mark in Earth as perhaps representing the arctic ocean basin, as our arriving moon delivered a glancing sucker punch of a blow to our extensively icy world. All that Henry Kroll and myself can say with any reasonable certainty is that our moon wasn't with us prior to 10,500 BC. However, I'd be very interested to narrow that down to a specific decade or even a century, whereas if Earth had been impacted by the arrival of such an icy moon, chances are that most of the early human intelligent life upon Earth went as deep as possible into hiding, as I would have, and I'd suppose that the climate of Earth would have remained as somewhat nasty and clouded over for a few centuries thereafter, which might further explain as to why it took so long before that moon of ours to became noticed for what it was. Come to think (just a little further outside the box), our magnetosphere might not have been nearly as extensive until after that Earth/moon encounter. We've certainly been losing our magnetosphere potency by a good .05%/yr, which might actually help us to establish the initial timeline of the big event, of exactly when that moon of our impacted us. - Our moon is geophysically via mascon/tidal friction warming Earth rather nicely as of the last ice age. As to what exact extent these gravitational forces of such mascon induced tidal currents above and below the surface are being converted into thermal energy may remain a little fuzzy, but never the less it's an ongoing global warming factor of such fuzzy logic that's telling us what's perfectly real and happening to us, that's well above and beyond the ongoing impact of modern humanity that has been clearly adding further trauma to our environment. Up until this last ice age, Earth's environment simply didn't have to contend with that nearby moon of ours as of prior to 10,500 BC, just that of our 100,000 and some odd year orbit of Sirius. If there were a moon prior to 10,500 BC, as such it would have been included within many of the artistic renderings of those tens of centuries of talented artistic and otherwise serious records of those ice age and prior times when humans had existed, and were otherwise good at depicting all that was important to their survival. Some other research placed the earliest depictions of a moon as late as 2000 BC, and for some odd reason in never became a god moon. Here's my two ballpark estimates of mascon/tidal warming that's roughly between 0.01% and 0.1% of the 2e20 J / 9.80665 = 2.0395e19 kgf. It could be a little greater, but it most certainly isn't anything much less than the 0.01% mark. 0.1% of the associated 2e20 Joules = 390 w/m2 (plus whatever secondary IR/FIR) 0.01% of the associated 2e20 Joules = 39 w/m2 (plus whatever secondary IR/FIR) Total change in greenhouse forcing from 1985 to 2004, we get 9.35 w/m2. http://www.worldclimatereport.com/in...under-the-sun/ Current Man-made Greenhouse Forcing to be 2.4 - 4.3 W/m2, Compared with 7.5 - 10 W/m2 Needed for Change of Seasons http://www.globalwarming.net/index.p...62&Itemi d=27 Of course the really big guns of G8 remain in total denial, other than having insisted it's all the fault of Muslims. There's lots of other data that's nicely compiled by wikipedia.org, such as the 11 year solar cycle that's worth +/- 0.05% or possibly at most +/- 0.1% of solar irradiance, which pretty much eliminates that source of being the problem. Whereas the global dimming via soot and particle factors may be the ultimate culprit that diminishes our global albedo to a sufficient extent that can be directly measured from space on a year by year basis, and best yet as measured from our moon's L1 or alternately via ACE that's halo parked in Earth's L1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming Therefore, on behalf of global warming, I'm giving humanity as little credit as having a 10% responsibility, and that nasty moon of ours gets the other 90% which only seems most likely, especially since the energy cycle of having made warm waters to sub-frozen ice and then ice back into warm water is so freaking horrific, especially if we're taking the km3 volumes of said ice and frozen tundra into account. At the very most I'd be giving humanity 25% responsibility for this ongoing global warming fiasco, although either way of being 25% or as little as 10% is still entirely worth our doing something about, such as cutting that artificial impact in half seems perfectly doable, and as such it's way more than beneficial in so many other positive ways, other than moderating our fair share of this never ending cycle of global warming via human pollution and arrogance. That is unless you're perfectly good with your next 'Happy Meal' being a McJellyfish sandwich, or perhaps biofuel via farmed jellyfish could actually work. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG
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October 3rd 06, 07:24 PM
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GLOBAL WARMING
Brad Guth a écrit : "sir.jpturcaud" wrote in message ups.com In matter pertaining to real science, one should remember that Simplicity is the key to Verity ...and in my view the drought & bushfires are the cosnequences of ignorance & comptempt for Nature laws. In this regard present fire season as I see it, could well infringe into city and cut wide swathes of destruction into Perth, Melbourne or Sydney. Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant Mobile +33 650 171 464 Australia Mining Pioneer Founder of the True Geology http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/turcaud.htm http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm As per usual, you are being directly correct, that man's disregard for our environment is multi-fold at nailing our own butts to the cross. However, Earth has also been getting mooned by a great deal of geophysical interaction, and even by way of a little spare IR/FIR energy, that which simply didn't exist prior to the last ice age. Earth w/o moon, w/o moon god and with less magnetosphe Firstly, I'd have to agree with many that Earth is not only quite a rare but a rather damn lucky planet, especially since the gods of 'dumb luck happenstance' gave us such a nifty moon (perhaps having also contributed Venus from Sirius), hosting the right amount of salty ice and representing just enough mascon/tidal energy to gradually thaw Earth once and for all out from those deep cycles of having been so extensively sub-frozen to death. However, making a go of it without such a moon seems somewhat worse off than merely remaining as extra cold and testy, whereas I'm thinking our Earth would have remained extensively ice covered to nearly the 30 degree mark, of winters being absolutely horrific and of unbroken sea-ice due to having so much less tidal differentials, other than a slight solar tidal influence that simply wouldn't have represented all that much. Even though our global warming avenger "Roger Coppock" that's up against the likes of most others as having been the typical all-knowing Usenet naysayers of denial being in denial, whereas our Roger may seem a little dumbfounded about the arrival of our somewhat salty and most likely icy proto-moon of perhaps as great as 4000 km worth, that may have been originally situated somewhat Sedna like, and simply affected by some other impacting arrivals or greater mascon encounter as having a sufficient influence. This external influence would have caused the orbital diversion that brought us together, such as via the Sirius star/solar system which I believe gets visited by our solar system roughly every 105,000 years (more frequently in the distent past). After all, Sedna itself gets to within 76 AU as is, and as such it would not take all that much of an impact in order to cause that icy orb to head directly our way, whereas if it were otherwise being dragged along and/or intentionally deployed by an even greater mascon (such as Venus) is only so much better yet. Obviously something if not several extremely large items had impacted our once upon a time icy moon, and quite possibly there's at least one such impact that may have left it's mark in Earth as perhaps representing the arctic ocean basin, as our arriving moon delivered a glancing sucker punch of a blow to our extensively icy world. All that Henry Kroll and myself can say with any reasonable certainty is that our moon wasn't with us prior to 10,500 BC. However, I'd be very interested to narrow that down to a specific decade or even a century, whereas if Earth had been impacted by the arrival of such an icy moon, chances are that most of the early human intelligent life upon Earth went as deep as possible into hiding, as I would have, and I'd suppose that the climate of Earth would have remained as somewhat nasty and clouded over for a few centuries thereafter, which might further explain as to why it took so long before that moon of ours to became noticed for what it was. Come to think (just a little further outside the box), our magnetosphere might not have been nearly as extensive until after that Earth/moon encounter. We've certainly been losing our magnetosphere potency by a good .05%/yr, which might actually help us to establish the initial timeline of the big event, of exactly when that moon of our impacted us. - Our moon is geophysically via mascon/tidal friction warming Earth rather nicely as of the last ice age. As to what exact extent these gravitational forces of such mascon induced tidal currents above and below the surface are being converted into thermal energy may remain a little fuzzy, but never the less it's an ongoing global warming factor of such fuzzy logic that's telling us what's perfectly real and happening to us, that's well above and beyond the ongoing impact of modern humanity that has been clearly adding further trauma to our environment. Up until this last ice age, Earth's environment simply didn't have to contend with that nearby moon of ours as of prior to 10,500 BC, just that of our 100,000 and some odd year orbit of Sirius. If there were a moon prior to 10,500 BC, as such it would have been included within many of the artistic renderings of those tens of centuries of talented artistic and otherwise serious records of those ice age and prior times when humans had existed, and were otherwise good at depicting all that was important to their survival. Some other research placed the earliest depictions of a moon as late as 2000 BC, and for some odd reason in never became a god moon. Here's my two ballpark estimates of mascon/tidal warming that's roughly between 0.01% and 0.1% of the 2e20 J / 9.80665 = 2.0395e19 kgf. It could be a little greater, but it most certainly isn't anything much less than the 0.01% mark. 0.1% of the associated 2e20 Joules = 390 w/m2 (plus whatever secondary IR/FIR) 0.01% of the associated 2e20 Joules = 39 w/m2 (plus whatever secondary IR/FIR) Total change in greenhouse forcing from 1985 to 2004, we get 9.35 w/m2. http://www.worldclimatereport.com/in...under-the-sun/ Current Man-made Greenhouse Forcing to be 2.4 - 4.3 W/m2, Compared with 7.5 - 10 W/m2 Needed for Change of Seasons http://www.globalwarming.net/index.p...62&Itemi d=27 Of course the really big guns of G8 remain in total denial, other than having insisted it's all the fault of Muslims. There's lots of other data that's nicely compiled by wikipedia.org, such as the 11 year solar cycle that's worth +/- 0.05% or possibly at most +/- 0.1% of solar irradiance, which pretty much eliminates that source of being the problem. Whereas the global dimming via soot and particle factors may be the ultimate culprit that diminishes our global albedo to a sufficient extent that can be directly measured from space on a year by year basis, and best yet as measured from our moon's L1 or alternately via ACE that's halo parked in Earth's L1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming Therefore, on behalf of global warming, I'm giving humanity as little credit as having a 10% responsibility, and that nasty moon of ours gets the other 90% which only seems most likely, especially since the energy cycle of having made warm waters to sub-frozen ice and then ice back into warm water is so freaking horrific, especially if we're taking the km3 volumes of said ice and frozen tundra into account. At the very most I'd be giving humanity 25% responsibility for this ongoing global warming fiasco, although either way of being 25% or as little as 10% is still entirely worth our doing something about, such as cutting that artificial impact in half seems perfectly doable, and as such it's way more than beneficial in so many other positive ways, other than moderating our fair share of this never ending cycle of global warming via human pollution and arrogance. That is unless you're perfectly good with your next 'Happy Meal' being a McJellyfish sandwich, or perhaps biofuel via farmed jellyfish could actually work. - Brad Guth Dear Brad, Thanks for your reply re the Earth - Moon collision. That awareness is somewhat so extraordinary that it should be noted & publicly praised. That's a good step forward on the road to True Geology indeed ! What's lacking to your background to make sence of it all, is an accointance to the foundation stone of the True Geology which is the UPL or Universal Pressure Law. You would understand then where the last moon impacting took place upon Earth and what were the awful consequences of it !!! ( incidently this explain why nearly no dust were found upon the Moon in its exploration ) Any idea ? By the way you are not far off regarding the date of that Moon impact since it is close to 11 700 years ago, and the datation has been transmitted to us via Maneton, Solon on the one hand and it is established in Sothic years indeed ... which as you know of course is based on the revolution of Sirius, which was the calendar standard of pre-dynastic Egypt .... on the other hand such confirmation comes from other quarters and particularly from the Aztec calendar as deciphered by the R.P Brasseur de Bourbourg and transmitted in his major works : 1) Histoire des nations civilisées du Mexique et de l'Amérique Centrale 2) Du Méxique aux monuments Egyptiens Once accointed again with the UPL, you will understand why the last Alpine Orogenesis took only in a few hours to be developped to present higest altitude of the Himalaya, Alps, Rockies, Andies ( in application of the Pascalian Priniples ) and why all main chute in the world can be all dated back to that very precise time period Again you will understand what were another consequence of such terrible impact though an observation which is valid world wide, and which the True Geology calls the THE CYCLONIC GRANULOMETRIC PATTERN OF PLEISTOCENE SEDIMENTATION" Any idea what that observation of the True Geology means ? as Sir Don Findlay caustically obsrved : Quote People see in things only what they want to see ... .... and they want to see only what they know !!! Endquote With best regards jp -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG
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October 8th 06, 01:49 AM
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"sir.jpturcaud" wrote in message
ups.com Dear Brad, Thanks for your reply re the Earth - Moon collision. That awareness is somewhat so extraordinary that it should be noted & publicly praised. That's a good step forward on the road to True Geology indeed ! That icy proto-moon most likely had a Titan like atmosphere, and Earth had something more robust than it's currently wussy 1 bar of atmosphere to work with. The initial and subsequent glancing blows may have been at a fairly low angle and of a somewhat low velocity of a few km/s. Do you have a super-computer, plus one of those multi-body 3D simulators at your disposal? What's lacking to your background to make sence of it all, is an accointance to the foundation stone of the True Geology which is the UPL or Universal Pressure Law. That's exactly where your wizardly expertise comes into play. I'll have to see what I can learn of your UPL. You would understand then where the last moon impacting took place upon Earth and what were the awful consequences of it !!! ( incidently this explain why nearly no dust were found upon the Moon in its exploration ) Any idea ? Other than via remote satellite efforts, what moon explorations are you talking about? There's still lots of thick dust on that naked/anticathode and somewhat salty moon of ours. I'm thinking that the initial or perhaps at least from a good secondary impact was what created the arctic ocean basin. Other significant imprints of a moon like impact seem entirely possible, and it may explain as to why so much of modern humanity had somewhat re-started itself after that sort of horrific impact shook so much of Earth to near death. What do you think a few teratonnes of salty moon icebergs accomplished upon their impacting Earth? By the way you are not far off regarding the date of that Moon impact since it is close to 11 700 years ago, and the datation has been transmitted to us via Maneton, Solon on the one hand and it is established in Sothic years indeed ... which as you know of course is based on the revolution of Sirius, which was the calendar standard of pre-dynastic Egypt .... on the other hand such confirmation comes from other quarters and particularly from the Aztec calendar as deciphered by the R.P Brasseur de Bourbourg and transmitted in his major works : 1) Histoire des nations civilisées du Mexique et de l'Amérique Centrale 2) Du Méxique aux monuments Egyptiens I'm impressed, and could stand to learn a touch more if it's not asking too much. If I search for those factors of our moon impacting Earth, I'd suppose there'd be further information that I could use in support of my Global Warming via moon arguments. Once accointed again with the UPL, you will understand why the last Alpine Orogenesis took only in a few hours to be developped to present higest altitude of the Himalaya, Alps, Rockies, Andies ( in application of the Pascalian Priniples ) and why all main chute in the world can be all dated back to that very precise time period Again you will understand what were another consequence of such terrible impact though an observation which is valid world wide, and which the True Geology calls the THE CYCLONIC GRANULOMETRIC PATTERN OF PLEISTOCENE SEDIMENTATION" Any idea what that observation of the True Geology means ? Not actually, but I'm certainly willing to learn if you're willing to teach yet another village idiot that isn't quite buying into that rad-hard moon walking thing. as Sir Don Findlay caustically obsrved : Quote People see in things only what they want to see ... ... and they want to see only what they know !!! Endquote You must be thinking of our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush), and of all those WMD that clearly never existed. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG
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October 8th 06, 11:06 AM
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Nice try, Brad, you know of course that Turdball is totally insane?
Saul Levy On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 00:49:48 +0000 (UTC), "Brad Guth" wrote: "sir.jpturcaud" wrote in message oups.com Dear Brad, Thanks for your reply re the Earth - Moon collision. That awareness is somewhat so extraordinary that it should be noted & publicly praised. That's a good step forward on the road to True Geology indeed ! That icy proto-moon most likely had a Titan like atmosphere, and Earth had something more robust than it's currently wussy 1 bar of atmosphere to work with. The initial and subsequent glancing blows may have been at a fairly low angle and of a somewhat low velocity of a few km/s. Do you have a super-computer, plus one of those multi-body 3D simulators at your disposal? What's lacking to your background to make sence of it all, is an accointance to the foundation stone of the True Geology which is the UPL or Universal Pressure Law. That's exactly where your wizardly expertise comes into play. I'll have to see what I can learn of your UPL. You would understand then where the last moon impacting took place upon Earth and what were the awful consequences of it !!! ( incidently this explain why nearly no dust were found upon the Moon in its exploration ) Any idea ? Other than via remote satellite efforts, what moon explorations are you talking about? There's still lots of thick dust on that naked/anticathode and somewhat salty moon of ours. I'm thinking that the initial or perhaps at least from a good secondary impact was what created the arctic ocean basin. Other significant imprints of a moon like impact seem entirely possible, and it may explain as to why so much of modern humanity had somewhat re-started itself after that sort of horrific impact shook so much of Earth to near death. What do you think a few teratonnes of salty moon icebergs accomplished upon their impacting Earth? By the way you are not far off regarding the date of that Moon impact since it is close to 11 700 years ago, and the datation has been transmitted to us via Maneton, Solon on the one hand and it is established in Sothic years indeed ... which as you know of course is based on the revolution of Sirius, which was the calendar standard of pre-dynastic Egypt .... on the other hand such confirmation comes from other quarters and particularly from the Aztec calendar as deciphered by the R.P Brasseur de Bourbourg and transmitted in his major works : 1) Histoire des nations civilisées du Mexique et de l'Amérique Centrale 2) Du Méxique aux monuments Egyptiens I'm impressed, and could stand to learn a touch more if it's not asking too much. If I search for those factors of our moon impacting Earth, I'd suppose there'd be further information that I could use in support of my Global Warming via moon arguments. Once accointed again with the UPL, you will understand why the last Alpine Orogenesis took only in a few hours to be developped to present higest altitude of the Himalaya, Alps, Rockies, Andies ( in application of the Pascalian Priniples ) and why all main chute in the world can be all dated back to that very precise time period Again you will understand what were another consequence of such terrible impact though an observation which is valid world wide, and which the True Geology calls the THE CYCLONIC GRANULOMETRIC PATTERN OF PLEISTOCENE SEDIMENTATION" Any idea what that observation of the True Geology means ? Not actually, but I'm certainly willing to learn if you're willing to teach yet another village idiot that isn't quite buying into that rad-hard moon walking thing. as Sir Don Findlay caustically obsrved : Quote People see in things only what they want to see ... ... and they want to see only what they know !!! Endquote You must be thinking of our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush), and of all those WMD that clearly never existed. - Brad Guth
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October 8th 06, 02:17 PM
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"Saul Levy" wrote in message
Nice try, Brad, you know of course that Turdball is totally insane? So was Jesus Christ, and just look at what his own kind allowed to happen that otherwise nice Jewboy. What exactly do you folks have planned for Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud? MANKIND IS THE LOWEST FORM OF INTELLIGENCE IN THE UNIVERSE !!! ~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ~~ http://www.gatago.com/fr/soc/economie/13500791.html "and that Humanity is a complete embarrassment to all the superior Beings all the way to Sirius ß", and I's say then some. Whereas I'd have to agree that it's highly unlikely there is a more dumb and dumber nor more lethal species of systematically dumbfounded intelligence to be found within the entire universe, than right here on good old Earth. If Earth is supposedly of 4.5 billion and the universe is of 14 billions (not including whatever cosmic cycles, such as the 225 million year galactic clock of our own Milky Way), http://www.edpsciences.org/papers/aa...R20030959.html "The last orbit of the observed stars in their motion around the Galactic Centre (GC). Each orbit takes about 225 million years. The movie shows that the stars have travelled extensively in the disk of the Milky Way before converging into the small volume where we observe them today. The Sun is marked by a blue dot; its orbit by the white curve." in which case there's a good 10 billion of years for other civilizations of higher evolved and/or of whatever ET/4H intelligently designed species to have become more intellectually and scientifically advanced than that of our highly bigoted pile of rocks that'll obviously believe in anything currently perpetrated by their social/religious cultism, rather than accepting the geological and biological truth that's been before their own dumbfounded eyes, banishing the likes of Ed Conrad, Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud and myself as though allowing yet another human sacrifice to their pagan god(s) is their one and only alternative. No wonder the likes of even a perfectly good jewboy like Jesus Christ got put on a stick at the request of their own kind, and that similar Cathars got exterminated at the bloody hands of a Pope. So where's the outer limit as to whatever's next. All I've seen within Usenet and of whatever's getting mainstream published and thereby institutionally promoted are the boat loads of the socially cultivated and religiously molded souls of bigotry, arrogance and above all else is good old reliable greed and/or the power taken by those intent upon controlling all that's possible, and that obviously has to include a good portions of the atheistic born-again collectives of pagan souls having made their own rules and conditional laws in order to suit their infomercial history and infomercial science, whereas I've seen more than my fair share of such perpetrators as liars that only beget other lies upon lies in order to suit their naysayism and of their ulterior motives and hidden agendas, whereas no amount of collateral damage and carnage upon the innocent seems unworthy of accomplishing their ultimate quest, and we talking of where remorse isn't even the slightest part of their bible/koran. Such intellectual fornacating as based upon whatever suits their mainstream status quo is about all that actually matters. For others and myself to be suggesting that the regular laws of physics and of the best available science having anything to do with an icy proto-moon giving Earth a sucker punch as of roughly 9,706 BC (11,700 years ago), that's suggesting all of geological hell broke lose upon Earth shortly thereafter, and that for a good century of most life having to recover from that horrific trauma of such an icy moon having impacted Earth, as would be expected is obviously asking too much from such a closed mindset that's too dumbfounded to save their own butts and much less their own world from their own kind. Suggesting any notions that an icy proto-moon as having provided an ideal interstellar transporter on behalf ET/panspermia, such as that of having accommodated the Dropas/Dzopas, is clearly outside of Usenet's outer limits of what can even get openly discussed as an honest what-if. ~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ~~ isn't even representing the tip of the intellectual incest iceberg of most terrestrial life as we know it. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG
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Brad Guth a écrit : "sir.jpturcaud" wrote in message ups.com In matter pertaining to real science, one should remember that Simplicity is the key to Verity ...and in my view the drought & bushfires are the cosnequences of ignorance & comptempt for Nature laws. In this regard present fire season as I see it, could well infringe into city and cut wide swathes of destruction into Perth, Melbourne or Sydney. Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant Mobile +33 650 171 464 Australia Mining Pioneer Founder of the True Geology http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/turcaud.htm http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm As per usual, you are being directly correct, that man's disregard for our environment is multi-fold at nailing our own butts to the cross. However, Earth has also been getting mooned by a great deal of geophysical interaction, and even by way of a little spare IR/FIR energy, that which simply didn't exist prior to the last ice age. Earth w/o moon, w/o moon god and with less magnetosphe Firstly, I'd have to agree with many that Earth is not only quite a rare but a rather damn lucky planet, especially since the gods of 'dumb luck happenstance' gave us such a nifty moon (perhaps having also contributed Venus from Sirius), hosting the right amount of salty ice and representing just enough mascon/tidal energy to gradually thaw Earth once and for all out from those deep cycles of having been so extensively sub-frozen to death. However, making a go of it without such a moon seems somewhat worse off than merely remaining as extra cold and testy, whereas I'm thinking our Earth would have remained extensively ice covered to nearly the 30 degree mark, of winters being absolutely horrific and of unbroken sea-ice due to having so much less tidal differentials, other than a slight solar tidal influence that simply wouldn't have represented all that much. Even though our global warming avenger "Roger Coppock" that's up against the likes of most others as having been the typical all-knowing Usenet naysayers of denial being in denial, whereas our Roger may seem a little dumbfounded about the arrival of our somewhat salty and most likely icy proto-moon of perhaps as great as 4000 km worth, that may have been originally situated somewhat Sedna like, and simply affected by some other impacting arrivals or greater mascon encounter as having a sufficient influence. This external influence would have caused the orbital diversion that brought us together, such as via the Sirius star/solar system which I believe gets visited by our solar system roughly every 105,000 years (more frequently in the distent past). After all, Sedna itself gets to within 76 AU as is, and as such it would not take all that much of an impact in order to cause that icy orb to head directly our way, whereas if it were otherwise being dragged along and/or intentionally deployed by an even greater mascon (such as Venus) is only so much better yet. Obviously something if not several extremely large items had impacted our once upon a time icy moon, and quite possibly there's at least one such impact that may have left it's mark in Earth as perhaps representing the arctic ocean basin, as our arriving moon delivered a glancing sucker punch of a blow to our extensively icy world. All that Henry Kroll and myself can say with any reasonable certainty is that our moon wasn't with us prior to 10,500 BC. However, I'd be very interested to narrow that down to a specific decade or even a century, whereas if Earth had been impacted by the arrival of such an icy moon, chances are that most of the early human intelligent life upon Earth went as deep as possible into hiding, as I would have, and I'd suppose that the climate of Earth would have remained as somewhat nasty and clouded over for a few centuries thereafter, which might further explain as to why it took so long before that moon of ours to became noticed for what it was. Come to think (just a little further outside the box), our magnetosphere might not have been nearly as extensive until after that Earth/moon encounter. We've certainly been losing our magnetosphere potency by a good .05%/yr, which might actually help us to establish the initial timeline of the big event, of exactly when that moon of our impacted us. - Our moon is geophysically via mascon/tidal friction warming Earth rather nicely as of the last ice age. As to what exact extent these gravitational forces of such mascon induced tidal currents above and below the surface are being converted into thermal energy may remain a little fuzzy, but never the less it's an ongoing global warming factor of such fuzzy logic that's telling us what's perfectly real and happening to us, that's well above and beyond the ongoing impact of modern humanity that has been clearly adding further trauma to our environment. Up until this last ice age, Earth's environment simply didn't have to contend with that nearby moon of ours as of prior to 10,500 BC, just that of our 100,000 and some odd year orbit of Sirius. If there were a moon prior to 10,500 BC, as such it would have been included within many of the artistic renderings of those tens of centuries of talented artistic and otherwise serious records of those ice age and prior times when humans had existed, and were otherwise good at depicting all that was important to their survival. Some other research placed the earliest depictions of a moon as late as 2000 BC, and for some odd reason in never became a god moon. Here's my two ballpark estimates of mascon/tidal warming that's roughly between 0.01% and 0.1% of the 2e20 J / 9.80665 = 2.0395e19 kgf. It could be a little greater, but it most certainly isn't anything much less than the 0.01% mark. 0.1% of the associated 2e20 Joules = 390 w/m2 (plus whatever secondary IR/FIR) 0.01% of the associated 2e20 Joules = 39 w/m2 (plus whatever secondary IR/FIR) Total change in greenhouse forcing from 1985 to 2004, we get 9.35 w/m2. http://www.worldclimatereport.com/in...under-the-sun/ Current Man-made Greenhouse Forcing to be 2.4 - 4.3 W/m2, Compared with 7.5 - 10 W/m2 Needed for Change of Seasons http://www.globalwarming.net/index.p...62&Itemi d=27 Of course the really big guns of G8 remain in total denial, other than having insisted it's all the fault of Muslims. There's lots of other data that's nicely compiled by wikipedia.org, such as the 11 year solar cycle that's worth +/- 0.05% or possibly at most +/- 0.1% of solar irradiance, which pretty much eliminates that source of being the problem. Whereas the global dimming via soot and particle factors may be the ultimate culprit that diminishes our global albedo to a sufficient extent that can be directly measured from space on a year by year basis, and best yet as measured from our moon's L1 or alternately via ACE that's halo parked in Earth's L1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming Therefore, on behalf of global warming, I'm giving humanity as little credit as having a 10% responsibility, and that nasty moon of ours gets the other 90% which only seems most likely, especially since the energy cycle of having made warm waters to sub-frozen ice and then ice back into warm water is so freaking horrific, especially if we're taking the km3 volumes of said ice and frozen tundra into account. At the very most I'd be giving humanity 25% responsibility for this ongoing global warming fiasco, although either way of being 25% or as little as 10% is still entirely worth our doing something about, such as cutting that artificial impact in half seems perfectly doable, and as such it's way more than beneficial in so many other positive ways, other than moderating our fair share of this never ending cycle of global warming via human pollution and arrogance. That is unless you're perfectly good with your next 'Happy Meal' being a McJellyfish sandwich, or perhaps biofuel via farmed jellyfish could actually work. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Dear Brad, I am overcome by the number of questions you are raising and hence the time necessary to reply in details to each of these. Further I have not as much time on my hand as previously as I am damned busy renovating the house... Anyway, if you care, I could send you copy of a paper I wrote sometimes back on the True Geology. Although it is incomplete, I am willing to send you copy of it and I am sure it will put you on the right track so a few questions you are asking yourself will be answered indeed.... then we will go further on the track so that you will have the proper understanding what the True Geology is about. If this agreeable to you, please send me an email confirming yours. One should realise on the one hand that the whole so-called .Science & whatever discipline is involved ( Geology, Archaeology, Physics, Economy, Medecine, Agriculture, History etc ) all is underlain by the religious beliefs of the present pre-eminent Semite JIC ( Judeo-Islamic-Christian) beliefs. The main aspect of it being that Deus-Ex-Machina response to any nagging problem. Personally I see no difference between the religious Creationists and the Big Bang Creationists Both are calling on a miracle of instantaneity to explain things while the reality is not so, and the creation as all can observe is continuous....and demonstrating such overwhelming intelligence that it is beyond words indeed. On the other hand we have all those Universities programmed so-called scientists spouting their big mouth forth and considering that they are the ultimate form of intelligence in the whole world. Nothing is even considered as possible unless they have given their agreement that effectively it is indeed. I have been often amused to listen to young children trying to rationalise the coming of toys at Xmas time, while there is no chimney conduct, nor even fire place at all.... any theory is considered as valid then , from the father Xmas having some special key, to slipping under the door .... etc Well the parallel with those brain-washed Universities formatted blokes with what they believe give them authority to debate of what is valid and not, is completely in line with the kindergarten kids 's reasoning mentioned above. Now why do the former quit their certitude and the latest do not ? Simply because an authority gave the kids the answer and because the latest are lost with all kind of authorities given them all types of answers, and obviously they pick and choose what is politically correct under a rule derived from consensus ... and this upon this process that they build their certitudes. My personal conviction is that only a few visionary ( or whatever you want to call them) are able to pave the path to awareness and that the mob of kids or scientists fall in step. Basically a so-called scientist is as childish as Father Xmas believing kid and the proof of this are all those infantile theories to which they cling during their entire lives and which are proven so derisive later ... WHICH OF PRESENT SCIENTIFIC THEORIES ARE GOING TO BE CONSIDERED DERISIVE TO LATER GENERATIONS ? I have a most informed answer regarding that question in relation to Geology : ALL OF THEM !!! With best regards jpturcaud
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GLOBAL WARMING
jpturcaud,
At this point I question the entire providence of Earth, including it's moon and even that of Venus as being different than we've been informed. I further question the providence of humanity and most other life that has become sequestered upon this unusually salty and wet planet that used to get itself extensively sub-frozen to death and subsequently thawed out on a fairly regular basis. We need to appreciate the matter of facts as to the ongoing amount of mascon orbital energy that's represented by holding onto our unusually massive and nearby moon, that's worth roughly 2e20 joules. In addition to the 2e20 J amount of what this orbital mascon is taking in order to associate itself with Earth, it seems that our physically dark and still somewhat salty moon has actually been offering itself as a fairly good IR reflector, plus that of an even better FIR emitter. It's also a rather pesky source of gamma and that of having unavoidably contributed amounts of secondary/recoil dosage in hard-X-rays. It's also most likely electrostatically charged to several teravolts in relationship to Earth. Because our physically dark and unavoidably hot and near vacuum of a moon has long since lost all of it's surface ice, and it's certainly otherwise representing pretty much all of whatever's geophysically nasty, plus having been nearly naked without atmosphere and without magnetosphere, as such it simply is not an end-user friendly orb of nearby mascon potential for accommodating the likes of our frail DNA. Excluding the IR/FIR aspects, if taking but 0.01% of 2e20 J and dividing that amount by the 5.112e14 m2 of Earth is what give us 39 J/m2 to work with. This could represent the slight amount of thermal energy getting transferred due to tidal friction of our mantle, oceans and a touch of atmospheric flow that's induced by having that nearby moon. Even taking as little as 0.001% is still worth 3.9 j/m2, which multiplied by the annual amount of 31.536e6 seconds makes that year's worth of mascon/tidal energy amount to 123e6 j/m2. Good thing mother Earth has been such a nifty energy absorber. However, too bad that humanity has so badly raped and polluted her environment as to lowering the albedo and clouding over her nighttime to such an extent that the solar influx that's now getting better absorbed due to the lower albedo can no longer manage to escape/radiate so easily away from her nighttime, and we still have those mascon plus IR/FIR contributions as derived from that nasty moon of ours to contend with, which wouldn't be so horrific if our magnetosphere wasn't failing us by roughly 0.05%/year. I'm not saying that Earth and of humanity and other life onboard this global warming sucker is doomed, but I am saying that we're certainly going to take a rather unpleasant sucker punch from time to time unless we focus upon the truth of what has been going down, by way of our taking intelligent steps in the right direction for keeping what little we have left from being squandered on future wars over the same as we've been fighting over since our emergence and/or arrival on this wet and icy orb. With applied technology, thus common sense and faith in the greater good of humanity, our species and even much (though not all) of other life can manage to survive on a planet that has little snow and ice to deal with. What we can't long-term survive is the ongoing rate of pillaging and raping mother Earth for all she's worth, nor that of perpetrating and having to survive wars upon wars over the remaining resources at our disposal. If it weren't for all of the technologically incompatible nuances of our corrupt politics and of their religious puppeteers of what's insuring bigotry, arrogance and greed that's in charge of the past, present and most likely future, there are perfectly renewable energy alternatives that have been doable, along with a good many efficiency improvements that'll significantly reduce the energy demand and subsequent pollution per human. Of course, this also means the rich might become somewhat fewer and a bit less rich, and the poor becoming fewer and somewhat less poor, along with an improved quality of the average life and that of having a somewhat longer lifespan. Whereas instead of and apparently regardless of the obvious consequences of having failed to see this light is perhaps why some of us simply can't allow any of that good stuff to happen without fist having a few of those all or nothing fights to our mutual demise. God forbid we should ever learn to appreciate the cosmic wonders of planetology, of geological and biological truths pertaining to our sequestered existence upon this rapidly thawing Earth of ours. Not to mention that it's too bad our DNA hasn't been evolving fast enough in order to become rad-hard. If it were not for the ongoing assholeism and naysayism of this perverted Usenet mindset, that which typically sucks and blows in order to muster and sustain their anti-think-tank in favor of ulterior motives and hidden agendas, whereas instead we'd have ourselves something of a good global Usenet to work with. Too bad that it's so corrupted and/or religiously perverted and otherwise so intent upon controlling the honest minds and souls of most others that only mean well, and that there's no intentions of ever policing itself regardless of the ongoing collateral damage and carnage of the innocent, including the ongoing pillaging and raping of mother Earth for all she's worth. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG
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