Space travel hazzard

¶Astronauts have lost as much as 60% of muscle and bone mass by extended
stays in space even with exercise. So what would happen if you just let the
body totally adjust to space for several years? No doubt that you could
never return to gravity, but so what. Living in spaced for life is not so
bad. I just wonder what one would finally look like if allowed to totally
adapt naturally to space. There must be some point at which one would
stableize to another form. Perhaps like an octopus with no bones at all, it
would allow for brain growth again. §

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Nog wrote:

=B6Astronauts have lost as much as 60% of muscle and bone mass by extende=
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stays in space even with exercise. So what would happen if you just let t=
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body totally adjust to space for several years? No doubt that you could
never return to gravity, but so what. Living in spaced for life is not so
bad. I just wonder what one would finally look like if allowed to totally
adapt naturally to space. There must be some point at which one would
stableize to another form. Perhaps like an octopus with no bones at all, =
it
would allow for brain growth again. =A7

Have you made NASA proposal for your pet mice to be permanently housed at
ISS? Your theory also needs to take into account succeeding generations.

Within the past 4+ decades, it seems they haven't even established
hard-science worth of proof-positive about the likes of raw H2O/ice or
that of CO2/ice as having to survive in space.

What makes you think the ISS team is ever going to allow other truths
about life in space to become known?

They still do not offer an external UV spectrum sensitive (0.0003 lux)
CCD camera that's capable of looking at anything that's passing by or
headed to/from Earth.

Besides the ongoing grand hoax of a perpetrated cold-war ruse/sting of
the century, there's so much more having been uncovered about our moon
and especially that of Venus.

Obviously their MI5/NSA(MI6) GOOGLE damage control post effort of those
pathetic "moon maps" that aren't even accommodating 10% the available
raw resolution of our own archived Apollo photographic evidence as
having been obtained at least robotically from orbiting the moon, thus
it isn't working any better off than were those stealth/invisible WMD
as for justifying the ongoing collateral damage and carnage of the
innocent.

If you're even allowed to be thinking ET positive, as in freely
thinking the least bit outside of the mainstream borg status quo box;
as such you might check out and contribute into either of the following
topics, or start up another topic as extracted from my new and improved
topic list gv-topics.htm.

The ET UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac of Venus
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...956800773f237e

ET Interstellar UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac of Venus
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...af596c9c6ec2c7

What Social Culture, other than the USofA LLPOF Culture
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...89a56d842bac41
~

Life upon Venus offers energy to burn within a Township, Bridge and
ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The ESA Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator) as situated
within ME-L1/EM-L2
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, Earthly ETs plus another updated topic list; Brad Guth /
GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

The intentions of this continuing rant is besides if not in spite of
our NOT having walked upon the moon;
There has nearly always been other significant life that's perfectly
capable of their having been situated upon Venus (at least on behalf of
accommodating ETs), and otherwise of that little issue about our moon
that's actually perfectly good for so many things once the LSE-CM/ISS
is up and running and of sufficient robotics having been efficiently
and safely deployed, as for those items functioning on behalf of
science, clean energy and for the very salvation of humanity. Unlike
what we've been told over and over by all of those folks supposedly
having 'the right stuff', there's nothing the least bit insignificant
nor without good if not of essential cause and rewards pertaining to
our moon, and unlike those opposing absolutely anything and everything
that represents change, I simply can't hardly think of anything but
positive thoughts about our moon as well as for Venus as being yet
another perfectly good thing for the greater salvation of Earth and
advancement of humanity. How can anything pertaining to our moon or
that of Venus become such a taboo/nondisclosure negative that which
such topic/authors deserve getting stalked, bashed and/or banished?

Nog wrote:

¶Astronauts have lost as much as 60% of muscle and bone mass by extended
stays in space even with exercise. So what would happen if you just let the
body totally adjust to space for several years? No doubt that you could
never return to gravity, but so what. Living in spaced for life is not so
bad. I just wonder what one would finally look like if allowed to totally
adapt naturally to space. There must be some point at which one would
stableize to another form. Perhaps like an octopus with no bones at all, it
would allow for brain growth again. §


I don't know about you, but I'd like to remain capable of tolerating
accelerations, in order to *get* somewhere 'in space' in a reasonable
time (there's no reason to think that a total microgravity adaptation
will, by itself, increase my life span, or patience), and walk on the
surfaces of signifigant bodies (including, say, Earth's moon), or visit
rotating colony/station when I arrive....




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4. Joann Evans (Space travel hazzard),
Once past the local E/M-L2 mutual gravity-well or nullification zone,
there really isn't all that much gravity influencing the continual
acceleration upon a bone-less body. Once past the grand nullification
zone that's situated between us and Sirius is where the real speed can
be obtained, up to perhaps 10%'c' seems doable, or at least until you
run yourself into a speck of sand or just overheat from the ISM
friction of Vt/slug factor of perhaps as great as 1e9 atoms/m3 or even
as little as 1e6 atoms/m3 is somewhat testy if having to displace your
large craft and yourself within through that nasty muck at 3e6 m/s
without becoming a comet that's losing it's cool.

Perhaps evolving into having an exoskeletal body is best for such space
travels.
~

Life upon Venus offers energy to burn within a Township, Bridge and
ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The ESA Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator) as situated
within ME-L1/EM-L2
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, Earthly ETs plus another updated topic list; Brad Guth /
GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

BTW; I've realized that other life must have been possible upon Venus,
at least as of nearly 6 years ago when I'd first interpreted upon one
of many radar images upon what looks quite community like, although
there's also somewhat other interesting natural aspects of such images
that doesn't quite jive with the purely hot and nasty sort of world as
having been painted by our MI5/NSA~NASA rusemasters.

Brad Guth wrote:

4. Joann Evans (Space travel hazzard),
Once past the local E/M-L2 mutual gravity-well or nullification zone,
there really isn't all that much gravity influencing the continual
acceleration upon a bone-less body. Once past the grand nullification
zone that's situated between us and Sirius

Huh?

is where the real speed can
be obtained, up to perhaps 10%'c' seems doable, or at least until you
run yourself into a speck of sand or just overheat from the ISM
friction of Vt/slug factor of perhaps as great as 1e9 atoms/m3 or even
as little as 1e6 atoms/m3 is somewhat testy if having to displace your
large craft and yourself within through that nasty muck at 3e6 m/s
without becoming a comet that's losing it's cool.

Perhaps evolving into having an exoskeletal body is best for such space
travels.
~


How does that change the fact that I want to be able to ride
something powered by a high thrust engine, without wondering if what's
left of my *endo*skeleton will collapse?

Remember, I said 'get somewhere in space in a reasonable time.' This
means high thrust orbit departure, and insertion at the far end. And if
I'm around when we get fusion and/or antimatter nuclear thermal rockets,
there may be respectable acceleration/deceleration over most, or all of
the trip, too. Preferably at 1 Earth gee, but to someone that's totally
microgravity adapted [whatever that may mean], even .1 gee may be too
much. I don't want to be that someone.

(Okay, now that I think about it, you *could* keep that someone in a
water tank at signifigant acceleration times, but still...)

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Joann Evans wrote:

Perhaps evolving into having an exoskeletal body is best for such space
travels.
~




How does that change the fact that I want to be able to ride
something powered by a high thrust engine, without wondering if what's
left of my *endo*skeleton will collapse?



Hey, that exoskeleton body idea worked for The Shadows and Tholians.
Maybe it's time to introduce the dread bane of the Venusian
Firewomen...the Callistian Cootie Men! :-)

Pat

Joann Evans,
Sorry, my fault. I'd thought you already knew about the LSE-CM/ISS, the
lunar space elevator as outfitted with a rather sizable ISS abode at
roughly 62,000 km off the lunar deck (perhaps +/- a few thousand km)
depending upon how the tethers are being tensioned along with the
deployed dipole element and the CCM aspects as interactively keeping
the CM/ISS and gravity-well situation within the relative safety and
energy efficiency of the EM-L2/ME-L1 sweet-spot.

(E)------------EM-L2 = 322,000 km------------CM/ISS---ME-L1 =
62,000 km---(M)

Besides, I do believe the task of going somewhere very fast has little
to do with the initial rate of your being accelerated, that is unless
you're talking about riding off into the sunset upon a stack of SBRs
with the intent of accomplishing an overnight stay or pit-stop upon the
earthshine illuminated moon. Usually there's weeks if not months
involved with going just about anywhere other than our moon. Using our
moon as a nearby gravity booster-shot, by way of zipping yourself
extremely close (say within a km might be worth doing as long as you
don't mind sweating a few bullets if not depositing a few fudgies in
your pants as this method of close encounter transpires), as obviously
that's going to be passing near enough to kick up some of that clumping
moon-dirt in order to best manage sending your sorry and soon to be TBI
butt on it's way to being summarily pulverised by as little as a small
pebble, that which your mutual closing velocity of 100+km/s should
prove just as interesting for encountering that 2 gram item worth of a
somewhat lethal 10 MJ impact. That is unless you've outfitted your
craft with a few extra tonnes/m2 worth of basalt composite prior to
leaving the CM/ISS abode and essentially zero-G space depot in the sky.

Actually, the big water tank notion isn't just offering a good
acceleration solution but, also for surviving those avoidance maneuvers
at high velocity (you'd think imperative as for avoiding the kg+ forms
of space debris) and, as well for continually fending off the cosmic
and secondary/recoil TBI dosage that's trying to shred your DNA. Say
using a 10,000 gallon water tank per soul might do the trick, though a
frozen solid form of 1,000 gallons might be nearly as good (should
conserve on food and O2 as well). Thus having a good and well protected
stash of banked bone marrow might not be all that essential, and
perhaps not requiring nearly as much hole plugging puddy and good old
ductape either.

Although; if you're packed inside of ice, I wonder what happens when
you fart inside of such an ice cube?
~

Walking upon our moon is still a real stretch that apparently comes
without the possibility of Venus nor Sirius as easily and unavoidably
imaged from the perspective of a nearly coal like dusty darkness and
reactive lunar surface, not to mention there being a lack of any
R&D/prototype fly-by-rocket lander in addition to the highly
unreasonable lack of the unavoidable secondary/recoil photons of
near-blue and absolutely zilch worth of near-UV recorded photons via
unfiltered Kodak moments, as such there's a wee bit of an
insurmountable problem that's proving squat on behalf of those Apollo
missions. However, there's been other life upon Venus as having
absolute loads of vertical as well as geothermal energy to burn, even
though as such will not actually burn within such an O2 starved
environment as having been hosting a perfectly rational township of a
fairly substantial community that includes a bridge and a few of your
standard rigid airships plus accommodating that nifty UFO Park-n-Ride
Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The ESA Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator) as situated
within the ME-L1/EM-L2 zone
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, Earthly ETs plus a few other somewhat testy topics by; Brad
Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Nog wrote:
¶Astronauts have lost as much as 60% of muscle and bone mass by extended
stays in space even with exercise. So what would happen if you just let the
body totally adjust to space for several years? No doubt that you could
never return to gravity, but so what.

There are other bad things that happen to a body in zero G besides bone
loss.

Living in spaced for life is not so
bad. I just wonder what one would finally look like if allowed to totally
adapt naturally to space. There must be some point at which one would
stableize to another form. Perhaps like an octopus with no bones at all, it
would allow for brain growth again. §

And, with no rib cage, it would allow for bigger lungs & heart.



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Nog wrote:
¶Astronauts have lost as much as 60% of muscle and bone mass by extended
stays in space even with exercise. So what would happen if you just let
the
body totally adjust to space for several years? No doubt that you could
never return to gravity, but so what.

There are other bad things that happen to a body in zero G besides bone
loss.

Living in spaced for life is not so
bad. I just wonder what one would finally look like if allowed to totally
adapt naturally to space. There must be some point at which one would
stableize to another form. Perhaps like an octopus with no bones at all,
it
would allow for brain growth again. §

And, with no rib cage, it would allow for bigger lungs & heart.



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Hop David
http://clowder.net/hop/index.html


Maybe we can have our bones coated with titanium so that when the bones
dissolve we would have a titanium tubing skeleton.