A beginning?

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But each singularity, contained in a black hole itself may contain a
new universe in the making!
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Don't waste time thinking about singularities.
Singularities and black holes simply don't exist at all.
Only huge super massive objects like gravastars.
Universe doesn't allow breaking physic laws...
So you have to accept a very simple universe behaviour as infinite
expansion
and, if you want, final death.

Reality will not allow total non-existence of everything eternally.

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But each singularity, contained in a black hole itself may contain a
new universe in the making!
snip

Don't waste time thinking about singularities.
Singularities and black holes simply don't exist at all.
Only huge super massive objects like gravastars.
Universe doesn't allow breaking physic laws...
So you have to accept a very simple universe behaviour as infinite
expansion
and, if you want, final death.

Reality will not allow total non-existence of everything eternally.

Ok, call the destiny fate only infinite expansion...

Luigi Caselli

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But each singularity, contained in a black hole itself may contain a
new universe in the making!
snip

Don't waste time thinking about singularities.
Singularities and black holes simply don't exist at all.
Only huge super massive objects like gravastars.
Universe doesn't allow breaking physic laws...
So you have to accept a very simple universe behaviour as infinite
expansion
and, if you want, final death.

Reality will not allow total non-existence of everything eternally.

Ok, call the destiny fate only infinite expansion...

Luigi Caselli

I call it the universe dissipating, like a puff of smoke.
AKA nonexistence forever.

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But each singularity, contained in a black hole itself may contain a
new universe in the making!
snip

Don't waste time thinking about singularities.
Singularities and black holes simply don't exist at all.
Only huge super massive objects like gravastars.
Universe doesn't allow breaking physic laws...
So you have to accept a very simple universe behaviour as infinite
expansion
and, if you want, final death.

Reality will not allow total non-existence of everything eternally.

Ok, call the destiny fate only infinite expansion...

Luigi Caselli

I call it the universe dissipating, like a puff of smoke.
AKA nonexistence forever.


Hmmm! I wonder if when matter gets to a low enough temperature and
energy level it just all dissolves back into the great sea of virtual
particles?

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But each singularity, contained in a black hole itself may contain
a
new universe in the making!
snip

Don't waste time thinking about singularities.
Singularities and black holes simply don't exist at all.
Only huge super massive objects like gravastars.
Universe doesn't allow breaking physic laws...
So you have to accept a very simple universe behaviour as infinite
expansion
and, if you want, final death.

Reality will not allow total non-existence of everything eternally.

Ok, call the destiny fate only infinite expansion...

Luigi Caselli

I call it the universe dissipating, like a puff of smoke.
AKA nonexistence forever.


Hmmm! I wonder if when matter gets to a low enough temperature and
energy level it just all dissolves back into the great sea of virtual
particles?

Yes, but that would not be infinite expansion.
Everything seems to be receding from everything else.

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But each singularity, contained in a black hole itself may contain a
new universe in the making!
snip

Don't waste time thinking about singularities.
Singularities and black holes simply don't exist at all.
Only huge super massive objects like gravastars.
Universe doesn't allow breaking physic laws...
So you have to accept a very simple universe behaviour as infinite
expansion
and, if you want, final death.

Reality will not allow total non-existence of everything eternally.

Ok, call the destiny fate only infinite expansion...

Luigi Caselli

I call it the universe dissipating, like a puff of smoke.
AKA nonexistence forever.



We don't have a comprehensive (ie. exact) understanding of all the
physical laws in the universe, and the ones we currently know, may not
be as watertight, as some think they are.
I'm no scientist - but it stands to reason, we know only 21st century physics,
whereas those zipping around the cosmos may be of the 23rd? 24th? and above?

Nothing is impossible.

Harvey

Your Name Here=Harvey wrote:


We don't have a comprehensive (ie. exact) understanding of all the
physical laws in the universe, and the ones we currently know, may not
be as watertight, as some think they are.
I'm no scientist - but it stands to reason, we know only 21st century physics,
whereas those zipping around the cosmos may be of the 23rd? 24th? and above?

Nothing is impossible.

Harvey



No one is "zipping around the cosmos" or they would have visited here.
Their absence is consistent with the conclusion that the speed of light
is a limit to all creatures. Since surely at least ONE of the billions
of highly advanced races in the universe would feel benevolence for
other creatures and would want to spread enlightenment and justice
everywhere. Scientists have been observing low-energy and very
high-energy interactions for decades now, and there is no hint of
anything that is not consistent with our current understanding of
physics. We have in fact reached a good general understanding of all
the physics that will ever do us any good. There is high-energy physics
that is not understood, but it is not faster-than-light, and it does not
violate conservation of mass/energy, or conservation of momentum, and it
never will.

One of the most inane things I ever hear is "nothing is impossible".
LOTS of things are impossible. A good, omnipotent, and omniscient being
is impossible because it contradicts the existence of evil. It is not
possible for "you" to split into 2 equal halves of eqaul mass and then
walk away in opposite directions. To say that anything is possible is
to say absolutely that there are NO physical laws. That's hogwash.
Grow up.


--
Philosophy is a stage in intellectual development, and is not compatible
with mental maturity. -- Bertrand Russell

Philosophy, as opposed to science, springs from a kind of
self-assertion: a belief that our purposes have an important relation to
the purposes of the universe, and that, in the long run, the course of
events is bound to be, on the whole, such as we should wish. -- Bertrand
Russell

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions,
a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a
personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly.
If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the
unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our
science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein in Albert Einstein: The Human
Side , edited by Helen Dukas (Einstein's secretary) and Banesh Hoffman,
and published by Princeton University Press.

"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my
contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the
spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should
be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality,
deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how
despiceable an ignoreable war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than
be a part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under
the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." [Albert Einstein]

"I am the entire human race compacted together. I have found that there
is no ingredient of the race which I do not possess in either a small
way or a large way." -- Mark Twain

"If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there
can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as
God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument. It is
exactly of the same nature as the Indian's view, that the world rested
upon an elephant and the elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when they
said, 'How about the tortoise?' the Indian said, 'Suppose we change the
subject.' The argument is really no better than that." -- Russell

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public." -- Theodore Roosevelt

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Your Name Here=Harvey wrote:


We don't have a comprehensive (ie. exact) understanding of all the
physical laws in the universe, and the ones we currently know, may not
be as watertight, as some think they are.
I'm no scientist - but it stands to reason, we know only 21st century
physics, whereas those zipping around the cosmos may be of the 23rd?
24th? and above?

Nothing is impossible.

Harvey



No one is "zipping around the cosmos" or they would have visited here.
Their absence is consistent with the conclusion that the speed of light is
a limit to all creatures. Since surely at least ONE of the billions of
highly advanced races in the universe would feel benevolence for other
creatures and would want to spread enlightenment and justice everywhere.

Remember on Star Trek, when the humans visited the aliens, they often
disguised themselves as aliens, so as not to interfere with the Prime
Directive.

Maybe aliens are here, and are disguised until we advance to their level.

In article n45if.5649$6e5.3876@trnddc09, says...

Your Name Here=Harvey wrote:


We don't have a comprehensive (ie. exact) understanding of all the
physical laws in the universe, and the ones we currently know, may not
be as watertight, as some think they are.
I'm no scientist - but it stands to reason, we know only 21st century
physics,
whereas those zipping around the cosmos may be of the 23rd? 24th? and
above?

Nothing is impossible.

Harvey



No one is "zipping around the cosmos" or they would have visited here.
Their absence is consistent with the conclusion that the speed of light
is a limit to all creatures. Since surely at least ONE of the billions
of highly advanced races in the universe would feel benevolence for
other creatures and would want to spread enlightenment and justice
everywhere.

Billions would be an overexaggeration - don't you think? Or maybe you
don't think at all, considering you've put that number forward...

There are signs - obvious ones at that, that such creatures have been
here - but - of course, you don't see the signs and marks they have left
behind here. Read the Bible, what passes for the manifestation of God, read -
UFO sighting. The Book of Ezekiel.
And UFOs have featured in our ancient history, past and recent history,
and even today (although not all authentic UFOs are extraterrestrial -
some are terrestrial).
You seemed to have ignored all UFO sightings, even ones
photographed/videotaped. To catch up, why not read the 1956 book,
The Case for the UFO by M K Jessup, which is still interesting reading today.

Scientists have been observing low-energy and very
high-energy interactions for decades now, and there is no hint of
anything that is not consistent with our current understanding of
physics. We have in fact reached a good general understanding of all
the physics that will ever do us any good. There is high-energy physics
that is not understood, but it is not faster-than-light, and it does not
violate conservation of mass/energy, or conservation of momentum, and it
never will.


Yeah, well you haven't acknowledged the possibility of travelling through
wormholes as such.
The beamships of the Plejarens (Billy Meier) are explained, and how they
get around the faster than light problem. They go into another universe
for their great distance travelling, but cannot do this close to planets.
So their ships are capable of two modes of function.

One of the most inane things I ever hear is "nothing is impossible".
LOTS of things are impossible. A good, omnipotent, and omniscient being
is impossible because it contradicts the existence of evil. It is not
possible for "you" to split into 2 equal halves of eqaul mass and then
walk away in opposite directions. To say that anything is possible is
to say absolutely that there are NO physical laws. That's hogwash.
Grow up.

You take the viewpoint that we have a complete understanding of
science/physics/etc - compared to older more advanced civilisations -
we have a great deal yet to learn. To think we don't - is complete hogwash.

Anyone who's on the forefront of their field, has to take the view that
nothing is impossible - because with that view, you have an open mind to
dream up anything, without limits - and with the seed of a good idea,
the human imagination can be used, to make the impossible possible.
Call it reverse engineering, with using only theory, then trying to bring
the theory into this reality.
Scientists of course, do use their imagination. Imagine what it is like to
ride on a beam of light. Einstein did imagine that, which held his interest.

Harvey



--
Philosophy is a stage in intellectual development, and is not compatible
with mental maturity. -- Bertrand Russell

Philosophy, as opposed to science, springs from a kind of
self-assertion: a belief that our purposes have an important relation to
the purposes of the universe, and that, in the long run, the course of
events is bound to be, on the whole, such as we should wish. -- Bertrand
Russell

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions,
a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a
personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly.
If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the
unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our
science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein in Albert Einstein: The Human
Side , edited by Helen Dukas (Einstein's secretary) and Banesh Hoffman,
and published by Princeton University Press.

"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my
contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the
spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should
be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality,
deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how
despiceable an ignoreable war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than
be a part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under
the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." [Albert Einstein]

"I am the entire human race compacted together. I have found that there
is no ingredient of the race which I do not possess in either a small
way or a large way." -- Mark Twain

"If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there
can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as
God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument. It is
exactly of the same nature as the Indian's view, that the world rested
upon an elephant and the elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when they
said, 'How about the tortoise?' the Indian said, 'Suppose we change the
subject.' The argument is really no better than that." -- Russell

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public." -- Theodore Roosevelt