Pluto mission in danger?

I'm wondering how they are going to "steer" the probe around Pluto
without
smacking into one of these new moons?

Astronomers using NASA&acutes Hubble Space Telescope have confirmed the
presence of two new moons around the distant planet Pluto. The moons
were first discovered with Hubble&acutes Advanced Camera for Surveys in
May 2005, but the science team probed even deeper into the Pluto system
on Feb. 15, 2006 to look for additional satellites and to characterize
the orbits of the moons. In addition to verifying the reality of the
moons, the observations also rule out the possibility of other
satellites of roughly similar size orbiting Pluto inside the orbits of
the two moons. The moons, provisionally designated S/2005 P 1 and
S/2005 P 2, are approximately 40,000 and 30,000 miles away from Pluto,
respectively. In the Hubble image, Pluto is in the center and Charon is
just below it. P 1 is to the right and just below Charon. P 2 is to the
right of Pluto and Charon. Credit: NASA, ESA, H. Weaver (Johns Hopkins
University/Applied Physics Laboratory), A. Stern (Southwest Research
Institute) and the HST Pluto Companion Search Team
Anxiously awaited follow-up observations with NASA's Hubble Space
Telescope have confirmed the presence of two new moons around the
distant planet Pluto. The moons were first discovered by Hubble in May
2005, but the science team probed even deeper into the Pluto system
last week to look for additional satellites and to characterize the
orbits of the moons.

Though the team had little doubt the moons are real, they were happy to
see the moons show up very close to the locations predicted from the
earlier Hubble observations. The initial discovery is being reported
today in this week's edition of the British science journal Nature.

The confirmation reinforces the emerging view that the Kuiper Belt, a
swarm of icy bodies encircling the solar system beyond Neptune, may be
more complex and dynamic than astronomers once thought. Pluto resides
inside the Kuiper Belt and is about 3 billion miles from the Sun. Pluto
was discovered in 1930.

The moons' orbits are in the same plane as the orbit of the much larger
satellite Charon (discovered in 1978). This likely means the moons were
not captured, but instead were born, along with Charon, in what is
commonly theorized to have been a titanic collision between two
Pluto-sized objects over 4 billion years ago.

A team of astronomers, led by Hal Weaver of the Johns Hopkins Applied
Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Md., and Alan Stern of the Southwest
Research Institute in Boulder, Colo., made the new observations on Feb.
15, 2006, with Hubble's Advanced Camera for Surveys (ACS).

The team used the sharp vision of the ACS to do a targeted search of
the region around and inside the orbits of the twin moons. In addition
to confirming the reality of the new moons, the observations also rule
out the possibility of other satellites of roughly similar size
orbiting Pluto inside the orbits of the two moons. The moons,
provisionally designated S/2005 P 1 and S/2005 P 2, are approximately
40,000 and 30,000 miles away from Pluto, respectively.

Astronomers believe that the formation of the Pluto system is similar
to that of our Earth and Moon. In both cases a comparable-sized body
slammed into the parent planet. Simulations show that debris from the
collision would go into an orbit around the planet and coalesce to form
one or more satellites. Investigating how Pluto ended up with three
moons while the Earth has only one should yield valuable insights into
the processes by which satellite systems form around planets.

The team will use Hubble again on March 2 to study the new moons. They
hope the follow-up observations will provide information on the moons'
color, as well as their size and shape, which could yield further clues
about the formation and evolution of the Pluto system.

In the Hubble image, Pluto is in the center and Charon is just below
it. P 1 is to the right and just below Charon. P 2 is to the right of
Pluto and Charon.

Source: Space Telescope Science Institute




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The odds of an unintended intercept are incalculably small.

Rich wrote:
I'm wondering how they are going to "steer" the probe around Pluto
without
smacking into one of these new moons?

Astronomers using NASA&acutes Hubble Space Telescope have confirmed the
presence of two new moons around the distant planet Pluto. The moons
were first discovered with Hubble&acutes Advanced Camera for Surveys in
May 2005, but the science team probed even deeper into the Pluto system
on Feb. 15, 2006 to look for additional satellites and to characterize
the orbits of the moons. In addition to verifying the reality of the
moons, the observations also rule out the possibility of other
satellites of roughly similar size orbiting Pluto inside the orbits of
the two moons. The moons, provisionally designated S/2005 P 1 and
S/2005 P 2, are approximately 40,000 and 30,000 miles away from Pluto,
respectively. In the Hubble image, Pluto is in the center and Charon is
just below it. P 1 is to the right and just below Charon. P 2 is to the
right of Pluto and Charon. Credit: NASA, ESA, H. Weaver (Johns Hopkins
University/Applied Physics Laboratory), A. Stern (Southwest Research
Institute) and the HST Pluto Companion Search Team
Anxiously awaited follow-up observations with NASA's Hubble Space
Telescope have confirmed the presence of two new moons around the
distant planet Pluto. The moons were first discovered by Hubble in May
2005, but the science team probed even deeper into the Pluto system
last week to look for additional satellites and to characterize the
orbits of the moons.

Though the team had little doubt the moons are real, they were happy to
see the moons show up very close to the locations predicted from the
earlier Hubble observations. The initial discovery is being reported
today in this week's edition of the British science journal Nature.

The confirmation reinforces the emerging view that the Kuiper Belt, a
swarm of icy bodies encircling the solar system beyond Neptune, may be
more complex and dynamic than astronomers once thought. Pluto resides
inside the Kuiper Belt and is about 3 billion miles from the Sun. Pluto
was discovered in 1930.

The moons' orbits are in the same plane as the orbit of the much larger
satellite Charon (discovered in 1978). This likely means the moons were
not captured, but instead were born, along with Charon, in what is
commonly theorized to have been a titanic collision between two
Pluto-sized objects over 4 billion years ago.

A team of astronomers, led by Hal Weaver of the Johns Hopkins Applied
Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Md., and Alan Stern of the Southwest
Research Institute in Boulder, Colo., made the new observations on Feb.
15, 2006, with Hubble's Advanced Camera for Surveys (ACS).

The team used the sharp vision of the ACS to do a targeted search of
the region around and inside the orbits of the twin moons. In addition
to confirming the reality of the new moons, the observations also rule
out the possibility of other satellites of roughly similar size
orbiting Pluto inside the orbits of the two moons. The moons,
provisionally designated S/2005 P 1 and S/2005 P 2, are approximately
40,000 and 30,000 miles away from Pluto, respectively.

Astronomers believe that the formation of the Pluto system is similar
to that of our Earth and Moon. In both cases a comparable-sized body
slammed into the parent planet. Simulations show that debris from the
collision would go into an orbit around the planet and coalesce to form
one or more satellites. Investigating how Pluto ended up with three
moons while the Earth has only one should yield valuable insights into
the processes by which satellite systems form around planets.

The team will use Hubble again on March 2 to study the new moons. They
hope the follow-up observations will provide information on the moons'
color, as well as their size and shape, which could yield further clues
about the formation and evolution of the Pluto system.

In the Hubble image, Pluto is in the center and Charon is just below
it. P 1 is to the right and just below Charon. P 2 is to the right of
Pluto and Charon.

Source: Space Telescope Science Institute




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Phil Wheeler wrote:
The odds of an unintended intercept are incalculably small.

The odds small, but quite calculable. There are lots of spaces to the
right of the decimal.

Shawn

Shawn wrote:
Phil Wheeler wrote:

The odds of an unintended intercept are incalculably small.


The odds small, but quite calculable. There are lots of spaces to the
right of the decimal.

Shawn


Spaces? You mean, perhaps, zeros.

In reality, likely not calculable .. unless much is known about these
Plutonion moons ito orbit, size, etc.

Phil

Phil Wheeler wrote:
In reality, likely not calculable .. unless much is known about these
Plutonion moons ito orbit, size, etc.

They do know their orbits, and assuming that their composition is not
too unlike that of Charon, their sizes are also known.

However, they are unlikely to make much of a difference. They are
almost certainly much much smaller than Charon, so the probability of a
collision with Charon is a good estimate for the probability of a
collision with any of the satellites. I don't think the discoveries of
these other two have affected the mission very significantly at all.

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Brian Tung wrote:
Phil Wheeler wrote:

In reality, likely not calculable .. unless much is known about these
Plutonion moons ito orbit, size, etc.


They do know their orbits, and assuming that their composition is not
too unlike that of Charon, their sizes are also known.

However, they are unlikely to make much of a difference. They are
almost certainly much much smaller than Charon, so the probability of a
collision with Charon is a good estimate for the probability of a
collision with any of the satellites. I don't think the discoveries of
these other two have affected the mission very significantly at all.



I agree.

JRS: In article , dated Thu, 23 Feb 2006
08:58:52 remote, seen in news:sci.astro.amateur, Brian Tung
posted :
Phil Wheeler wrote:
In reality, likely not calculable .. unless much is known about these
Plutonion moons ito orbit, size, etc.

They do know their orbits, and assuming that their composition is not
too unlike that of Charon, their sizes are also known.

However, they are unlikely to make much of a difference. They are
almost certainly much much smaller than Charon, so the probability of a
collision with Charon is a good estimate for the probability of a
collision with any of the satellites. I don't think the discoveries of
these other two have affected the mission very significantly at all.

Unless the probe propulsion/control fails, the probability of hitting a
presently-known moon, or any discovered before, say, mid-2014, is zero.

The probability of hitting an undiscovered one is somewhat greater.

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On 22 Feb 2006 15:11:17 -0800, "Rich" wrote:

I'm wondering how they are going to "steer" the probe around Pluto
without
smacking into one of these new moons?

You're kidding, right? Do you have any idea just how difficult it is to
hit _anything_ in space? The challenge is getting to a body, not missing
it!

_________________________________________________

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Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com

"Rich" wrote in message
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I'm wondering how they are going to "steer" the probe around Pluto
without
smacking into one of these new moons?



Get off drugs you ****ing idiot!

"Rich" wrote in news:1140649877.062302.253400
@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

I'm wondering how they are going to "steer" the probe around Pluto
without
smacking into one of these new moons?

Don't be stupid. It would be much harder to steer the probe to hit them than
otherwise.

Klazmon.

SNIP